Victory in Britain!! Prime Minister says multiculturalism has failed

Originally posted by andrewh7

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact
no I am basically saying that by my countries standards, (and that is since your locations on the globe is not advertised) that some fit in with the racist, paranoid liberal left by their own political ideology.

here too (being I do not know which county you reside) they always think the government is out to get them... goes hand in hand with the conspiracy thing ya know...

edit on 2/6/2011 by Cosmic.Artifact because: (no reason given)

I think you're getting your terminology messed up. Liberals are supposed to be seeking greater government intervention. So, you saying that liberals are paranoid about big government is an obvious oxymoron. I think it's hilarious that neocons first complain that college campuses are packed to the brim with liberals and in the same breath state that liberals are less intelligent and sophisticated. So, which is it? Are schools dominated by liberals or are they lacking in liberals? Make up your biased mind.

In the US, it's the right-wing republicans and the Tea Party that are terrified of government. It's the same people who are carrying racist posters to DC rallies.

By the way, the modern civil right movement was begun with legislation by Kennedy and Johnson - Democrats. It was the South that was stopping Blacks from voting by imposing poll taxes and grandfather clauses. It was in the South that civil rights workers were chased down and beaten to death. I recommend you read a history book before debating politics.

there are no lines... only that which the liberal wish to draw, in my country they are radical racists.

Originally posted by andrewh7
I think you're getting your terminology messed up. Liberals are supposed to be seeking greater government intervention. So, you saying that liberals are paranoid about big government is an obvious oxymoron. I think it's hilarious that neocons first complain that college campuses are packed to the brim with liberals and in the same breath state that liberals are less intelligent and sophisticated. So, which is it? Are schools dominated by liberals or are they lacking in liberals? Make up your biased mind.

see that is another aspect of the liberal left (in my country of course)

personally I am an individual, I am a true non conformist...

I am a liberal on some issues, I am a conservative on some issues, I am a democrat on some issues and I am a republican on some issues.

is there something wrong with that via your personal dictatorial and wishing to draw lines ideology ?

I also believe in a higher power, this higher power I call God...

is there something wrong with my open-mindedness ?

It's a shame I always come across these threads so late - I have so much to say and share on the subject...

This declaration of Cameron's is a Trojan Horse I'm afraid. When he talks about "groups that fail to promote British values" he is not just talking about Islam, he's talking about patriotic groups, truthers, Euro-sceptics and civil disobedients - people who are fighting the fraudulent tax system, and standing up for our fast-fading liberties.

Yes, he is addressing militant Islam, but he's also addressing anyone who refuses to adhere to the government's vision of Britain, who wants out of the EU and who, basically, thinks that David Cameron is a despicable tyrant. He's clamping down on the entire spectrum of social expression and that clamp bears down from two sides - on one side it will (rightly) inhibit the expression of immigrants who act like colonisers, but on the other it will inhibit native and foreign born people who are fighting for truth, transparency and liberty like their forefathers knew.

This speech fills me with foreboding I'm afraid... and I dislike the Islamic religion, by the way - I should be elated (Cameron would like me to be) - Go figure!

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact

see the only ones left around in England after the Revolutionary war were aristocracy and some few poor souls who could not make it across the pond until the latter years like Ellis Island era... All the real Brits jumped ship long ago and established a new union and bastion of freedom for the core values of our western way of life, we call them our early settlers. Britain has long time now been just a liberal mecca, they have become so PC that their very civilization is at risk and also part of our american and western history.

Do you not mean the English civil war. If so Cromwell was in office for a while and many aristocrats fled to france until then the aristocracy was reinstated.

Actually a lot of british culture is about the establishment which includes the monarchy. I think that the monarchy works in its own way. America is a nation that has an elite that functions as a monarchy!

Look the American settlers were a tiny minority. I just find your article deeply offensive. I am also an American citizen. The British way of tolerance, tact and diplomacy trump your abrasive gun toting ignorance.

Q. Why did people enthusiastically sign up for the Vietnam war?
A. Because they thought they might loose Hawai'i as Vietnam was near to it!

Most Americans do not travel and therefore have no clue as to what it takes to be up close and personal with other nations.

plato.stanford.edu...

Multiculturalism is a body of thought in political philosophy about the proper way to respond to cultural and religious diversity. Mere toleration of group differences is said to fall short of treating members of minority groups as equal citizens; recognition and positive accommodation of group differences are required through “group-differentiated rights,” a term coined by Will Kymlicka (1995). Some group-differentiated rights are held by individual members of minority groups, as in the case of individuals who are granted exemptions from generally applicable laws in virtue of their religious beliefs or individuals who seek language accommodations in schools or in voting. Other group-differentiated rights are held by the group qua group rather by its members severally; such rights are properly called group rights, as in the case of indigenous groups and minority nations, who claim the right of self-determination.

Britain is a wonderful place and has firm tradions and a culture that everyone can participate. Multiculturalism has not diminished anything. There have been some glitches but it has been successful. Some people would abuse anything.

Originally posted by Pr0t0

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

I'd say somebody needs to remind the Prime Minister that the 7/7
London Bombings were an inside job.

oh no ! say it isn't so...

why is everything an inside job ?

what if it wasn't... just for a second view both sides

in open-mindedness lay the truth.

Then why did they murder Jean Charles De Menezes?

I don't know... ask "they"

reply to post by tiger5

bravo, a question and the answer... thanks

I think you been hanging out on conspiracy sites too long, I have no idea the glossolalia of your tongues...

I am new to conspiracies and stuff

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Pr0t0

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

I'd say somebody needs to remind the Prime Minister that the 7/7
London Bombings were an inside job.

oh no ! say it isn't so...

why is everything an inside job ?

what if it wasn't... just for a second view both sides

in open-mindedness lay the truth.

Then why did they murder Jean Charles De Menezes?

I don't know... ask "they"

again who is "they" some kind of boogie-man or something ?

Don't act so naive. In this case 'they' would be whomever escorted the Met Police into Stockwell station - remember, eyewitnesses claimed 'plain clothes' police shot first.

Using phrases such as 'the boogeyman' proves you're only interested in discrediting what I've said without any rational arguement. You can't hide from the truth, and you can't bury it with your fantasy-land distractions.

Originally posted by Pr0t0
Don't act so naive. In this case 'they' would be whomever escorted the Met Police into Stockwell station - remember, eyewitnesses claimed 'plain clothes' police shot first.

Using phrases such as 'the boogeyman' proves you're only interested in discrediting what I've said without any rational arguement. You can't hide from the truth, and you can't bury it with your fantasy-land distractions.

I am sorry, I don't live in your country... I have no idea who or what particular "they" you are talking about.

ask someone else I guess, I am not big on conspiracy...

this thread has been spammed into the floor...if you don't live in the UK, and therefore have zero clue as to what this actually means, do not reply to this thread.

ed: and yes some of us do know 7/7 was 'done' by mi6 but try and prove it its a different story.


ed2: and I don't mean prove it to you, I mean prove it to your friends and family, voters, mans in town. thats where the issue breaks down and fails. but this isn't about 7/7, this is about extremist muslims in particular amongst others.

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

I am sorry, I don't live in your country... I have no idea who or what particular "they" you are talking about.

ask someone else I guess, I am not big on conspiracy... I dwell in the theology and metaphysics section really.

Confused.

What are you here for? To discredit people without any knowledge of the events? Please, go dwell in your theology and metaphysics unless you have something more purposeful than "who is 'they' - the boogeyman?" to add.

Not trying to be rude, but you won't catch me in your metaphysical threads discrediting your throries with 'unicorns and fairies and pixies and goblins' just to be diversionary. So please don't treat these posts in that manner.

reply to post by TheLaughingGod


Did I get you right, do you mean, that TPTB shipped the Muslims here so that a clash of civilizations would occur, that would finally allow them to errect their New World Order out of the chaos that they created themselves?

This indeed could be possible, when I look abroad to Mubarak, who at first called his police back and then let the criminals loose to cause chaos in the streets of Cairo.

But if it was the case as you described it, TheLaughingGod, shouldn't we then find a way to foil their plans?

For example by installing a relationship between indigenous westerners and immigrants, that is built on mutual respect and tolerance?

Of course we don't have to accept everything brought to us by immigrants; as I wrote earlier in this thread:

No doubt, those extreme islamists, that would kill people for religious reasons, carry the Nazi-spirit inside, but those who tend to believe, all muslims are evil, are just those extreme islamistic Nazis' brothers in mind...

That's the devil's most favourite game: Divide and conquer...


Soon, we should find a way to make friends with, because if we fail, we soon will be bitter enemys, and finally we'll lose all, except those in the shadows, that will feed upon our remains....

'they' refers to the rockerfella foundation and pretty much every world leader everywhere since the last 200 years. that is who they is. now stop spamming your useless crap and stay on topic.

Originally posted by spikey
You think?
This isn't about limiting peaceful rights, this is about making it clear to people, in no uncertain terms, that they do not have, nor ever had the 'right' to call for violent opposition to the people of Great Britain and it's government and representatives.

I thought every citizen had that right = freedom of speech?
They themselves are "people of Britain"

This is a simple border control issue that is being turned in to a cultural issue which wouldnt exist if the requirements to get in to the country were tougher and ensured that people embrace your culture to get in. They didnt have rights untill your government sold you out and let in heaps without checking they would integrate - most likely for a massive profit, now they want your help again to get rid of them because they only suited their short term goals.

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by bowtomonkey

Originally posted by arbitrarygeneraiist
And the Crusades 2.0 are back on.

Who gives these extremist comments stars?

It's like this...

I thought the comment was quite funny, I am not sure I starred the post though...

actually it is like this, "imagine all the people" -John Lennon

the foolish narrow-minded fantasy world of the isolated American who has not seen anything outside their Utopian borders or been educated enough in their own history.

I exercise my extremist views during voting time... it is the American way.

there are pockets of extremism in my country too, they are represented in the "blue" on this Nov 2 2010 updated map... these extremist carry dual colored images of their god in the flesh, and wear pins on their clothes along with stickers on their car, just like they do in N. Korea and the Maoist.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/95512c6f1a98.png[/atsimg]
en.wikipedia.org...

thankfully sanity is being restored in my country too, but this topic is about UK so I provide some comparison, the bright red represents recent commie exterminations and in the dark red no Marxists have been spotted at this date in time.

edit on 2/5/2011 by Cosmic.Artifact because: link to source

My reference to extremist comment was the wild (extreme) exaggeration that there is evidence of anything remotely resembling the crusades.

I don't accept any of the wide generalisations / benefit of the doubt / PC in general and anything else that diverts facts away from the topic.

reply to post by Cythraul


This is a very remarkable post, Sir or Madam. Finally, they'll not be just after extremistic Islamists, finally they'll be after everyone who'll oppose the system.

Once more, look what happened in my country: When our leader's name was Adolf Hitler, then first the jews were the guilty ones, that need to be erased from the german society. And then it was everybody else, who even in the most minimal way opposed the system.

Look at our history, people in Great Britain, the US, and everywhere else. You can learn something about us germans. Your leaders did...

the problem is not in this case actually the overcrowding issue, the real problem being adressed, finally, is that there ARE extreme muslim groups in london who preach, and can be seen via youtube doing so, that sharia will rule over our law and the british will all die in some sort of holy war or whatever it is they are saying.

problem is we we're listning and finally some action has been taken.

multiculturalism has not failed to the point that cameron has gone all bnp on us and wants to kick out anyone who's not english scotish irish or welsh, thats not the case, infact saying that multiculturalism has failed seams like a pretty dumbass comment imho. I guess time will tell if that is truely the case. I have friends who 50 years ago their grandparents would have been in another place, and you know what, they too are british.

don't take this story out of context, which is why I posted the above comments about not derailing the thread due to lack of knowledge.

double post, my bad.

Originally posted by Pr0t0

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

I am sorry, I don't live in your country... I have no idea who or what particular "they" you are talking about.

ask someone else I guess, I am not big on conspiracy... I dwell in the theology and metaphysics section really.

Confused.

What are you here for? To discredit people without any knowledge of the events?

no I am here to support the OP and his statements and to make comparisons giving examples of political ideologies in my country.

what are you here for ? to throw the topic off topic and seeking truth of 7/7 or 9/11 ect ?

there are plenty of other topics for that...

Star and Flag! Now, if only Sweden can do the same as England and Germany

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Pr0t0

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

I am sorry, I don't live in your country... I have no idea who or what particular "they" you are talking about.

ask someone else I guess, I am not big on conspiracy... I dwell in the theology and metaphysics section really.

Confused.

What are you here for? To discredit people without any knowledge of the events?

no I am here to support the OP and his statements and to make comparisons giving examples of political ideologies in my country.

what are you here for ? to throw the topic off topic and seeking truth of 7/7 or 9/11 ect ?

there are plenty of other topics for that...

Read my first post, page 2. Then eat your words, and sod off.