Victory in Britain!! Prime Minister says multiculturalism has failed

reply to post by sonnny1


On that note, having grown up in Scotland and living in England for 20+ years, I have to say things aren't so great in England either.

Same old, if you aren't sheeple then you aren't people mentality, so unless you follow whichever government /media notion being spun hook line and sinker and don't dare to question then you needn't expect an easy ride.

reply to post by theabsolutetruth


I used to have a us vs. them mentality.I evolved. I am glad I did. Taking the life you have for granted,is a slow suicide. Pushing agendas,religions,or doctrines,have never worked. How many years were Ireland and Scotland at war with the British people? And still,they havnt figured out to live amongst each other. People will always find a fringe element to demonize. Repeating history.

reply to post by Haydn_17


I used to think that nationalism was bad. I still do to some degree. But sometimes something bad can be used for something good.

reply to post by TheLaughingGod


I had originally posted about America. BLV replied. My post was a reply to that, and wasn't trying to discuss the UK or Europe. I never came anywhere close to insinuating Europeans watch Fox. Keep up. I never once asserted anything about Europe.

'Bout time too. Hopefully those student protests have taught their government a lesson as well.

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by CanadaMaster

 

we are in an area which looks nice, suburban, mostly higher end housing, surrounded by countryside, generally the best schools in the area...though there are the school disco's, kids being given food colouring in foods as 'treats' / experiments, political agendas in the general education system, influence from other kids etc.

It's a balancing act and we find the best way is educating about media and how most of the popular culture isn't nice or healthy and it makes for happier children, generally with a better view on things.

There are some commune type communities in the UK but none so far that have enticed, they all tend to be rainbow sweater, grow your own, forest type new agers, teepees, or gypsy style ensembles.

None of these are really our thing, we like science and technology, art and design, travel and good food, and then there's the money thing, most people are in or near metropolis areas for proximity to work. Whilst I have, for many years, contemplated self sufficiency with commercial artwork, giving me the means to live somewhere remote, I would prefer the utopian idea, like you mentioned, of a similar group, rather than being totally isolated.

Perhaps a like minded island community is where it's at but I have yet to find my spiritual home where I feel I truly belong.

Yes I agree, I also like science and technology, but I think I like my own type of science than then established type of science where they say that free energy is not a possibility in order for the oil industries to keep on pocketing at the expense of the earth's environment. I do scientific projects too, trying to come up with a working free energy device/technique and other sciences. I am the type that likes to question everything.

About technology, are you aware that some technology emits electromagnetic fields that are bad for us? I think thats why the AC current at 60 cycles per second was invented. In Canada, we have the 120 volts 60hz standard, (as well as in the USA too). When you have too much AC based appliances in your house, you get exposed to a very strong negative electromagnetic field. To counteract this, I purchased an orgone generator and a small pyramid that helps filter out these kinds of fields. Also, having as much DC based equipment as possible is a great way to help in counteracting the AC unhealthy effects.

Also, if you stare too much in your computer's LCD screen, I think that also affects. getting a DC based LCD screen wont help either since all LCD's have Cold Fluorescent Lamps back-lights that gets powered by a tiny DC to AC step up inverter, so there you go, AC right there when you wanted all DC based. The newer OLED based display may prove to be more healthier since each pixel is self illuminated since they are simply tiny Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs), just be sure to get the DC (Direct Current) model.

You will need a 12 Volts DC power outlet to power these DC based devices, you can come up with your own very easily.

So, because of my stated reasons, thats why there are a few groups that just refuses technologies, such as the Amish, the best they do is use DC based lamps and DC based fans. I heard that they are starting to "modernize" them self in getting these compact small fluorescent light bulbs instead of incandescent lamps and using 110V AC based devices and dumping 12V DC, but in reality, all what these variations of Amish communities are doing is shooting themselves in the foot, as they dont understand the damage in-the-background- that such as change will produce them, they rather should stay with pure DC based devices to remain as electromagnetically clean as possible.

"To be British is to believe in freedom of speech and religion, democracy and equal rights regardless of race, sex or sexuality, he will say. Proclaiming a doctrine of “muscular liberalism”, he will say that everyone, from ministers to ordinary voters, should actively confront those who hold extremist views.

I like this part

Come on you lefties, where are you?"




What is happening here is that they are moving from a far (radical) left to more of a sensible left position. You see it is the extremes of either right or left that are troublesome. It is a mistake to just say "left" or "right". Those groups are composed of many many opinions and creeds. Too few of us appreciate the differences that exist and therein is trouble of our own making.

I applaud the PM and I am a "leftie" as you might call me but more of a moderate one. The moderate righties are OK too. Remember it is the extremes that do all the harm to our country.

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by tiger5

What ???

I don't understand your point. Err assuming there was one but hey neither do you!

but my point is perfectly clear to me...

see the only ones left around in England after the Revolutionary war were aristocracy and some few poor souls who could not make it across the pond until the latter years like Ellis Island era... All the real Brits jumped ship long ago and established a new union and bastion of freedom for the core values of our western way of life, we call them our early settlers. Britain has long time now been just a liberal mecca, they have become so PC that their very civilization is at risk and also part of our american and western history.

personally I hate to see it go... but you guys need to get back to the God and Country thingy if you ask me.

Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let the world think you're an idiot, Than to open your mouth and proove you're an idiot.

reply to post by Haydn_17


must... skin... head... Aaaarrrgggg

reply to post by NonKonphormist



see the only ones left around in England after the Revolutionary war were aristocracy and some few poor souls who could not make it across the pond until the latter years like Ellis Island era... All the real Brits jumped ship long ago and established a new union and bastion of freedom for the core values of our western way of life, we call them our early settlers. Britain has long time now been just a liberal mecca, they have become so PC that their very civilization is at risk and also part of our american and western history.

personally I hate to see it go... but you guys need to get back to the God and Country thingy if you ask me.


I agree in the concept of "God and country" but let's remember that that phrase usually implies the Christian approach to God and this is problematic. God is available to us all equally regardless of our religion or none at all. God has no preference. Nor does Jesus. It is only we, mankind, that impose those. So when we allude to God, when we say "God bless America" we may do so without having to be speaking from within the boundaries of Christianity. Too often the opposite is implied. Too often "God and country" is used to mean (Christian) God and country. If all of our citizens are to be equal then we must allow them the dignity that they, and God, deserve. Christianity is only one of many quite valid religions and there is only one God therefore all of humanity's prayers go to the same place. The Christians who claim this is not true must set aside their scriptures and meditate for a moment in an unbiased and humble manner with none of the usual expectations or ideas clouding their thoughts.

reply to post by Haydn_17


Freedom itself means you can oppose anything and have that right, which means the entire post is propaganda and you failed the test completely

I am failing to see how not tolerating islamic extremism, or any extremism for that matter, means multiculturalism failed...actually, I would venture to say it is a success considering having a more broad view tends to segregate and push out extremist viewpoints.

As far as british values...the values you mentioned sound like human values more than anything..or civilized society anyhow. Yes, the british have those values, along with the americans, the french, etc...most advanced societys not living in poverty under a dictatorship.

My question really only is...was this not obvious from the get go? Multiculturalism does not mean changing the inherent values of a nation, it means allowing all to contribute positively and learn from one another under the values of the nation.

Seems to me, job well done.

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Seekeye2
Absolutely nothing wrong with being multi cultural - Heaves my family are a perfect example

I agree with this totally... I have 2 muslims in my family, well actually they are American now,

Can you not be Moslem and American?

multiculturalism failed because of your neocolonialism... your government support tyrants like Mubarak, Saudi king, (Saddam too, until he start to oppose you) and in the same time you hate muslims that migrate from those countries as a consequence... the more you hate those people, they will hate you back, not love you... I will not go deeper to the roots of the problem, for example: bombing people to pieces in the name of 'democracy' (read: profit)...

there is an old saying: 'as you sow so shall you reap'... what is happening to you is an excellent example of that

you may call it victory all you want, it really is a defeat... a characteristic of a delusional person

Originally posted by trailertrash
reply to post by NonKonphormist

 

see the only ones left around in England after the Revolutionary war were aristocracy and some few poor souls who could not make it across the pond until the latter years like Ellis Island era... All the real Brits jumped ship long ago and established a new union and bastion of freedom for the core values of our western way of life, we call them our early settlers.

This has got to be one of the most offensive statements I have read on this site in a long time.
I hope you are just being a troll.
If you really believe what you have typed you are one of the most concieted, arrogant and ignorant turds i had the displeasure to encounter

This whole issue is not just a localized issue in Britain, or the UK. This is happening in EVERY country that has the freedom to choose one's own religion, freedom of speech, and democracy. They, the Islamic Extremists, are using our own values and freedoms against us.

The issue at hand is, do we allow those that wish to spread dissent into our country the freedoms that are granted by the documents of the country they live? OR do we revoke their rights since they obviously don't want to be part of the country they are trying to create a civil war in (between Islam and the rest of the people)?

Its like in the movie Highlander: There can be only one! (As far as this issue and the Extremist Islamics go)

reply to post by _Phoenix_


An article about the speech was on the BBC website, surprisingly.

Originally posted by NonKonphormist

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Seekeye2
Absolutely nothing wrong with being multi cultural - Heaves my family are a perfect example

I agree with this totally... I have 2 muslims in my family, well actually they are American now,

Can you not be Moslem and American?

yes you can...

I was making this claim advanced of the liberal mindsets claim to racism or even extremism in my posts... afterall it is they who brought extremism up, did they not ?

reply to post by CanadaMaster


I am aware of the ac factor, for a few years in my 20's, tried a more alternative lifestyle, no tv, minimal appliances, vegan / vegetarian.

Gradually, with work and growing up, succumbed to tv, mobile phones etc then the internet became available.

Technology is of great interest and you are right, there is free energy, it just has to be properly accessed.

I am interested in architecture and plan to someday, have my own designed house built, which would be completely self sufficient, harnessing geothermal and solar energies, natural spring water etc, and if there are other technological advances then, in sync with nature, then these are worth exploring also.

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let the world think you're an idiot, Than to open your mouth and proove you're an idiot.

yes folks and here we have it yet again... the ignorance and enlightened mindset of the liberal left.

peace and goodwill to you my friend, I hope you are not a racist extremist, your mindset does not seem clear and your words are biased against others who do not think exactly like you.