FAA warns of ongoing GPS issues in southeastern US due to Defense Department 'tests'

Originally posted by new_here

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I realize satellites are the brain to the GPS's but what if..............this is affecting vehicles?
If a car is heading north on 1-95 and their GPS say's continue north only.........they wind up west (because their compasses are off)....don't tell me that's not a concern?

It does not sound to me like they are ruling it out...

Of course, while this particular advisory is directed at pilots, it will presumably also affect all other GPS devices, as the FAA doesn't mention any GPS issues specific to aviation.

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edit on 1/20/2011 by new_here because: Cite external text properly.

Well....I know what it said for I am the OP who posted it but apparently that isn't good enough because the FAA's released the "official warning' (in which we aren't to panic....) doesn't mention it.

(Ugh)


To every Yin there's a Yang.
To every Yes there's a No
To every story there's a counter-story


Moral of the story? TIme will tell.

reply to post by new_here


fine tampas been dealt with but what about the targeted zone for interferring with the GPS,why force mariners,air pilots and military strategies to be stretched and tested?Still has`nt been answered,why,what would be the reason,there is only one conclusion and I agree with human alien on this one ,a Magnetic poleshift.british geological surveyers in the antartic right now freezing there butts off in anticipation of reporting to high command, no coincidence.Too much correlation and all the animal deaths.,i think you`d need to be blind ,a sheep or a roving cattle not to notice the dots.spaceweather is reporting a massive coronal hole on the otherside of the sun will turn toward the earthside,unknown yet as to the severity,remember it ejected a massive one but not towards earth, seems to fit,ramping up their defence strategies.Everyone is entitled to their opinion but the OP has a point,and the question was why?I think ,not certain but a testing is underway,the very hint the bush made about GPS being to fragile gives away the meaning,GPS relys on satelites,big hint there.
Old analogue systems on the ready,TPTB are allways tongue in cheek at revealing what they do,theres plenty of hints.you can bet your boots those leaders are talking about beetlguise as well as all the other stuff, cooperation globally,is everyone deaf.

reply to post by Human_Alien
Yeah, I have a weird creepy gut instinct feeling going on about all this too. That, and talk of a second sun when Betelgeuse goes super-nova... ?! Honestly, I keep expecting to wake up from this weird news nightmare!

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reply to post by gringoboy


SIMPLE!!!

If you wish to react by emotion only, based on a site ( a very "OK" site, don't get me wrong!!) and "run for the hills".....or depths, whatever-the-case-may-be...thenn by all means feel free to *panic*.

Rest of us?

Reminds me of my (former) next-door neighbor, on 9/11. (We both owned houses within about four miles of the Pentagon). He rushed outside, on 11 September...around Noon, (IIRC) and asked me, "Aren't you going anywhere?!?" (Thinking, packingup the car, and pets and driving...."where", exactly? We never figured that out....).

He was in "panic mode"....very sad to see, a normally "rational" person.......

"NO", I said. "It's over."

MORAL to the story IS.....???

I prefer logic, and rational thinking, to solve "problems: that crop up in life. My emotions betray me, also....but, that IS a part of being Human as well....need to deal.....

reply to post by gringoboy
I agree there just seems to be SO many events or planned events, coming in rapid succession. But you left one out, my friend. Don't forget the Russians poised to drill deep into that mysterious lake underneath glaciers of ice, right smack-kadab in the middle of Antarctica. (No basis for the following crazy idea except that it popped into my head... (They are attempting to 'let the air out' a bit to normalize these magnetic anomalies. Burp the Earth, so to speak... LOL)

Originally posted by new_here
Don't forget the Russians poised to drill deep into that mysterious lake underneath glaciers of ice, right smack-kadab in the middle of Antarctica. (No basis for the following crazy idea except that it popped into my head... (They are attempting to 'let the air out' a bit to normalize these magnetic anomalies. Burp the Earth, so to speak... LOL)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha....

Please forgive me, but I had to say, that this post made my day.

Thanks.

reply to post by Human_Alien




I don't think a whole lot of danger is involved if the GPS in somebody's automobile in Ft. Lauderdale goes on the fritz for an hour or so.

Boats are a little more dangerous, but at least they can just wait it out for an hour until it comes back on, or they can call for help.

Planes should have redundant systems, and serious training of the pilots, so danger should be minimal, but there is that whole "suspended thousands of feet above the ground" aspect that gives it a bigger element of danger and prompted the FAA warning.

However, the big question in my mind is what could cause such an outtage for such a time period, for such a wide area? It couldn't be a typical radar jammer, and it couldn't just be a satellite interruption, because as many have said, it bounces off several satellites. So, what are they doing up there? I never know what their doing up there?! (A little Wedding Crashers reference)

reply to post by weedwhacker


This is logic the test will be performed for 45 minutes with intervals,they need to test ground based analogue ,oldschool systems with a interference pattern similiar to a solar burst. and under those tests their defence communications will be preserved.Its not Panic ,its letting you know that TPTB are preparing for a event that will mean military mobilisation on US citizens for there own protection,they can`t say that now ,when it has`nt happened ,but their definetly preparing for it.Why is it allways doom and gloom,its not its military strategy at work.

reply to post by AllSeeingI


Here's the accompanying map showing FL variances:

reply to post by Chadwickus


GREAT!

So it will affect me, even at the lowest level, and it will effect Eglin Air Force Base, Pensacola Naval Air Station, all the other bases in Florida, Miami International, Ft Lauderdale International, Atlanta International, and pretty much all air traffic that is flying anywhere near the SE US for the next month?

And, if it affects GPS, it will also affect people's smart phones, and weather radars, and other equipment that piggybacks off GPS locations.

reply to post by getreadyalready


From what I am getting is it will only effect GPS receivers at certain altitudes within the different radii.

I think if it were effect ground base receivers there would be more than a FAA notice about it.

reply to post by Chadwickus


It seems to be a cone of sorts, which means there is probably some line of sight needed, and the source is probably on the surface at that location. The curvature of the Earth and the interference of the ground based buildings and topography must be messing up their jamming capability.

It would be very interesting to see if a similar NOTAM goes out in a few months near the Northeast, or SoCal. It looks like 8 or 10 of these devices could be used to jam the whole United States! If it is ship-based, they will test it in several environments to see its effectiveness.

If this is a military device, it could be a huge strategic advantage in a place like the Persian Gulf. If our jets are shielded against it, but the enemy is not, then it could wipe out their targeting capability while ours stayed intact. Big advantage!

reply to post by getreadyalready



I beg to differ! For when the wind-shield wipers go off accidentally in a senior citizens' car, that usually results in a 10 car-pile up!

And these 'cool, hip and happenin'' Seniors LOVE their GPS's. (I guess they're easy to operate?)
The Seniors have a tenancy of forgetting where the beach is located (although it's less than 3 miles away) and depend on these gadgets like they do their cane. I kid you not.

The fact that the GPS might go off for an hour isn't the problem. It'll be them trying to figure out WHY.... while driving 5 MPH on the highway with their breaks on!

Besides, how will it affect the chemtrail pilots this weekend? Oh the humanity!!!!!

Now this is rather odd!

GPS Satellites Could Break Down by 2010



Millions of U.S. consumers have come to depend on GPS technology for a variety of daily activities, like avoiding traffic jams, finding the shortest route to a vacation destination, or for just finding the nearest movie theatre. Hopefully, those GPS-addicts haven't cleaned the maps out their glove compartments just yet -- according to a U.S. government report obtained by U.K. newspaper The Guardian, the nation's satellites used for GPS may be failing and could even begin to malfunction by 2010.

(more)
i.switched.com...

Thats bad if people cant find their way around without gps... Looks like technology caused people there to lose their sense of direction and how to navigate if they have to rely on technology to do it for them..

reply to post by Human_Alien


hehe may be some of gps satellites will fall down, but dont panic

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by new_here
Don't forget the Russians poised to drill deep into that mysterious lake underneath glaciers of ice, right smack-kadab in the middle of Antarctica. (No basis for the following crazy idea except that it popped into my head... (They are attempting to 'let the air out' a bit to normalize these magnetic anomalies. Burp the Earth, so to speak... LOL)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha....

Please forgive me, but I had to say, that this post made my day.

Thanks.

I completely forgive you for laughing at my expense... I am glad you could join me!

Hey Forum Moderator, my house lies within the zone too. South Carolina is pretty much covered, according to the graphic. That means Fort Jackson, Charleston AFB, Naval Base, etc. Panicking? Naw... I'll save that for when I hear the deafening roar of nose-diving jet engines 3 feet above my house.

I've not read [on ATS] of any airports, other than the one in Tampa, repainting the runway lines. ARE they the only ones, and if so why just them?

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

The FAA notice does not say that, your link is wrongly assuming it.

READ THE FAA NOTICE!

During testing, GPS will be unreliable and may be unavailable with in a circle with a radius of 370NM and centered at 304906N/0802811W or the location known as 105.25 degrees and 52.1 NM from the SSI VOR at FL400; decreasing in area with a decrease in altitude to a circle with a radius of 325NM at FL250; a circle with a
radius of 260NM at 10,000FT MSL and a circle with a radius of 215NM at 4,000FT
AGL

So it is spherical in shape, and it originates at a very high altitude. Can we assume it is a space based jamming system? Possibly a new type of missile shield? Perhaps related to recent top secret launches?

These NOTAMs are very common in Florida, we have many Air Force and Naval Air bases here, so testing is very common, but jamming vital GPS flight systems over such a wide area for such a long time sounds very dangerous. This could put amateur pilots in danger. A lot of times people don't check NOTAMs and sometimes people fly in instrument conditions with very little experience in those conditions. We are very technology reliant, so I hope this doesn't cause any accidents.

I don't know where you get that it is spherical. The description clearly shows a conical shape narrowing to the surface. The two sides of the cone describe an angle of 176 degrees, centered right in the middle of Warning Area W-158A, about a hundred miles off the east coast. You can find it on the Jacksonville Sectional at skyvector.com... . And there are not 2 GPS satellite systems, one for aircraft and one for cars, etc. Anything that affects one type also affects the others. GPS is becoming more important for airborne navigation under the new Wide Area Augmentation System planned by the FAA.

reply to post by 4nsicphd


Well, since there are only three measurements, it doesn't define spherical or conical, but I think you are right. I was first assuming a space based interruption with a spherical diameter, but looking into it further, it seems like a ground based (ship based) interuption with a conical area it effects.

You are correct there are not two GPS systems, but the systems in vehicles might be less effected, because whatever is jamming the aircraft won't have line of sight on the ground.