FAA warns of ongoing GPS issues in southeastern US due to Defense Department 'tests'

reply to post by weedwhacker


If it's another baseless fear-mongering thread, why do you attend? I don't recall sending you an invite!

Hey man, I don't write these articles. I just post them.

You seem to have gotten lost along the way because you do realize you're in a conspiracy forum, right? Maybe it was your GPS?


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To the other,

I realize satellites are the brain to the GPS's but what if..............this is affecting vehicles?
If a car is heading north on 1-95 and their GPS say's continue north only.........they wind up west (because their compasses are off)....don't tell me that's not a concern?

I honestly don't know anything about all of this so............I'm just trying to understand.

People seem to forget that GPS is a DOD project and operation. Because of the nature of what GPS enables, the DOD needs to be able to shut it off for everyone but them at any moment, and I would suspect that this is a test of a new system to do that.

It doesn't need to be anything nefarious -- since it is a mathematical system, they can just goof with the numbers that are coming down and they can account for it because they know the variation, your gizmo can't because it doesn't. I can still remember when they turned off Selective Availability in 2000, which made receivers at that time kind of worthless, and that was an executive order, and software switch.

You'll soon have alternatives, though. Because they're aware of the limitations that a DOD run system can cause, both China and The EU are creating their own. Given the cost of doing so, and the apparent reasons, that makes one wonder, particularly in the case of the EU.

reply to post by Human_Alien


I just hope folks have not gotten so reliant on their GPS that they forgot the route to their own house already.. We all know we don't remember phone numbers anymore because we just hit the name of the person we want to call.

reply to post by adjensen

You'll soon have alternatives, though. Because they're aware of the limitations that a DOD run system can cause, both China and The EU are creating their own. Given the cost of doing so, and the apparent reasons, that makes one wonder, particularly in the case of the EU.

It's a shame world politics means we have to have multiple systems doing the exact same thing..
The world could save a fortune if they worked together and also, the last thing we need is more junk in space..
The next Apollo missions will need to dodge more junk to get out and back in..

reply to post by ~Lucidity


hummm...who knows..maybe testing something that can be used if other devices cannot because...????
that is the big question, why? war, pole shift..what? or do they just have a new device or way of doing
the same things they did before?
more questions than answers..the norm for 2011? hope not.

Originally posted by thethingreally
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

Jamming by interrupting the satellite signal so that your GPS would not work.

Yeah, I got that but.........why? I mean, how would they (the government) validate using that technology?

To me it's like puncturing someones tires as they're driving risking a serious accident.
It's a very provocative 'defense' wouldn't you say?

Give me an example of 'who' they would use this on and what they'd hope they'd accomplish.
Can you set up a scenario for me please?

(this is sickening)

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

The FAA notice does not say that, your link is wrongly assuming it.

READ THE FAA NOTICE!

During testing, GPS will be unreliable and may be unavailable with in a circle with a radius of 370NM and centered at 304906N/0802811W or the location known as 105.25 degrees and 52.1 NM from the SSI VOR at FL400; decreasing in area with a decrease in altitude to a circle with a radius of 325NM at FL250; a circle with a
radius of 260NM at 10,000FT MSL and a circle with a radius of 215NM at 4,000FT
AGL

So it is spherical in shape, and it originates at a very high altitude. Can we assume it is a space based jamming system? Possibly a new type of missile shield? Perhaps related to recent top secret launches?

These NOTAMs are very common in Florida, we have many Air Force and Naval Air bases here, so testing is very common, but jamming vital GPS flight systems over such a wide area for such a long time sounds very dangerous. This could put amateur pilots in danger. A lot of times people don't check NOTAMs and sometimes people fly in instrument conditions with very little experience in those conditions. We are very technology reliant, so I hope this doesn't cause any accidents.

Originally posted by adjensen
People seem to forget that GPS is a DOD project and operation. Because of the nature of what GPS enables, the DOD needs to be able to shut it off for everyone but them at any moment, and I would suspect that this is a test of a new system to do that.

It doesn't need to be anything nefarious -- since it is a mathematical system, they can just goof with the numbers that are coming down and they can account for it because they know the variation, your gizmo can't because it doesn't. I can still remember when they turned off Selective Availability in 2000, which made receivers at that time kind of worthless, and that was an executive order, and software switch.

You'll soon have alternatives, though. Because they're aware of the limitations that a DOD run system can cause, both China and The EU are creating their own. Given the cost of doing so, and the apparent reasons, that makes one wonder, particularly in the case of the EU.

I hear/read what you're saying but what do you mean it's not nefarious? WHY would they want to do this?
This is not a 'receiver' as you pointed out

Unless you're saying, they'll 'turn this off' when it becomes antiquated but that's not the sense I'm getting. And after all this is the Dept of Defenses' brainchild, right?.

It sounds like leverage. Like.......a tool to control. Like a tool to mess things up too.

GPS was supposed to be a GOOD thing for us. A helpful device. Not a means to be controlled. This is not like shutting off our Internet service if we don't pay my bill. This sounds like a way to cause a lot of disruption on a massive scale. Unless I'm just not seeing this picture clearly.

Here is a visual of what I believe is the area affected based on the info provided...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ad12595ae1d0.jpg[/atsimg]
This Image represents an approximate circle with diameter of 215NM (about 250 miles) would be the affected range at 4000ft... the affected area would grow to 260NM at 10000ft, 325NM at 25000ft, 52.1NM at 40000ft.

Originally posted by Chadwickus

During testing, GPS will be unreliable and may be unavailable with in a circle with a radius of 370NM and centered at 304906N/0802811W or the location known as 105.25 degrees and 52.1 NM from the SSI VOR at FL400; decreasing in area with a decrease in altitude to a circle with a radius of 325NM at FL250; a circle with a
radius of 260NM at 10,000FT MSL and a circle with a radius of 215NM at 4,000FT
AGL

Originally posted by getreadyalready
This could put amateur pilots in danger. A lot of times people don't check NOTAMs and sometimes people fly in instrument conditions with very little experience in those conditions. We are very technology reliant, so I hope this doesn't cause any accidents.

Yeah, look what happened to JKF jr (insert eye roll here).

I think this thread is too techno for me. So, I'll step back and let the 'professionals' have at it.

Thanks (to some of you) for explaining this to me

Originally posted by getreadyalready
So it is spherical in shape, and it originates at a very high altitude. Can we assume it is a space based jamming system?

Not a sphere it is a cone originating at the surface, most likely from a ship because the epicenter is in the ocean... and radiating up in a cone shape from the surface and growing at a constant rate as altitude increases. The tip of the cone pinpoint at the epicenter at the surface.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

From a pilot's perspective, what's the worst that could happen here, say if a pilot was not aware that this was happening? For some reason or another didn't see the NOTAM?? I've read where you've said before that a pilot not reading this would be highly unusual, but for the sake of speculation...,

edit on 1/20/2011 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)

Worst case scenario is JFK Jr, and Bermuda Triangle incidents. Inexperienced pilots dependent upon technology, drift into hazy conditions and lose normal reference points. Weather Radar and GPS tracking becomes inaccurate, pilot gets lost, and being lost in a coastal area is very bad. Fuel reserves run out and no more plane.

Weedwhacker is correct, most pilots will check NOTAMs, and most pilots will fly within their limits, but even in good conditions some pilots will make bad decisions, so this is just one more possible event to create a crash. Most crashes come from "cascading events" and most of them are related to cockpit task management, or pilot overload. Taking away a critical piece of a pilot's technology is a big issue.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
So it is spherical in shape, and it originates at a very high altitude. Can we assume it is a space based jamming system?

No, I think that it is just a mathematical obfuscation. Reason being that you need more than one satellite (I think it can manage with three, but five is better) to calculate your position, so if they were jamming in space it would screw everyone up, not just in this area.

But if one (or more) of the satellites that are primaries for this region are still broadcasting, but sending erroneous values, your receiver will not simply ignore the satellite and rely on the others within the horizon, but it will either error out or think you're in an incorrect location.

It's also cheap -- software modification to the sats, plus modifications to DOD approved receivers to account for it.

'grats on the promotion to mod, btw.

reply to post by getreadyalready

Weedwhacker is correct, most pilots will check NOTAMs, and most pilots will fly within their limits, but even in good conditions some pilots will make bad decisions, so this is just one more possible event to create a crash. Most crashes come from "cascading events" and most of them are related to cockpit task management, or pilot overload. Taking away a critical piece of a pilot's technology is a big issue

But what about water craft.??
Many rely on GPS nowadays..
Smaller privatly owned boat owners are unlikely to check NOTAM's before going out..
This test sounds dangerous to me...

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I hear/read what you're saying but what do you mean it's not nefarious? WHY would they want to do this?
This is not a 'receiver' as you pointed out

Unless you're saying, they'll 'turn this off' when it becomes antiquated but that's not the sense I'm getting. And after all this is the Dept of Defenses' brainchild, right?.

It sounds like leverage. Like.......a tool to control. Like a tool to mess things up too.

GPS was supposed to be a GOOD thing for us. A helpful device. Not a means to be controlled. This is not like shutting off our Internet service if we don't pay my bill. This sounds like a way to cause a lot of disruption on a massive scale. Unless I'm just not seeing this picture clearly.

GPS wasn't intended for civilian use -- it's a military system that they allow civvies to use, and it's not their fault if no one can read a map any longer

By "nefarious", I meant that it's not some sort of plot or anything. Because it's a DOD thing, with obvious military application, they need a way to ensure that the United States military always has access to it, but potential enemies do not. The Chinese and EU will, no doubt, have similar functionality to keep their system open while blocking out "enemies" like the US.

Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by KillerQueen
So, I'm left wondering about dead birds, the dead D.O.D. guy and whether Sorcha Faal is really such a joke after all.

Who? John Wheeler? if not, what DOD guy (because he didn't work for them)

Thanks

I'm sorry, but you are incorrect.

www.military.com...

Wheeler's military career included serving in the office of the secretary of defense and writing a manual on the effectiveness of biological and chemical weapons, which recommended that the United States not use biological weapons.

reply to post by KillerQueen


I'm sorry. There's been so much happening and so many deaths, I got confused for a moment. I was thinking of Jared although I was picturing Wheeler.

Thanks for publicly clearing that up.
I'm just off my game this week. Sorry!

reply to post by Human_Alien


I'm telling you that some years ago then president GWB warned that the GPS system would be turned off if neccessary at any time to combat possible use of the system by certain 'others' to direct various types of weapons, including nanorobotic weapons. Remember this being discussed on CSPAN by someone in the military as well. The following article confirms this!


"...earlier this year, Colin Clark at companion site DOD Buzz, reported on public comments by Air Force chief Gen. Norton Schwartz, where he said “GPS signals are particularly vulnerable in time of war since enemies know of the reliance U.S. forces place on its highly accurate signal.” Schwartz said the military must find alternatives to GPS when operating in denied environments because of the system’s vulnerabilities.

“Schwartz’s call is driven by serious threats to GPS, according to officials familiar with the issue who would not discuss current threats in detail but confirmed that GPS has been jammed or interfered with recently,” Colin wrote.

Read more: defensetech.org...
Defense.org

reply to post by backinblack


Good point! Most watercraft that have converted to GPS have totally replaced their Loran, and there are no landmarks on the water, so this could be very bad for boaters. According to the NOTAM it is less significant the closer to the surface, so hopefully it won't effect that many boaters.

Its lies ,lies and more lies,why do they need to say jamming technology,is the pole shift going to happen and they still want to keep everybody on goal,head to the ground ,keep the day job and don`t notice,oh its alright the reason why my satnav and phones not working is because of that darn satelite,not because of something more significant.
Or maybe their going to fake a solar flare knocking out all telecommunications and switch off the national grid as a test for the actual event and deploy a military to follow protocols for control during the fake event,sorry test.