FAA warns of ongoing GPS issues in southeastern US due to Defense Department 'tests'

reply to post by mnemeth1


YOUR words, not mine:

..... batty ideas .....

Pretty much sums up the web link in your post.....AND the idiotic nonsense they spew.

Seriously, some people need to get a grip on physics.....and the rest of reality. "Fantasy" is fun, but is better left to the movie theaters.

reply to post by Human_Alien


There have been a number of interesting tangents mentioned so far in this thread. I shall attemp to address a few of them.

First the question of why disrupt GPS signals within a geographic area (as opposed to just turning off the system itself). Obviously, an enemy weapon which relies on GPS for targeting would be effected by such a jammer. At the same time, our own weapons would have to be steered by some other form of navigation.

Secondly the question of the magnetic realignment as it applies to airport runway designation. As has been previously mentioned, runways are numbered according to their magnetic heading to the nearest 10 degrees. Since runways are designed and built with other considerations in mind than which numbers will eventually be painted on their ends (i.e. prevailing winds, level ground and not being aimed at a nearby hill) they are not always aligned on even tens of degrees. Thus a runway with a magnetic heading of 234 degrees will be designated as Runway 23. A mere +2 degree shift in the local magnetic deviation (which is constantly changing over time) would result in a magnetic heading of 236 degrees which would require the airport to re-designate the runway as Runway 24 with the resulting necessary runway closure while repainting was in progress.

FInally what is, to me, the most interesting aspect of this story: the question of HOW exactly can this localized disruption be brought about. The "intersecting spheres" description mentioned by another poster as to how the GPS system works in three dimentions was very clear for the most part. However, lets take a look at how the system really works. It is my understanding that the GPS satellite array transmits simultaneous signals from all satellites. As I recall each satellite transmits on a discrete frequency which identifys the particular satellite to the receiver. These transmitted signals take the form of pulses of a specific amplitude at a precise duration (pulsewidth). The passive receiver compares the pulses which it can "hear" against an onboard timing chip and calculates the time delay between when the signal was sent and the time it was received and thus knows its precise distance from the satellite. This calculation on three or more satellites provides the precise location of the receiver. The precision (accuracy) of a GPS receiver is dependant upon how narrow a pulsewidth it can detect and process. The constant value in all these calculations is the speed at which the signals travel through space, effectively the speed of light.

Here's where it gets interesting.....

How would one go about disrupting this signal on a localized basis, in other words, without effecting the entire satellite system. The answer to that is somewhat like Star Treks' "Q" suggesting that the cure to a planetary impact would be to "change the gravitational constant of the universe". Such a jamming device would quite simply have to vary the speed of light in a localized area!! The only alternative would seem to be almost as fantastic. That would be to remotely disrupt the timing chip within every GPS receiver within the effected area - without effecting all the other internal components of the receivers.

A very interesting question indeed. Thanks for posting.

reply to post by Skydancer


Or it might be simulation to test a shielding system that prevents the Russians or Chinese, for example, from jamming us with their satellites. We'd have to jam things up to see if the shield/intercept system worked.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Skydancer

 

Or it might be simulation to test a shielding system that prevents the Russians or Chinese, for example, from jamming us with their satellites. We'd have to jam things up to see if the shield/intercept system worked.

edit on 1/21/2011 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)

Still I say, if this be the case, why not try this out in the middle of a remote desert area, where unforeseen dangers to densely populated areas would become a non-issue??? It is, after all, deemed a 'test' which implies they are trying it out to see how it flies (or falls short, as the case may be.)

Now a question... does 911 service rely on GPS? Anybody? I just don't know but it seems possible/likely.

reply to post by new_here


Sorry...I was more or less hypothesizing as to what they "could" say...should have made that clearer. I'm hearing some alarm bells here myself...tampa...rocket launch from WEST coast...this test...so I'm just watching like many others.

I think 911 might rely on it when it's a cellphone the person is calling from? And maybe for responders to find addresses.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by new_here

 

Sorry...I was more or less hypothesizing as to what they "could" say...should have made that clearer. I'm hearing some alarm bells here myself...tampa...rocket launch from WEST coast...this test...so I'm just watching like many others.

I think 911 might rely on it when it's a cellphone the person is calling from? And maybe for responders to find addresses.

I knew what you meant... it's me who wasn't clear! I just meant, testing is what they say they're doing, and testing has unforeseen results. The more people, the more lives, who are in range of this test, the more potential for damage and/or disruption to said life and lifestyle. This is a lame comparison, but they went out in the desert to test nukes. There's a reason they didn't test them in downtown Atlanta. (One reason, obviously is that they knew the bombs would be destructive on a grand scale. But that aside, fact is, they didn't know EXACTLY what the result would be. If they did, there would have been no need to test them.) My question is, what conditions exist in the guinea-pig-area effected, that could NOT be simulated in a remote area?

Edit to add: Try to ignore that this next question sounds like utter fear-mongering. It's a question. Plain and simple... Anybody considered the notion that this may NOT be a test at all, but an attempt to shield an area due to an imminent threat that we've not been made aware of? (There has been news of late concerning Russia's new intercontinental missals. Isn't N. Korea racing towards having this too?) Maybe the race is over and they want their victory lap. Surely not! Please disagree, and please do it gently.

reply to post by new_here


They presumably could have picked any area to test but they chose Navy stations off Daytona to supplement the signal? Perhaps they deliberately chose the southeastern demographic for some reason. Florida is a melting pot with pilots originating from many different parts of the country. The graphics seem to suggest that unless you fly it won't effect you anyways.

reply to post by Bordon81
I see your point, Bordon81. I just wish they could take enough pilots and Navy ships and signals and such, along with their 'new toy' and go test someplace else. It's a little too close to home for me. Literally. But I do leave open in my mind what you have posed.

reply to post by Human_Alien


could this be why the birds are flying crazy. im nj and ive noticed many birds flying around quite strangely. they fly around like they dont know where they are supposed to go. usually they fly in a v sort of formation. no bird in the last few weeks ive noticed have been doing that. most are flying weirdly all over the place like they are lost. its this due to the government with some test, is it solar activity affecting the magneticsphere, what???

i just want to know. the governtment has to have a simblince of inner knowledge of this annomily. but instead they give us some bs excuse of that he fda poisoned birds. ok all over the world, and fish and whales and now cows? i dont buy that. there is more to what we see and its stupid that they just cant tell us. i think we should be warned atleast!

reply to post by georgegott


Maybe they are just after geese in NJ?
Are we going off topic OP?

reply to post by new_here


Answer to that hypothetical. Yep. That's why I'm thinking shield. The China stuff comes to mind. After seeing some things in the corporate world that went on with China and after reading Unrestricted Warfare, I've had a theory forever (years and year now) that we're far too dependent on electronics from there that they could easy either jam due to a backdoor or trigger to do something via satellite. Could be we got intel saying they're up to something and are trying to avert. Might tie in well with a rocket heading west too?

Originally posted by georgegott
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

could this be why the birds are flying crazy. im nj and ive noticed many birds flying around quite strangely. they fly around like they dont know where they are supposed to go. usually they fly in a v sort of formation. no bird in the last few weeks ive noticed have been doing that. most are flying weirdly all over the place like they are lost. its this due to the government with some test, is it solar activity affecting the magneticsphere, what???

i just want to know. the governtment has to have a simblince of inner knowledge of this annomily. but instead they give us some bs excuse of that he fda poisoned birds. ok all over the world, and fish and whales and now cows? i dont buy that. there is more to what we see and its stupid that they just cant tell us. i think we should be warned atleast!

I noticed the other day, the same. Weird clusters, and not a V in sight. About "the government has to have a semblance of inner knowledge of this anomaly" ...ya got that right. And yes, we DO have a right to know. This is my world too, and yours. It's one thing to keep secrets from the enemy; quite another to keep secrets from your own populace!

Originally posted by Human_Alien

We're not even out of the first month of 2011 and we have so many major incidents happening it's almost hard to keep up with them all.

I don't know about anyone else but my red flag is almost at full mast right now!

I know it's easy to get caught up when there is a mob following a parade. But you're right... things looked to have gone from the standard sort of routine political, cultural and conspiratorial lunacy to actual events that seem to be picking up speed every day.

Not sure whether there has been some external mechanism set into motion or we have just turned a corner to face our paranoia acting as the catalyst for a self fulfilling prophesy.

Best.

Originally posted by Bordon81
reply to post by georgegott

 

Maybe they are just after geese in NJ?
Are we going off topic OP?

It's dang hard to tell, isn't it? LOL!
I thought the same, then I realized we don't know what's related to or effected by this secretive testing!

reply to post by Human_Alien


They re-sync the satellites and make sure they don't have roads wrong, as happened to me when I was in Virginia a year or two ago and a road did not exist anymore.

It's nothing special.

reply to post by Human_Alien


Ok, so their testing GPS blocking technology.
Obviosly they don't want to turn it off, just localize it.
Problem is, Planes also have compasses so you can still find the Sears Tower.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

The FAA notice does not say that, your link is wrongly assuming it.

READ THE FAA NOTICE!

During testing, GPS will be unreliable and may be unavailable with in a circle with a radius of 370NM and centered at 304906N/0802811W or the location known as 105.25 degrees and 52.1 NM from the SSI VOR at FL400; decreasing in area with a decrease in altitude to a circle with a radius of 325NM at FL250; a circle with a
radius of 260NM at 10,000FT MSL and a circle with a radius of 215NM at 4,000FT
AGL

Yo Chadepoo
what part of "GPS will be unreliable and may be unavailable with in a circle with a radius of 370NM"
means GPS will be unreliable to you? Do you remember 5th grade math, Pi R squared? And in NM as well (1.15 miles = 1 NM) Do the math please. That's a remarkable amount of air-travel, ground travel or hiking, that now carries some unforeseen complications.

Originally posted by Tholidor
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

Here's where it gets interesting.....
How would one go about disrupting this signal on a localized basis, in other words, without effecting the entire satellite system. The answer to that is somewhat like Star Treks' "Q" suggesting that the cure to a planetary impact would be to "change the gravitational constant of the universe". Such a jamming device would quite simply have to vary the speed of light in a localized area!! The only alternative would seem to be almost as fantastic. That would be to remotely disrupt the timing chip within every GPS receiver within the effected area - without effecting all the other internal components of the receivers.

A very interesting question indeed. Thanks for posting.

Like setting up or using a series of Tesla coils

This isn't no test

The magnetosphere is messed up and prepare for the worst

There must be little magnetosphere over the area they are talking about

Why dont you just learn to use a map, instead of not being able to find your own feet without a digital device of some sort? Ridiculous.