FAA warns of ongoing GPS issues in southeastern US due to Defense Department 'tests'

I read something about tears in our magnetic field or something like that. It's possible these tears could be over specific areas and will mess with GPS. I wouldn't be flying during that time period IMO.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by 4nsicphd

 

Well, since there are only three measurements, it doesn't define spherical or conical, but I think you are right. I was first assuming a space based interruption with a spherical diameter, but looking into it further, it seems like a ground based (ship based) interuption with a conical area it effects.

You are correct there are not two GPS systems, but the systems in vehicles might be less effected, because whatever is jamming the aircraft won't have line of sight on the ground.

GPS jamming involves disrupting the signal transmitted by the satellite, The equipment in the car or airplane is strictly a receiver. It receives the signals continuously transmitted by the satellites and triangulates lateral position and altitude by comparing the time signatures of the signals. By knowing the time it took for the signal to reach the receiver it knows how for away from the satellite it is. That distance describes a sphere around the bird. It then does the same with a second signal. Where those two spheres intersect describes all the possible points where the receiver might be. Add a third and fourth signal and the possibilities get narrowed down to a pretty precise location in space. The DoD has screwed around with the transmitted signals for a long time. They degraded the signal under a plan called selective availability until Jimmy Carter abolished the plan by Executive Order.

Originally posted by CitizenAlpha
Dont Panic! Wow thats when you do panic

Owell 10 bucks says somthing major happens between Jan20th and Feb 22nd.

In the southeastern area, possibly somewhere in Florida or Louisiana if I had to guess. The other US regions apparently don't have anything to worry about.

I live in Florida and drive a semi.
We have pretty advanced GPS systems in the cock pit.
My company that I work for, I transport from south miami to athens georgia.
They warned us to make sure we bring our *gold ole' fashion road maps* because
they have gotten reports the GPS signals will be interrupted. I know my route
like the back of my hand, them damn GPS's are a hinderence, but a God send
I find so many truck stops I would not of known without it. In cases we have to change
routes it also helps. These new guys simply depond on the GPS, (BAD NEWS)
I bet they can't read a map if it had to save there damn life. Well I am prepared either way.
I can live without the GPS. Can you sissies do the damn same?

Reporting in that in Atlanta, GA, my GPS worked fine all day (8 a.m. to 2 p,m EST). Forgot to mention it did its "seeking satellite" thing for a lot longer than usual....

reply to post by hillynilly


Hi Trucker,

If you ever get oversized or restricted loads the GPS will be a Godsend as well. My father was a dispatcher and safety manager for years, he even routed the Rocket parts in and out of Florida, and it was a nightmare. They didn't have GPS in his day, but he sure wished they would have! Tight corners and low bridges and areas of construction and hindrance from politicians and/or state police was always an issue with the "special" cargo.

You ever hear of Tristate Motor Carriers, or the old Monkem Company?

HAHAHA, TSMT Oh, you mean the *guinea* pigs.]
I had a buddy that moved to Alabama he would haul huge tractors with them.
The hazard pay though for the *guinea pigs* not that of tinkly MY fancy.
Everyone in trucking has their niche,
I will haul anything if I have to so I can feed the family.
Not to mean to criticize.
I wonder if your father ever got *one of them calls*
you know where the man driving didn't go home.

reply to post by getreadyalready


LOL! He never talked about "those" calls, but he talked about a lot of calls where guys would lose their nerve and walk away. Truck and trailer just parked out wherever they left it, LOL!

Back in the 70s and early 80s he actually got to talk to a Governor or two when his freight was held up at the statelines and the police wouldn't let it come through. His favorite story was waking up a certain Governor in the middle of the night and waiting while all the backchannel negotiations went down between the Feds and the State, and eventually getting a much nicer and compliant governor back on the phone.

I guess to keep things on topic, the GPS situation could become very significant for these types of issues. Air travel is the most likely, but even normal freight could be adversely affected.

Originally posted by Human_Alien

FAA warns of ongoing GPS issues in southeastern US due to Defense Department 'tests'

www.engadget.com

Don't panic, but anyone planning on using GPS in the southeastern US for the next month or so will likely want to make sure they have a fallback option. That's according to a flight advisory just issued by the FAA, which warns pilots that their GPS signal "may be unreliable or unavailable" due to "GPS tests" that the Department of Defense will be conducting between January 20th and February 22nd. Details are fairly light beyond that, but the FAA does note that when the "tests" occur they will be active for 45 minutes, and be followed by 15 minutes of off time -- additional notices to p

(visit the link for the full news article)

I can tell you what those "tests" are:

fascistsoup.com...

They are modifying the weather.

Probably trying to create global warming so they can further prop up their batty ideas about using authoritarian power to eliminate property rights.

As far as air-travel goes, I'm sure all will be fine because they can still use RADAR. They probably don't use GPS solely yet anyway, tho that is speculation on my part.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Well how about reading the Flight advisory directly?
It will only effect planes equipped with GPS for navigtion, nothing else.
www.faasafety.gov...

well they may SAY that's all that's affected
but I don't believe them.

I'm in the SE USA and last night round 10 PM EST.
There must have been a test. Some electrical equipment
I was working on just completely shut down, kaput.
Nobody turned the power off, nobody flipped a switch.
It was like an intermittent wave that came and went and
then came back. Kinda like ur windshield wipers when
they wipe and then pause. This machine did the same thing.
It wasn't a power surge as the lights didn't dim, it just affected
the A/C electrical motor. After about 45 mins, the problem
resolved itself. Motor worked fine after that, just like normal.
Could the gov have a weapon capable of mass producing
an EMP pulse without permanent damage to the devices ????
I believe this is electrical and wave oriented and is intermittent
in nature and I also believe it WILL be used as a weapon.
It did not harm the motor, just turned it off, possibly from space.
The electrical lights seemed unaffected cuz they do not have a motor
controlling them.

This device could shut down everything in a large area
with no damage to infrastructure.

But I have no proof other than what I observed.

Tests in the southeast. Interestingly enough, it seems that the massive bird die offs started there (beebe AR). Wonder if there's any connection? Would love to know more.

I read just the other day that the poles had shifted 4o miles and that there were runways shut down in Florida for a few hours because of the equipment had to reset it self, wonder if there is a relationship!

reply to post by primus2012


Actually, RADAR and GPS serve two completely different functions. RADAR is for collision avoidance and helps you know whats in your skies. (Commercially anyway - targeting radar is a different animal). GPS on the other hand is for navigation, it tells you where you are.

Anybody know if the LORAN systems are still up? I don't think they were ever for aircraft but when I served on a merchant ship in the early 90's we had GPS (accurate to 1meter), LORAN (3 meters) and surplus military surface radar. That was nifty, the cap could "lock on" to targets and determine bearing, speed, etc. We were buzzed by a pair of F16s once but he wouldn't lock them - was worried that they'd not be happy.

Ah come it its all because the DoD is bring up a new satellite system that was launched from Vandenberg yesterday. Of course its going to bugger up the GPS cause its part of that.

reply to post by Tripnman


Aircraft can and do use Loran and other radio beacons for navigation. Most pilots should know how to effectively navigate without GPS. The key word is "should."

reply to post by Chadwickus


Just out of cuirousity but how does that mean it only affects GPS in aircraft? I mean wouldn't it more accurately be important to notify airlines of GPS problems as they are relying on them to direct them and really don't have anyway to actually see where they are going by eye. Cars have GPS systems but honestly if GPS stopped working accurately its more like hey lets bust out the map.

As for the related to the launch I find that very interesting as well. I don't know if this is related at all or not, but I have a post that might be related to this as well

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by primus2012
As far as air-travel goes, I'm sure all will be fine because they can still use RADAR. They probably don't use GPS solely yet anyway, tho that is speculation on my part.

Radar is ground based and cannot replace cockpit based navigation. There are a number of cockpit based systems, but GPS is now the most used and most efficient, especially for users who can't afford hugely expensive inertial navigation systems. We still use jet airways, which are defined by VHF VORs, but just plug the facility's coordinates into the GPS or let the database software do it for us. A typical exchange with Air Traffic Control might be:

Aircraft - "Atlanta Center, Gulfstream xxxGC is with you out of 11 for 450 on a 240 heading. (translation- OK, Mr. radar guy sitting in a dark room in Hampton Georgia, here we are climbing through 11,000 feet going to 45,000 feet and the guy in a dark room room at DFW said to fly a heading of 240 degrees, and that really ain't the way we want to go."

Center - Roger gc, radar contact, cleared direct Marathon. (translation - OK, I see you and you can go straight to Marathon but you're on your own finding it.

When GPS really becomes important is when Oceanic Center assigns an offset from a North Atlantic Track on your route from Gander to Shannon. Use of the NAT system requires dual INS or 2 FMCs with GPS sensors. Google "North Atlantic Track System" to see what I mean.

Well it would figure I'm heading to Florida for the first time in several years and was gonna use my gps, guess I shall take the old RandMcnally as well. Reading a map is easy but gps is so much easier, lol.

just a while ago I got a u2u from a member here
who I will leave as anonymous for now unless
she wants to chime in.

She read my post above and stated that her cell
phone literally turned itself off about the same time
as my electric motor shut off. Coincidence or not?

Upon further investigation I found a common denominator
between the DOD jammer tests, my electric motor
shut down and her cell phone shut down.

COPPER !!!!

My electric motor had a copper coil.
A lot of cell phones use copper wiring
for power and chip connections.
GPS Devices also use copper.
It is a common denominator between
all of the events.

Now my question is, the technology behind
the jammer signal, does it target the copper's
conductivity ??? If it does, then we can lump
these other events as side effects of the DOD
jamming operations and makes them related.

some reading:
servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com...

use of copper in GPS devices:
www.stefanv.com...

test results of digital beam in a jamming environment
servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com...

Homemade GPS jammers raise concern
www.computerworld.com...

Cicada Introduces World's First 500mW Copper Transceiver To Accelerate Enterprise
Gigabit Ethernet Switch Deployment
www.redorbit.com...

and upon reading that last link, copper keeps the internet going.

If you can kill the copper's conductivity to electricity,
you can literally turn off the internet from space.
The kill switch that has been so widely publicized.
A lot of folks said it couldn't be done.
But they are looking at it from a different
angle as the DOD. DOD will go after the
copper.