More evangelists appointed to Lords, Christians desperate to force their delusion upon my children

reply to post by catwhoknows


I wrote that reply pretty late last night. I should have been more specific, I don't blame Jesus, not at all. In fact I strongly believen his teachings. I would not call myself a Christian, or any religon for that matter but I do maintain a level of faith. I mean there is just as much right as there is wrong in this world.

Every religon has the bad just like it has the good people. Just like the gay community, i know there are plenty who don't exactly live up to code

I always try to remind people not to blame all for the mistakes of one.

Originally posted by christian39
reply to post by sara123123

 

Good point, let me add also, I have never heard of any christians of late who made terrorist attacks on innocent people..Or who car bombed any place.. Have any of you????

Absolutely not! Christians rarely commit targeted political crimes just as atheists and all others do but not in the same ideology that Muslim radicals commit murder for their faith.

The object of the anti-Christian crowd is to blur the lines between Muslim radicals and Christian "fundalmentalists" naming them the same in ideology, crimes and danger. It is a lie to smear Christians so they have an excuse to deny them equal rights under the constitution.

But what else is new with these blind haters? When atheists get control of a State, they have a long track record of slaughtering and oppressing Christians just like the radical Muslims do. It is funny to watch them ride that high horse of moral superiority over Christians.

reply to post by catwhoknows

it won't be the fault of Jesus.

Dude you need to get with it here, no one is blaming an imaginary godman.

You claim to follow the teachings of jesus,?

Do you deny jesus and yawheh are one and the same being ?

reply to post by sonia74

Christian groups made it a point to find us, (mainly because they were there with us, having fun, talking, sex etc) My point is this; we were pulled out of our underground, by police raids, chrisitians and politicians. They beat us, lynched in some cases, and threw us in jail.

It is noteworthy that this christian alone had over 3 million sheeple in his flock





And he helps to create this type of person -



Which begs the question -

How many xtians are actually attacking homosexuals to cover the fact that they are really gay but have seriously conflicting beliefs brainwashed into them ?

One cannot help but consider the constant harping on by xtians about the clearly misogynistic apostle paul and how he persecuted xtians but then came of of the closet. Not that dissimilar to Ted Haggard eh ?

reply to post by The Djin


I think its a growing problem. Not to say 3 million people are gay, LOL, but in some cases, their leaders are. Yes, Ted Haggard is just one fine example. He made it a point to single out homosexuals, as did:

Eddie Long
www.examiner.com...

Babtist Minister George Alan Rekers
www.alan.com...

Troy King
Jim West
Richard Curtis
Bruce Barclay
Roy Ashburn
Larry Craig....one of my favs.
Ed Schrock
Robert Allen
Mark Foley

Check out more details here:
www.nuffy.net...

reply to post by sara123123

Absolutely not! Christians rarely commit targeted political crimes just as atheists and all others do

Ah, remember the good old days when the entire congregation would have helped him do gods work ?

Re Sara 123123

In your last post you wrote:

"The object of the anti-Christian crowd is to blur the lines between Muslim radicals and Christian "fundalmentalists" naming them the same in ideology, crimes and danger. It is a lie to smear Christians so they have an excuse to deny them equal rights under the constitution.

But what else is new with these blind haters? When atheists get control of a State, they have a long track record of slaughtering and oppressing Christians just like the radical Muslims do. It is funny to watch them ride that high horse of moral superiority over Christians."

If you're using a word like 'blurring' from ignorance or debate-tactical reasons I don't know, but it obviously needs to be straightened out.

Many ideologies contain an option for invasiveness, hence emerging attitudes like:

Group1. Fringe fanatics = A centralization of power on deed and doctrine. Basically fascism, where a self-appointed elite claims PRIVILEGES.

Group 2. Laissez faire = Total de-centralization of power in deed and doctrine. Basically anarchy, where PRIVILEGES are non-existent.

Obviously group 1 fascists fight each other and group 2 (which is easy prey), so liberal, secular, democratic society has developed as a functional compromise. No group 1 parts of society have exclusive PRIVILEGES, whereas society collectively has the power to ensure equal rights and equal 'privileges' (e.g. special needs).

One threads like this, there is no 'identifying' the SPECIFIC doctrines of various groups 1 with each other (e.g. invasive christianity = Jihadism). Critics like me use the common denominator 'centralised fascism' in our overall criticism against open threats to liberal society. There's no 'blurring' taking place. People like you and the jihadists share the basic fascistic attitude; no-one claims you have completely identical religious doctrines.

In a post 28 4:34 PM you write:

"Secularists don't have the power to take anything away from Christians in the United States. And law is what the Congress and State Houses say it is in America. In both England and the US elected officials make up the law. In both countries Christians are elected.

So secularists can go on and pretend they are the smartest and the dictators of law if it makes the insecure souls feel better. But it is not so. We are all lucky secularists are not as all powerful and big as they like to believe they are because in reality, smart is not a word which describes the secular relgion."

I've asked you before: "Who are these (undefined) secularist dictators, who in US and England and according to you are extra-parliamentarics?"

People like me, the Djin and other opponents of yours on this thread, who basically are defending liberal society? Or are YOU 'blurring' us into group 1 fascists like e.g. extremist hard-core communists, because your black/white worldview only can operate with 'for me' or 'against me'.

28 9:05 PM you continue in the same vein:

"Imagine if all this hysteria and hate was tossed at Muslims in Europe. The secularists here would be in a total snit at the bigotry if this was directed at Muslims. How ignorant can you all be when you act like kooks towards Christians; acting like they have some kind of disease?. "The Christians are coming, the Christians are coming! Hide yer kids!" I did not know they had red necks in Europe, too!"

You must be completely ignorant of the political scene in Europe. We do have a strongly expressed opposition to extremist muslim fundamentalism (sadly enough sometimes so polarized, that another fascist group 1 is manifesting: Neo-nazis in alliance with christian fundies). So liberals in Europe are in general just saying: "The fascists are coming, the fascists are coming", including you and your ilk, jihadists, stalinists and neo-nazis. But ofcourse ALL of you fascists (of all ideologies) whine about having your special priviliges taken away by liberal society.

If you people want special PRIVILEGES, you must demonstrate some reason for it. Something more communicable and common-sense than a confused book about alleged invisible beings, who are 'ultimate reality'. The competitors of YOUR confused book, 'Mein kampf' and 'Das Kapital' are (dysfunctional as they are) still slightly more rational than yours, though I ofcourse (as a liberal) would be against these books as part of obligatory 'educational' indoctrination.

So I emphasize: Do try to get beyond your inside/outside holy bubble (for me/against me) narrowed-down world-view. You appear as a street-corner orator on such pigeon-hole oversimplifications.
:

Re Sonia

In my youth I (who am heterosexual), mingled a lot with homosexuals, as one of my best friends was gay and I rented a room in his house. And though it wasn't as bad, as you describe your situation, homosexuals were still considered somewhat 'shady', but not exposed to the violence you talk about.

(Well, even my obese, high-cholesterol, rigid middle-class grandfather would visit the house and make poofter-jokes together with my gay friend, who had a great deal of humour).

Since then, in the passed 40 years, the situation has bettered in tolerance to the point where holies, homophobes and haters in general now is the dysfunctional minority, considered somewhat insane in a social context. And I ascribe this change to general education, strengthened liberal attitudes and the homosexual group's ability to demonstrate, they they are not 'dangerous'.

I write this (off-topic) post, because I guess, that your world sometimes must look bleak, maybe like being a jew in nazi Germany or a 'heretic' in medieval Europe; but there are small oasises of hope, tolerance and sanity in the world, where you (if you have the practical opportunities) would be accepted without any ado.

reply to post by ReginaAdonnaAaron

If you're encouraging them to think for themselves, then why not allow them to learn about God and Christ our Savior?

To put it simply, We of the human race do not have a "saviour," that in itself would negate free will in every form. Do whatever you want and still get saved by Jesus? I think not. All of you paying lip service in the hope that your "saviour" will come are fooled, and blinded. To hear the story is fine, and long as things are explained in context for the child in question. For instance, I have two boys, aged 12 and 9. Neighbours wanted them to go to church, to which we did not deny them that. The young one can easily see through the lies, the oldest one got to thinking he could do anything whatsoever, even dis-respect his Mother and lie, and Jesus would still come save him. do you see anything wrong with this? The New Testament was written by the Roam Piso family, and not some disciple.
There are actually some 200 gospels, epistles and other ancient documents concerning the life of Jesus Christ. Writing such material was a popular literary form, particularly in the 2nd century. The pious fantasies competed with Greek romantic fiction. Political considerations in the late 2nd century led to the selection of just four approved gospels and the rejection of others. St. Paul was the inventor of Christianity. Was Saint Paul an unabashed liar? From this verse in Romans it would appear so:

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded by my lie unto his glory, why yet am I also adjudged a sinner?" – St. Paul, Romans 3.7.

and then there is the virgin birth lie....

The Virgin Birth Fraud
The most colossal blunder of the Septuagint translators, the mistranslation of the original Hebrew text of Isaiah, 7.14, allowed deceitful early Christians to concoct their infamous prophecy that somehow the ancient Jewish text presaged the miraculous birth of their own godman.
The Hebrew original says: 'Hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve-karath shem-o immanuel.'

Translated to English, the verse reads:
'Behold, the young woman has conceived, and bears a son and calls his name Immanuel.'

A VIRGIN SHALL CONCEIVE...OH REALLY?

More of using the rare exceptions to portray the average Christian in a bad light....

I suppose this fallacy will never end.

Oh well.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


And all you're doing is the classic deflectionary posturing to avoid admitting that you are an evangelical rather than a Christian....You are a pseudo-intellectual right wing pentecostal proto-terrorist who would probably provide at least emotional support to an abortion clinic bomber, or to someone who brutally murders someone because of their sexual identity. The cold war between Earth and the evangelicals has officially begun. But don't think that it is a war of the world against Christianity....It's a war against extremism. You are an xtian extremist. Don't expect to find the majority of Christendom on your side either, buddy. You are a vocal minority which took advantage of people's politeness towards your madnesses in the early to mid 80's. Unfortunately, we didn't learn that until you people had already taken over the Air Force and half the nukes.

Now that you are an identifiable threat to the world and have access to the military resources to wage your own attack and have garnered control over a significant enough percentage of African leadership structures to have a negative impact on US and humanitarian operations there as well as in the middle east, I hope that more people step up to stop you all before it is too late. I'll gladly be on the front lines of that Civil War because I'll be darned if I'm gonna let you get any closer to Washington than you already are, and I'd love to be the guy that raided and shut down C-Street and hauled em all off to jail for treason. I will not let you turn this beautiful planet or the remnants of this beautiful country (the US) into "A Handmaid's Tale."

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Control

....You are a pseudo-intellectual right wing pentecostal proto-terrorist who would probably provide at least emotional support to an abortion clinic bomber, or to someone who brutally murders someone because of their sexual identity.

Ah I see you already knew NotUrTypical then

Re NoturTypical

You wrote:

"More of using the rare exceptions to portray the average Christian in a bad light.... "

We ARE talking about the exceptions here, christians with a persecution/grandeur syndrome and dreams of theocracy. And they are for certain portrayed in a bad light.

We're not talking about the 'average' christian who, like the 'average' muslim, the 'average' commie and the 'average' average person, can go through life without an insane need to enforce their ideologies on others.

Even I, with my often sharp tongue, actually can get along with adherents of different ideologies, if they can 'live and let live'. The worst outcome between 'live and let live' opponents is usually an academic dispute, where both parts consider each other mad as hatters, but without much rancour.

You are, most unfairly to the 'average' christians, trying to hide amongst them. Probably in the hope, that they (the 'average' christians) will feel threatened, if YOUR ilk is threatened. As Calvin put it: 'The natural state of a christian is war', so let's blow on the fire, until it's big enough for inquisitional purposes.

You don't have much shame, do you, by trying to draw the more relaxed christians into your crusades (of whatever specific kind they are. You're not much for telling, where you come from).

this is what all the greatest wars (and almost all of them) were started over... everyone wants everyone else to believe what they believe, and this will never change... it seems to relate to the saying 'a-holes are like opinions, everyone's got one'... this discussion is entertaining, wonderful and very enlightening no matter anyone's individual belief's, because there are so many on display here. thank you for this thread

Originally posted by Control
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

And all you're doing is the classic deflectionary posturing to avoid admitting that you are an evangelical rather than a Christian....

I've only been pointing out the fallacies of logic being used in this thread to mislead the average bloke who's critical thinking is ruled by emotion rather than logic. Any argument demonstrated to be a fallacy in part is rendered invalid in whole.

Here begins your poorly thought out conjecture mixed with absurd tripe and thinly veiled hatred... I'm certainly a Christian, specifically a follower of Jesus Christ Himself, not the church. I hate all forms of Religion, with the Christian form being the most vile. (Check my sig in your free time)

You are a pseudo-intellectual right wing pentecostal proto-terrorist who would probably provide at least emotional support to an abortion clinic bomber, or to someone who brutally murders someone because of their sexual identity.

I'm not "pentecostal", baptist, reformed, presbyterian nor methodist. I don't subscribe to ANY denomination and can't recall Jesus ever instructing His apostles to create one. I don't associate myself with any form of the organized church. But hey, your scholarship thus far has only relied on hatred and fallacies of logic, so I doubt you'll care that your foot is currently in your mouth.

Why would I lend emotional support to a murderer? I don't recall Jesus teaching us to murder anyone. And Jesus went to the sinners and ate with them and hung out with them. A sin is a sin, homosexuality is no different than pride or lying in God's eyes. We're all sinners and need redeemed. Seems you hate the hypocrisy of "Religiousness", and I won't argue with you there, I hate it too.

The cold war between Earth and the evangelicals has officially begun.

Learn history. It began with the advent of the church in Acts 2. perhaps you're just now catching on to it?? lol

But don't think that it is a war of the world against Christianity....It's a war against extremism.

Not surprised here, in fact exceedingly joyful:

"Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you." 1 John 3:13

"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before you." John 15:18

You are an xtian extremist.

Jesus said the road to destruction was broad and many went down that path. The "extreme" fringe is where I hope to be, thanks you just made my day.

Don't expect to find the majority of Christendom on your side either, buddy.

Appeal to numbers fallacy. And besides that, the majority of the religious people were against Jesus too, they killed Him.

You are a vocal minority which took advantage of people's politeness towards your madnesses in the early to mid 80's. Unfortunately, we didn't learn that until you people had already taken over the Air Force and half the nukes.

More conjecture...

Now that you are an identifiable threat to the world and have access to the military resources to wage your own attack and have garnered control over a significant enough percentage of African leadership structures to have a negative impact on US and humanitarian operations there as well as in the middle east, I hope that more people step up to stop you all before it is too late.

Military resources? Interesting, I don't recall Jesus teaching military conquest. You must be speaking of those who cling to the "Kingdom Now" heresy. I sure don't.

I'll gladly be on the front lines of that Civil War because I'll be darned if I'm gonna let you get any closer to Washington than you already are, and I'd love to be the guy that raided and shut down C-Street and hauled em all off to jail for treason. I will not let you turn this beautiful planet or the remnants of this beautiful country (the US) into "A Handmaid's Tale."

When you're ready to move past hasty generalizations, straw man arguments, absurd conjecture and hatred & want to have a "real" discussion about Jesus and what He actually teaches you know where to find me. But until then, stop using the "wolves" to portray the average "sheep".

That's using the "exception to define the rule" fallacy.

reply to post by bogomil

As Calvin put it: 'The natural state of a christian is war', so let's blow on the fire, until it's big enough for inquisitional purposes.

Interesting, however, I'm not a Calvinist.

The apostle Paul said this:

"For we wrestle (war) NOT against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Ephesians 6:12

www.youtube.com...#!

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

Well, over the last 10 years, yearly drop-out rates of the church have have increased FIVE-FOLD. I wouldn't worry too much

As science progresses, I believe religions assuming a "personal god" will have some VERY difficult times ahead. It's a number game, and judeo-christian religions are loosing at an impressive rate

That's only possible because more and more people are realizing that we as a society have to ignore the crazy fundamentalists. Don't even bother trying to be reasonable to them as they don't act upon reason or logic...don't waste your time.

Frank Schaeffer said it best:

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Your very response to my post outright admits that I am correct. You are an extremist. It is extremism which is the greatest threat to our society. Where will you draw the line? What acts of extremism would you not be able to justify if you "hope to be on the extreme side?" You say you're not a Baptist, or a Methodist, or whatever, but you're naming mainstream Christianity. A Christianity that you yourself have admitted you want nothing to do with.

You call yourself "nondenominational?" Hey buddy? That is the largest grouping of xtian terrorists on the planet. Nearly every single abortion clinic bomber has been "non-denominational" and ALL of the so-called mega-churches in the US are non-denominational. Jesus Camp was filmed at a non-denominational evangelical camp. So don't use the also classic deflectionary of "I'm non-denominational, don't lump me in with the Methodists who lost Christ..." The Methodists don't want you lumped in with them either, so no worries there.

You are the exception trying to be the definition of the rule. I have no problem with Christians, or Christianity. I have a problem with xtians like you who want to see the world turned into some "godly" totalitarian theocratic dictatorship. Again, you will get your "Handmaid's Tale" only after much bloodshed.

Oh wait, here's more:

www.youtube.com...

Very good vid. I love Texans. Very few are capable of calling out BS quite like Texans are.

Here's another one by the same guy. Pwned in 90 seconds:

www.youtube.com...

Logic.