More evangelists appointed to Lords, Christians desperate to force their delusion upon my children

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Control
Evangelicals in a nutshell;

"Jesus loves you if you give $5, but he loves you EVEN MORE if you give $500! And for a love gift of only $120 my brothers and sisters, I'll send you a prayer cloth annointed with the sweat forth from my holy brow. Call now, before the End Times arrive 1-800-222-#### or to save your operators time and trouble send check, money order, or your next of kin to The First Church of Gooey Death and Discount House of Worship, care of: Moving Winnebago, I-65, Somewhere between Nashville, and Louisville, 37777, 37222, and M5N-1S8.

Void where prohibited by common sense.

LOL, why is it skeptics always love to rely on the "using the EXCEPTION to define the RULE" fallacy???

Time and time again.

And why is it you evangelicals always try to say that those who are against evangelical christianity are haters of Christianity in general? Time and time again. Dude...you're not a Christian....you're an evangelical theocrat....and a terrorist sympathizer.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by The Revenant

 

However, the goal of a republic is to insure that everyone has an equal voice. Like it or not, the rligious make up a large proportion of the population and as such should have a voice in the government. By limiting who can and cannot serve you are destroying the very government you seek to preserve.

How long has the UK been a republic? When did this happen, and more to the point, why was I not informed?

How do you know its a delusion?

Just saying....

Originally posted by civilchallenger

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
reply to post by Y2KJMan

 

Any person that believes in imaginary people should not be in a position of power.

You think Christians would disagree with you on this? Umm... they would agree, obviously. I'm sure many people such as myself view atheism as an imaginary concept.

Atheists don't imagine anything religious, that's the whole point.

Yet would I be so arrogant then to say an atheist should be ruled out from a "position of power" just because of their strange religious belief? No.

Are you sure about that? One of the main points is to convert, and damn the ones that don't jump on board. So I am pretty sure that, given half a chance, they would deny atheists "positions of power".

Perhaps you should learn the same level of tolerance that Jesus had... who was not afraid to talk to poor people, and other people looked down on like thieves, hookers, etc.

Maybe most xtians should learn the same level of tolerance that the mythical jesus had and stop banging on self rightiously to others that have decided to use their logic and reason.

Originally posted by Control

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Control
Evangelicals in a nutshell;

"Jesus loves you if you give $5, but he loves you EVEN MORE if you give $500! And for a love gift of only $120 my brothers and sisters, I'll send you a prayer cloth annointed with the sweat forth from my holy brow. Call now, before the End Times arrive 1-800-222-#### or to save your operators time and trouble send check, money order, or your next of kin to The First Church of Gooey Death and Discount House of Worship, care of: Moving Winnebago, I-65, Somewhere between Nashville, and Louisville, 37777, 37222, and M5N-1S8.

Void where prohibited by common sense.

LOL, why is it skeptics always love to rely on the "using the EXCEPTION to define the RULE" fallacy???

Time and time again.

And why is it you evangelicals always try to say that those who are against evangelical christianity are haters of Christianity in general? Time and time again. Dude...you're not a Christian....you're an evangelical theocrat....and a terrorist sympathizer.

Cute, you've "progressed" from the hasty generalization fallacy to a straw man.

I've taken note that you've refused to address the statement that skeptics love to use the hasty generalization fallacy as the base tenant of their critical thinking skills.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by The Djin

 

Let me reframe it and put it another way - have you (or your children) ever stopped to ponder, deeply, the parables or the Sermon on the Mount, or the meaning and significance of the sacrifice of Christ - or is it all just a bunch of disgusting Jesus junk..? Also, why your insistence on doing away with the historical Jesus as a self-realized individual and Jewish mystic, altogether, what motivates that? In what way are the love and teachings of Jesus so offensive..?

These are valid questions, and if they make you uncomfortable, why is that (setting aside the obvious problems with a fundamentalist literalist Churchianity that is)?

In other words, what's your problem with Jesus?

There are also uncanny similiarties with Joseph from the old Testament, and Jesus of the New.

Here is a list of Historians that lived during the alledged time of Jesus.

Aulus Perseus Columelia Dio Chrysostom Justus of Tiberius Livy Lucanus Lucius Florus Petronius Phaedrus Philo Judaeus Phlegon Pliny The Elder Plutarch Pomponius Mela Rufus Curtius Quintillian Quintus Curtius Seneca Silius Italicus Statius Caelicius Theon of Smyrna Valerius Fiaccus Valerius Maximus

How many of these well known historians who lived during Jesus' assumed life time, even mention Jesus'? Not a single one.

Defenders of the Historical Jesus quote 3 Famous Historians having to of mentioned Jesus Christ in scripture, these scriptures are very vague, and do not mention Jesus, but only " Christus, Christ, " Which isn't name, but a title, meaning " The Anointed. "

The 4th source cited, is from Josephus, which has been proved to be a forgery for 100's of years..

Originally posted by lestweforget
reply to post by sonia74

 

If more gays were more like yourself and kept it in the bedroom there
wouldnt be much of a problem! Also its not just the religious who are
disgusted by homosexuality.

How vile.

If religious bigots kept their beliefs to themselves, there wouldn't be much of a problem either.
Also, it's not just gay people that are disgusted by religion.

reply to post by NoSoup4U

Not one verse says that a person must be killed if they do not believe in Jesus. What I think you are talking about is the final judgment in the Book of Revelation.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; …thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die;

reply to post by NoSoup4U

I have plenty of evidence that proves the Bible is the Word of God!

Well, you'd be the first but after all this is ATS so fire away, may I suggests you start a new thread something like -

"Finally, I have the evidence that proves the bibles are the words of a god"

I have to speak up, yet again, to say please do not drag Jesus into this.

A lot of people who call themselves Christians are definitely not followers of Jesus. And yet they use His name, they call themselves "Christians". It makes me so mad.

Jesus would not force His 'delusion' upon anyone.

Jesus only hopes that people who are searching for Him will find Him.

In saying this, I hope that some of the Lords are true followers of Christ.

But I can guarantee that some are not.

reply to post by NoSoup4U


Which jesus ?

Yeshua of the Holy Bible.

The Hebrew name for Jesus has always been Yeishu
and the Hebrew for "Jesus the Nazarene" has always been "Yeishu
ha-Notzri." (The name Yeishu is a shortened form of the name
Yeishua, not Yehoshua.) It is important to note that Yeishu
ha-Notzri is not an historical Jesus since modern Christianity
denies any connection between Jesus and Yeishu and moreover,
parts of the Jesus myth are based on other historical people
besides Yeishu.

reply to post by catwhoknows

Jesus would not force His 'delusion' upon anyone.

Christians get a lot of mileage out of the aphorism of 'turning the other cheek', a sentiment originating at least as early as Pythagoras in the fifth century BC. Yet both in theory and in practice, Christians have honoured the principle of murdering their opponents. The word, it seems, came from the very top. Apparently Jesus himself said:

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." – Luke 19.27

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving… shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:

Originally posted by onequestion
How do you know its a delusion?

Just saying....

delusion, in psychology, a rigid system of beliefs with which a person is preoccupied and to which the person firmly holds, despite the logical absurdity of the beliefs and a lack of supporting evidence.

Delusions are symptomatic of such mental disorders as paranoia, schizophrenia, and major depression and of such physiological conditions as senile psychosis and delirium.
They vary in intensity, extent, and coherence and may represent pathological exaggeration of normal tendencies to rationalization, wishful thinking, and the like.

Among the most common are delusions of persecution and grandeur; others include delusions of bodily functioning, guilt, love, and control.

reply to post by The Djin


I don't think Jesus said that - remember the bible was written and translated by many different people.

However, that does puzzle me.

The Jesus I follow is gentle and forgiving.

That is one of the many enigmas we are faced with.

And, my friend, we don't have a clue about anything not of this world.

reply to post by catwhoknows

I don't think Jesus said that -

To those of us who've been doing this a while you are now "Cherry Picking " scripture, a common practice amongst xtians when faced with awkward instances they don't like.

This is normally followed by -

remember the bible was written and translated by many different people.

True to form my friend, quite predictable , Ok then, so the bibles were written by many different people (men actually) and as you imply have been changed from what, eh who the hell knows.

However, that does puzzle me.

Yes I expect it would, just think, you have a book, written by men lots of men in fact, hundreds of years ago anonymously . Some parts of the book you want to believe and have chosen to do so and have completely ignored the parts you don't want to believe. Now you'll have to go ask pastor which parts you should believe.

The Jesus I follow is gentle and forgiving.

Well the one previously alluded to is the one that appears in the bibles, not you guy ?

That is one of the many enigmas we are faced with.

Hm, which Batman do you think is the real one ? Adam West, Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney ?

And, my friend, we don't have a clue about anything not of this world.

Nope, you certainly not to have.

reply to post by The Djin


Hi Djin,

Yes, difficult points.

But I will reiterate - if there is any trouble from the new Lords, it won't be the fault of Jesus.

reply to post by lestweforget


We did keep it to ourselves....do u not remember? Come on, really think for a second.

35 to 45 years ago?

Still need your memory jogged?

Here let me help;

We kept our sexuality very private and went 'UNDERGROUND' to meet, dance, talk...and ya, to have sex. Christian groups made it a point to find us, (mainly because they were there with us, having fun, talking, sex etc) My point is this; we were pulled out of our underground, by police raids, chrisitians and politicians. They beat us, lynched in some cases, and threw us in jail.

PEOPLE LIKE YOU, left us no choice. We feared for our lives, we feared for our family, so we came out and used the constitution to protect us (USA, Canada etc), at the time we figured if women could be declared a 'person', then perhaps we could live freely and open.

Why should I pretend to be something or someone I am not?
To make you feel better?

In the gay community we have a saying: Those who persecute us the most, are usually gay themselves.

This has been proven time and time again. Just Google it, or check out recent news.

reply to post by sonia74


Hi sonia,

Go gays, go everyone.

Just don't blame Jesus.

You wouldn't believe how many people blame Jesus - and I am getting so tired of it.

Jesus is into eveyone.

reply to post by Control

I'm with you all the way Sonia. Just look at what is happening in Uganda at the moment. Current.tv recently released a 45 minute documentary about American evangelical missionary groups in Uganda and their support of both the Lord's Resistance Army which kidnaps and brainwashes child soldiers and provides rape-wives to LRA leaders AND the official government extreme anti-gay laws which are among the harshest in the world. Gay and Lesbian folks are burned alive in that country outside the cities. The documentary is called, ironically enough, "Missionaries of Hate," and I have found it impossible to find any more than a few clips of it online. Not even a torrent. I wonder if it's evangelical hackers. I know they exist because one lives in my town.

I know, it just breaks my heart. These particular evangelists, (I say particular because I know not all behave the same way) went into this country with an 'agenda'. The gay community often gets accused of having a 'agenda', which I am still trying to figure out. They will deny any wrong doing for their actions. In fact one already has, he mentioned something about, never telling the Ugandans to kill homosexuals. WTF did he honestly expect?

They knew damn well what they were doing, and they got the result they wanted. The only thing they are sorry about is how much media coverage it got.

This brings me to another point I want to make in regards to homosexuality in these types of countries. People will say its the 'West' who is responsible for homosexuality, especially middle easter countries (ie. IRAN). However, it makes no sense. Uganda for instance, many or majority can barely afford food and clothing, let alone TV, or North American books, magazines etc. How exactly were the gay people there affected by the West?

Could it be...they were born like that? Or Iran, Iraq, Afgan, etc. The media is so controlled over there, its not even funny! There was a documentary done about being Gay in Iran, if I find it i will post, very interesting. They are completely underground over there. If caught, we all know what happens.

So, why do they take the risk for a simple choice?
Obviously its not a choice. Its proven time and time again. If by science or just by world cultures.

Sorry for the rant in reply to your thread, I just want people to really research this, by that I mean look past the bible for a few hours.

Thanks for your reply

reply to post by NewAgeMan


I am no atheist, which is shocking, considering more gay people everyday are giving up on faith. But, my faith will never be shaken. I was raised Roman Cathiloc, but my parents eventually converted to Christianity. My father, and his side of the family were very hard on me. My father of course loves me and we still have a relationship, but the rest of his family reminded him of his 'judgement day', and how Jesus will ask about me, and not let him into the Kingdom of heaven.

Sad. I've read the bible several times, front to back. Most of the time it gave me some hope, but a person would usually come along and dash those hopes. I make sure to mention a 'person'. Although my views are different today, I still hold onto to certain values from the new testament. I appreciate your kind reply, and I know there are plenty like you out there.