More evangelists appointed to Lords, Christians desperate to force their delusion upon my children

reply to post by NewAgeMan

For example, have you ever READ the sayings of Jesus? Could you see how those might square with a oneness or Monistic Idealism POV.

Indeed, and you'll probably find atheists and agnostics more willing (able?) to engage in the discussion than bible thumping christians as we must give consideration that those sayings are plagiarized (seeded ?) from other schools of thought. This certainly will (and mostly is not) acceptable to the "religious" christian.

Originally posted by lestweforget
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

If you are infering that science disproves christianity i must dissagree,
recent archeological discoveries comply with biblical history.

Like the Talpiot tomb ?

reply to post by The Djin


So...just to be clear. You call for the assumption of guilt on Christians. Which is the same thing you are accusing them of.

You force your thinking on them?

Hmmm...

Curious conondrum.

reply to post by sonia74


If more gays were more like yourself and kept it in the bedroom there
wouldnt be much of a problem! Also its not just the religious who are
disgusted by homosexuality.

"desperate to force their delusion upon my children"

Kind of like what you all are doing to our children in schools, even so much as refusing to discuss putting alternative views in? Sure it's alright when it's YOUR ideals that are being preached, but when it's someone else OH NO! I MUST STOPS THEM!

This hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

Disappointed there isn't a de-flag button.

reply to post by The Djin


Let me reframe it and put it another way - have you (or your children) ever stopped to ponder, deeply, the parables or the Sermon on the Mount, or the meaning and significance of the sacrifice of Christ - or is it all just a bunch of disgusting Jesus junk..? Also, why your insistence on doing away with the historical Jesus as a self-realized individual and Jewish mystic, altogether, what motivates that? In what way are the love and teachings of Jesus so offensive..?

These are valid questions, and if they make you uncomfortable, why is that (setting aside the obvious problems with a fundamentalist literalist Churchianity that is)?

In other words, what's your problem with Jesus?

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by sonia74

 

I am gay, and the most hated on this planet when it comes to religon. Imagine how that feels for just one moment. Its especially hard when you don't know why you are so hated, or such a threat.It all comes down to what I do in my bedroom...which is really no one's business.

I've never heard it put like that before dude bloody heartbreaking as a matter of fact.
Why or why is it so difficult for these bigoted bastards to even consider the possibility that they could be wrong ?

I am a Christian myself and straight, but I am equally outraged at this anti-gay stance taken by large sections of "Christendom", based on a few lines in the bible, which I believed were directed at orgiastic liscensciousness which was occuring, where people didn't care who or what they were sleeping with. Gays are gay, that's their sexual orientation. No one would choose to be gay, and it's obviously not a choice, it is how God made a person and how they were shaped, both in the womb &/or via nurture.
If I were a Christian minister, I would marry gay couples.
That said, there's a rather unscrupulous promiscuity and a high degree of vanity in the gay community, and don't get me wrong that exists in the straight community also.
Jesus would accept fully the gay person as his own, and the Jesus who lives in me does.
This poster is fully loved and accepted by God.
Many so-called Christians will have a hard go of it when they run into their Lord at some point down the line I think, although I'm sure most will get sent right back again and again and will not meet him until they've paid the very last penny for their vile, hateful and contemptuous views.
Some are worse than that, who Jesus himself said - traverse the Oceans preseletizing, only to make their converts twice as fit for hell as they are.

Letme start by saying that I am a spiritual individual who finds useful teachings in most of the earth's religions, who was also educated in catholic schools from kindergarten -12th grade but raised by a totally liberal unitarian mother.

That being said the evangelical movement and it's followers make me incredibly uncomfortable. I support their right to believe as they will, but I do not support their agenda to convert the rest of us.

As someone who has deist and somewhat pagan leanings I have been told that I am going to hell, that I should have been burned at the stake, and that my children should be raised by someone else so that I do not corrupts them with my satanic views.

My son was told that obama was evil and wanted to take the babies out of their mother's stomachs, as some sort of nod to his pro-choice leanings. My poor son was terrified that our new president was going to be killing all the babies.

I do not understand how people find this acceptable.

I know a young man who truly believes all the children born into buddhism and hinduism are going to hell, and that the tsunami was god's retribution for their evil ways. He also said the same thing about the haitian earthquake while implying the people deserved it because they weren't christian enough.

If you go through the bible and read the things that just Jesus says and teaches there is much good to be learned. The rest of the bible however is a lot of judgement and dogma.

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Let me explain something to you. A person would REALLY have to hate someone's guts to believe eternal life was possible for them but refused to share that with them.

Let me explain something to you


Amway distributors really believe they can make you wealthy, and feel it an injustice not to share that with you.

Have you ever heard the term "Red Herring" before???

Evangelicals in a nutshell;

"Jesus loves you if you give $5, but he loves you EVEN MORE if you give $500! And for a love gift of only $120 my brothers and sisters, I'll send you a prayer cloth annointed with the sweat forth from my holy brow. Call now, before the End Times arrive 1-800-222-#### or to save your operators time and trouble send check, money order, or your next of kin to The First Church of Gooey Death and Discount House of Worship, care of: Moving Winnebago, I-65, Somewhere between Nashville, and Louisville, 37777, 37222, and M5N-1S8.

Void where prohibited by common sense.

Through the course of this thread I have noticed the usual examples taken from: 'The missionary's Manual for Misdirecting Menaces'.

Abysmal ignorance of the parliamentary system, where voting- and election processes are 'misunderstood'/twisted to the absurd.

Rhetoric about the prefix 'a', leading to the conclusion, that an a-moral person actually is moral, and an a-social person is social.

And not least, if my memory serves me, the example of 'science as filled with holes as a swiss cheese', ofcourse with christianity more than willing to fill out the holes with its 'ultimate truths'.

Just one more necessary digression, and I'll get to the point of this thread. The schizoid pretender-god in the bibles, with his chronic identity crisis and multiple personality syndrome, has invented a nice cover-up for his changing moods, tantrums etc called 'covenants', the last one being the plastic card for cancelling of existential debt, with no paying of mortgages, only interest in the form of grovelling in a new way.

Unfortunately this new covenant only touched on the cöntrol-freak aspect of this schizoid 'god'; the cosmogony from genesis is still intact. And no matter how many covenants are made up, a christianity without genesis would be like a lady of negotiable affections without cosmetics.

And in the present context, the generous offer from christianity to help a lost and insufficient science (suffering from the weakness of admitting to no ultimate truths; as opposed to christianity), the outcoming and complete swiss cheese with specific holes filled by the cosmogony from genesis, will consist of theoretical physics, astronomy, geology and biology on one hand, and on the other of a 6000 year old geocentric universe (where the cheese-holes used to be).

Extremist christians can probably live with that kind of paradoxes (their 'god' is already schizoid, so that constitutes a kind of acceptable universal norm), but in an educational situation this paradoxial dilemma would be greater. The students would wander back and forth between such unreconciliable systems, and the only way to prevent them from being completely confused would be to teach them epistemology already from the first grade.

Let's see, what does the missionary's manual say about this? Here it is, page 319: "Tell the blasphemer, that he's way out of proportion, exaggerating wildly (and remember to add, as always, that HE is the intolerant one, talking away christian privileges, which are god-given).

Strangely enough, this morning listening to our national radio, I heard some comments on an educational experiment in public schools, instigated by our political christians. For years they have whined, begged, threatened and whatever to get christian indoctrination back in the schools. Naturally without success. So instead they settled for what they called:
'Education in life-values', this way hoping to sneak proper holiness in through the backdoor.

As I could gather, the methods used seemed to be something between Hitler-jugend and Mao's red gardists, tearfilled public selfconfessions mixed with moral lectures. The result was children with traumas, angry parents and even conservative politicians denying all knowledge of this.

So I am after all not so far from the mark: Christian influence in public education can only lead to confusion, be it in the area of the rational or the psychological.

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reply to post by The Djin

Which jesus ? Why did yoiu decide to do this ?

Yeshua of the Holy Bible. I was in the United States Air Force for 10 years as an F-16 Crew-Chief. I thought I was a good person, but slowly realized that being nice was not enough to truly be a good person. Therefore, I decided to attend church. Like you, I saw many hypocrites in every church I attended. So I decided to not have a "religion" or be a part of a denomination, but to read the Bible and try to understand it.

The character ywheh / jesus in the bibles insists upon acting in this manner to the point of should an individual reject him/it he would be put to death.

This statement is valid in the Quran, but not in the Holy Bible. Not one verse says that a person must be killed if they do not believe in Jesus. What I think you are talking about is the final judgment in the Book of Revelation. The difference between this and other religions is that it is God whom judges and not man.

Why ? Do you lack friends or something ? Try talking about the weather or vacations perhaps, if people want to know anything about a jesus character they can do the same as you, pick up a book job done.

It is upon me to talk about Jesus Christ to others. I have plenty of friends and why would you say something like that when we are trying to have a extended conversation? Just picking up a Bible does not make anyone a believer, nor will it save them!

If you are referring to the bible character jesus, what sacrifice are you speaking of ? Sacrifice by definition requires a loss, jesus didn't die he was alive again in a couple of days and seeing how he and yawhe are alleged to be one and the same omnipresent being, then he couldn't die.

You are correct. You have to be willing to forgo anything that is worldly in order to understand true love. It is very hard to do this and fall short of this all the time, but I constantly try to live the right way. i.e. I do not get drunk, I try not to use curse words, I try not to lie, I try to be thankful for the things that I have versus being mad about not being able to afford things I want.

They've already made up their minds my friend, not unlike any other kids mine certainly don't listen to me but if you turned up one day trying to convince them that the bible story is real then they would demand evidence.

As we know christianity is alleged by many christians to be based on faith and providing proof (which xtianity fails to do anyhow) would make the faith null and void. So you would probably find my kids rejecting you due to lack of evidence in relation to the veracity of claims and that christianity has nothing to offer that they don't already have in their lives.

I have plenty of evidence that proves the Bible is the Word of God!

Of course there is , "freedom" to think how I please I don't want to live my life with the notion of invisible beings monitoring my every thought that's repugnant !

Basically, you are saying that you are frightened by the thought of something else being able to control what happens to your spirit when you die. True "freedom" is knowing that you will be forever alive by accepting that Jesus died for the sins you have committed.

What makes you think I have "sinned" as you put it ? A better person!!! ? I'm doing pretty ok as I am thank you very much .

Have you ever told a lie, stolen anything, looked at a woman with lust, said the Lords name in vain? Almost every person is guilty of this and if you honestly answered yes to these things, then by your own admition you are a lying blaspheming adulterating thief. People are week in the flesh and I am no different than you. I have done each of those things in my past. However, that is where repentance comes into play. Repenting means to confess your sins and turn away from them. It is hard, but it can be done with discipline.

The are not my laws dude, nevertheless christianity is rooted in the old testament, not a very smart thing to do if your starting a new region. Nevertheless regaqrdless of how much xtians wriggle to get out of it they are absolutely chained to yawhe his mental health and his insane rules.

How can not lying, not cheating on your spouse, not stealing from others, not bearing false witness or not murdering be insane? Of course I did not go further with the other morally sound laws of God because I am sure you get my point.

It's not easy to make me mad my friend, but I would certainly be seriously mad to pick up a bible and start believing what it says. Yes I do apply logic with a hint of reason before making decisions and as there is no evidence for the veracity of bible claims logic and reason would dictate that I reject them.

Just because you cannot explain how God exists does not mean that He does not exist. The world had experienced gravity since the beginning, but they could not explain it. You can feel the wind but you can not see it. You look at a building and know that it took intelligence to design it, but you deny that the natural world around you is not from intelligent design! Nothing in the universe happened by chance. You cannot have order from disorder or information from non-existent information. Being that we are here means there was a beginning and that means there was a cause that created this effect. Basically, it is illogical to believe something came from nothing.

Here is some evidence of Prophecy being fullfilled through Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible:
"
A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. It set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Christ.

The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight such prophecies would be only 1 in 1017. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000.

Stoner claims that that many silver dollars would be enough to cover the face of the entire state of Texas two feet deep. Now I've been to Texas. I've driven for days to get across Texas. Texas is a very big state. Who in his right mind would suppose that a blindfolded man, heading out of Dallas by foot in any direction, would be able, on his very first attempt, to pick up one specifically marked silver dollar out of 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000?
"

If you made it this far, then thank you for reading my replies!

First off I agree with Rev, church and state should not exist together. I am not an atheist, I believe in God. God, quite simply put is everything! You, your cat, dog, the toaster, tires on your car, the moon, universe all of it, everything is God! As far as I’m concerned, everlasting life is coming to you weather you like it or not…Energy cannot be destroyed. When you are no more, your energy will once again flow with all energy until it is focused once again on another event such as the physical existence we muddle through now. The fact that there are people who choose to believe in any sort of “Father Son and Holy Ghost” idea is denying the opportunity to be a glorious, knowledge seeking, evolving part within the energy of God…Everything! When people ask about my beliefs (which is rare) I refer in someway to what I have just stated here. I was born into a Christian family, attended church, Sunday school and my parents attended Bible study classes. Somewhere in my mid twenties, for my own reasons, I put the whole system in the grand recycle bin, clicked “Empty trash” and have never looked back. On a fine May morning in 1955 my little soul may have been caught on the wind and ended up blowing into Muslim country where I would be handed down those beliefs instead. Religion of any sort is handed down from parents to children and so it goes. Then you have the “Born Again” who sort of back engineers my former life☺ All the Born again people I have met in my life had one thing in common, a problem they couldn’t get a handle on that nearly ruined their life but by putting Jesus in the drivers seat, they could, with varying degrees of success, navigate the seemingly hopeless roadmap of life somehow not possible prior to divine intervention. I’ll stress that this only applies to the “Born Again” types I’ve met. The OP has a right to be wary of religious positioning within a structure of power IMHO

reply to post by sara123123


Good point, let me add also, I have never heard of any christians of late who made terrorist attacks on innocent people..Or who car bombed any place.. Have any of you????

Originally posted by christian39
reply to post by sara123123

 

Good point, let me add also, I have never heard of any christians of late who made terrorist attacks on innocent people..Or who car bombed any place.. Have any of you????

I'll place my second line in the first place to illustrate the ridiculosity of the two line rule as a simple name would be quite sufficient to answer your question.

Eric Robert Rudolph.

Ooh ooh wait, here's another, Fred Phelps, well, he's not a bomber, but he is definitely a psychological terrorist. I've seen him at funerals I attended.

reply to post by NoSoup4U


And you...You're another of the evangelicals who have been encroaching in on the military since the Reagan administration. With your obvious anti-Muslim rhetoric. Like anti-semitic ziotards, not all Jews are Zionists, not all Muslims are terrorists. There should be psychological screenings to prevent people with evangelical or fundamentalist religious beliefs of any kind from gaining a security clearance, much less have access to nuclear weapons.

Personally I don't even think you should have had access to the military hardware that you did. I've served alongside your kind in the military and one of your guys got a friend of mine killed with his own blind arrogance in combat and was cold enough to look me in the eye and say that he would have survived if had "plead the blood of Jesus" when he had the chance.

I had to be held back.

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
reply to post by Y2KJMan

 

Any person that believes in imaginary people should not be in a position of power.

well. .that does it for all of americans .. now doesn't ..

2nd

Originally posted by Control
Evangelicals in a nutshell;

"Jesus loves you if you give $5, but he loves you EVEN MORE if you give $500! And for a love gift of only $120 my brothers and sisters, I'll send you a prayer cloth annointed with the sweat forth from my holy brow. Call now, before the End Times arrive 1-800-222-#### or to save your operators time and trouble send check, money order, or your next of kin to The First Church of Gooey Death and Discount House of Worship, care of: Moving Winnebago, I-65, Somewhere between Nashville, and Louisville, 37777, 37222, and M5N-1S8.

Void where prohibited by common sense.

LOL, why is it skeptics always love to rely on the "using the EXCEPTION to define the RULE" fallacy???

Time and time again.

reply to post by NoSoup4U



Sweet. Another 2A3X3 here.