Violence Breaks Out On Student Protest March

reply to post by jazz10


It was to be expected that a tiny minority would act out on this. I'd certainly not rule out that these individuals were aiming exclusively to make a statement to draw publicity on themselves. It will achieve nothing in the longer run and unfortunately, the protest was tarnished heavily because of this.

All the front pages from the Times to the Express have that caption of the glass being kicked in. Suggests to me they achieved the publicity, but nothing more.

Can't for the life of me see a valid argument for throwing fire extinguishers and acting violently here. Or am I missing something? No, I'm not. Bloody apes.

For me, the math is simple : governments are elected by the people, for the people.
Protesting is a right, a safe-guard for when politicians forget who they're supposed to be working for.

I took it to the streets, in my time, in high school, in college, as did many of us before, many after and still to this day. When you look at it, the student fight, the struggle for a better education has allways been the same.

And at the time we thought we won, but they came back with it a few years later, and again, and again.
It just keeps creeping back even while over the years countless people voiced their concern.

It's just like a recurring bad dream.
Because it just doesn't make sense.

In a world where key words are market, competitivity... How come an evolved nation be willing to sacrifice its youth, its Future and still taunt us with competitivity babble.
If they really want to do good and move the country forward, that is not the way.

And still, they'd like us to believe that with all their fancy opinion polls, surveys, proding, probing... they didn't see that coming ?

I'll allways agree that in the wide spectrum of personalities that make up our peoples, there are some that get easily irritated. But then, we all have a threshold. And the worries of the politicians should not be wondering about how far they can push us.

For all action there's an equal and opposite reaction.

Do politicians really think they can take away people's rights that easily ?

I just don't care anymore if its only a dozen truckers causing havoc, or hundreds of millions of people in the streets. The numbers don't count anymore. Results do, like they say.

And someone has got to take a stand.
Like it or hate it, I just think that most of us deep inside know that this is coming.
And it's gonna get ugly before it gets better. And I don't think I can be sorry for a missed missile when I think of the worse case scenarios and put them in context with what else they have planned for us.

So, some kids rampaged an entrance hall, yeaaaaaah tough s**t.
They're only fighting for their future. And so should we.

reply to post by Chrysalis


Goodness knows, I agree with you to a very large extent. I just can't really condone that sort of behaviour on this particular type of protest. It's unacceptable because it won't gain the result the majority are looking for. The cuts in general, maybe, and it would be expected because people's livelihoods, houses, welfare and families are at stake. Some tosser kicking a glass window acting like an ape, what's that seriously going to achieve other than publicity?

I said this last night on the show, in a way, but I'll say it again.

I myself am a student. And the way they've conducted this is just embarrassing. There's no point in resorting to violence, it doesn't solve anything, and it definetely doesn't help the opinion we have in this country of young people.

What started out as a peaceful protest, should (and could) have stayed that way. There's no need for it. Throwing things and abusing the police is just not the way things should be conducted, and definetely not the way to get things done.

And that bird (I'm a woman - I can say it) on BBC Breakfast this morning was an idiot, too.

In my opinion; the whole situation is just seriously embarrassing, and it's never gonna achieve anything.

Originally posted by ThePeopleParty
reply to post by TailoredVagabond

 

We took our selves back to the 1980s by voting torrie.

Now my politics are my business, but that statement was made as a joke wasn't it? Labours proposal was to claim back the money using a 'university tax' (but wouldn't confirm that) and wouldn't be drawn - not once at a leadersip level that was consistently agreed with that they wouldn't cap. In fact if I remember rightly they said they couldn't speak to that given the state of the countries finances. In parliament yesterday, the deputy leader of the opposition seemed to have a lot to shout about but little in the way to say what Labour would have done - although it's always easy to say I told you so when you don't actually have to worry about doing it yourself isn't it.

More to the point, which governmant was in charge when the deficit rose and caused the need for cuts?

The amount of Socialist worker placards in the footage yesterday certainly took me back to the 80s though.

Originally posted by jazz10
reply to post by CX

 

More idiots causing chaos leaving tax payers footing the bill for repairs. Bunch of assholes.
Well done

All of those caught on camera i would prosecute for criminal damage and jail them, the ones that have been caught doing the damage.
Next it'll become terrorist headlines.

Also i would like to point out the ring leaders? Same as the G20 protesters perhaps? Carefully orchestrated.
Is London really part of the UK anymore? Really?

Who are the real idiots? The students or the tax payers, who don't even know who are paying taxes to - someone who doesn't give a sh** about the new generation and what's more - is interested in keeping them dumb?

C'mon, mate, you are on a conspiracy forum - you can't just focus on the effect without looking at the cause! Someone has an interest in riots and the people have had it enough and are easy pray to provocations. It's not the poor students who are the real criminal.

People need to get that demonstrator get voilent because noone listens to them, we must find value in freedom. Just look at the police hitting ruthlessly on the people with NO defense at all.

The police dosent care if you're hurt or not, they just continue smashing you...

Originally posted by Ayana
I said this last night on the show, in a way, but I'll say it again.

I myself am a student. And the way they've conducted this is just embarrassing. There's no point in resorting to violence, it doesn't solve anything, and it definetely doesn't help the opinion we have in this country of young people.

What started out as a peaceful protest, should (and could) have stayed that way. There's no need for it. Throwing things and abusing the police is just not the way things should be conducted, and definetely not the way to get things done.

And that bird (I'm a woman - I can say it) on BBC Breakfast this morning was an idiot, too.

In my opinion; the whole situation is just seriously embarrassing, and it's never gonna achieve anything.

edit on 11/11/2010 by Ayana because: Additions.

That your politically correct side talking, but peaceful demonstrating has never changed anything. Just look at france as an example...

Originally posted by mojito


That your politically correct side talking, but peaceful demonstrating has never changed anything. Just look at france as an example...

Yes peacful protests are fine , and are useful when , the politicians that we have elected actually do their jobs and listen to their candidates and the people who pay them to do a job.

However in the real world , peaceful protests are useful up to a point , and that point is just putting the message out there , getting something done about it requires action , and action in these terms means aggressive force to shock the politicians into decision making.

we only have to look at mainland europe , greece is well known for political unrest and violent protest.

Peaceful or not, protests have never been and never will be a solution. As long as people do not realize that the governments are not working for them it will always have a tragic end. What's more - the people are responsible for the well-being of any government - yes, every single each and every one of us! And its not blood that should be spilled, there are many more ways to stop supporting the governments. But how many of us stop to think about any such way even only for a minute in our everyday lives instead of rambling against the "bad politicians, who are guilty of everything" or the "criminals", who simply not know how to protect their rights?

I see people making remarks saying its stupid making vandilism. That is the answer nowerdays of life. you cannot just stand there with boards and protest in peace, the goverment will look at it and carry on what there doing.
It seems like its ganna be the film called V for vandeta. I strongly agree on vandalism but there are wrong reasons for it tax money and wot not, but we have to face it and keep the rioting on. The only way the goverment will realise is when police and civilians dying on these protest.

Everyone has a right to protest, but no one has the right commit violence without recompense.

For those old enough to remember the miners strikes, they were completely justified to strike and I supported them, although I hated all the violence, eventually it pitted brother against brother and actually split families.

What good did it do....nothing, the parliment still went ahead and closed the pits.

So what is a bunch of deluded snotty nosed kids, out to show off to the partners think they are going to do. This country is very lucky with the way the education system has been and the tuition fees should have gone up years and years ago.

T

reply to post by CX


LETS GO STUDENTS YEA WHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The announced/expected raises of university fees is so outrageously out of
all proportions that civil unrest is almost programmed.

We are talking here about t r i p l i n g fees, not having to work two years
longer after a 40-year work life for pension entitlement like in France.

Education is our future in a globalized world.

To burden a bachelor or master with a loan of about 50 K pounds, when he
starts looking for a job that isn´t hardly waiting for him/her, may be barring
many a student from beginning an academic career.

Who can pay 1,000 pounds back per month out of a starter´s wages ?

Somebody will have to give in irrespective of the lack of money everywhere
in the ministries.

You say peaceful won't work, and it's my 'politically correct side' talking, which is fair enough. But what did smashing in windows and abusing the police achieve? Nowt.

The government aren't gonna listen if they do that. And it's just making people look at students in a more negative way than they already do. Because we know how the media affects people. And it's just ridiculous.

Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by airliebird58
reply to post by Dagar

 

I agree with your post totally. We have a Government front bench, made up of multi millionaires, telling us 'We're all in this together' But of course that's a load of bollocks.
If our dear Government, for instance, pursued big company tax evaders as they do benefit cheats, we would be in a much healthier position for a start!

edit on 10/11/10 by airliebird58 because: Spelling (>. extra DIV

reply to post by jazz10


yeah its amazing how stupid college students are, especially how much they spend to "learn
". i know highschool drop outs with more common sense and intelligence than those morons.

Originally posted by jazz10
:Hmmmm no takers?
No suprise there then. maybe i should start by making a direct appeal to those with all the mouth?
yeah mabey you should..... starting with you!


No one to take a stand on the soap box declaring the truth to the masses? Typical

no one can get near the soap box youve been hogging it all day. what a moron

If that was my son or daughter who had thrown that i would have kicked their arse myself then dragged them down to the police myself

reply to post by jazz10
oh i could well believe that. jesus fu..ing christ with quotes like this we really are screwed. god help us all.

reply to post by Chevalerous


great post chev unfortunatly its above the heads of a few people that are contrbuting to this thread