Violence Breaks Out On Student Protest March

Originally posted by kolcath

If that was my son or daughter who had thrown that i would have kicked their arse myself then dragged them down to the police myself

reply to post by jazz10

 

oh i could well believe that. jesus fu..ing christ with quotes like this we really are screwed. god help us all.

Whats so screwed up about that post? So if you saw your kid almost killing a police officer, you'd do nothing?

Now THATS screwed up!.

If more parents instilled some discipline in their kids, there would have been a peacefull protest there yesterday, not one full of yobs with no real agenda except destroying property and making arses of themselves.

If you're that brave and deprived of attention, why cover your faces up lads?

CX.

Originally posted by jazz10

Originally posted by ScarletNyx
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Rioting, smashing cars, stealing goods and starting fights with the police may make people on the ground feel better, and soothe their hatred towards whatever big shady power that they are rioting against, but in reality the only purpose it serves it to make the ones on the ground look like blood hungry savages, thus damaging their stance on their subject.

There may be a time for violence in some situations, but a protest on a public street near people who have no idea what is going on is certainly not the place.

Exactly the point i was trying to make.
All of this is solely about student fees. The protest has nothing whatsoever to do with anything else.
Some on this thread giving me crap about my views in regard to throwing fire extinguishers off buildings that its bang out of order, yet im getting crap?

Im apparently a hypocrite?
Some people on here giving it all mouth, they talk the talk but they dont walk the walk. Heres a challenge to those who would like to prove me wrong. If a thread was posted here on ATS (which for some ATS is the center of their little universe) to set up a mass global demonstration/protest to get the truth into the open. All topics covered, no stone unturned and make the general public aware of whats really going on in every aspect. Would they even take part?
Naaaaaaah didnt think so.
Because at the end of the day all mouth no action.
Twitter?
Facebook?
All social networking sites? Naaaah to all.

The reason? Because all mouth.
Go on, make your voices heard about everything thats really going on?
Truth is they wont.
They only like to sound good on here but as soon as they log off and turn off they go back to the same old same old.

for your info i was one of those protestors, I AM NOT A STUDENT! but 3 of my kids are. All of this solely about student fees? yes it was, is that not important enough for you? these people were not all students so thats were your stereotypical attitude fails. yes somebody threw a fire extinguisher out of a window, big deal get over it! the police have been far more violent with there batons on many occasions. i can just hear your view on that 1 "well they probably deserved it after all they are only long haired student morons" this disgusting attitude really makes my blood boil. these long haired student morons are worth a million of you sir. yes i am all mouth but i am all action too. this demo was justified and believe me there are many many more planned. so i suggest you put your tin hat on and hide under your bed until people like us take back your country

Whats so screwed up about that post? So if you saw your kid almost killing a police officer

reply to post by CX


kid almost killing a police officer! when and were was this?

Originally posted by kolcath

Originally posted by jazz10

Originally posted by ScarletNyx
reply to post by jazz10

 

Rioting, smashing cars, stealing goods and starting fights with the police may make people on the ground feel better, and soothe their hatred towards whatever big shady power that they are rioting against, but in reality the only purpose it serves it to make the ones on the ground look like blood hungry savages, thus damaging their stance on their subject.

There may be a time for violence in some situations, but a protest on a public street near people who have no idea what is going on is certainly not the place.

Exactly the point i was trying to make.
All of this is solely about student fees. The protest has nothing whatsoever to do with anything else.
Some on this thread giving me crap about my views in regard to throwing fire extinguishers off buildings that its bang out of order, yet im getting crap?

Im apparently a hypocrite?
Some people on here giving it all mouth, they talk the talk but they dont walk the walk. Heres a challenge to those who would like to prove me wrong. If a thread was posted here on ATS (which for some ATS is the center of their little universe) to set up a mass global demonstration/protest to get the truth into the open. All topics covered, no stone unturned and make the general public aware of whats really going on in every aspect. Would they even take part?
Naaaaaaah didnt think so.
Because at the end of the day all mouth no action.
Twitter?
Facebook?
All social networking sites? Naaaah to all.

The reason? Because all mouth.
Go on, make your voices heard about everything thats really going on?
Truth is they wont.
They only like to sound good on here but as soon as they log off and turn off they go back to the same old same old.

for your info i was one of those protestors, I AM NOT A STUDENT! but 3 of my kids are. All of this solely about student fees? yes it was, is that not important enough for you? these people were not all students so thats were your stereotypical attitude fails. yes somebody threw a fire extinguisher out of a window, big deal get over it! the police have been far more violent with there batons on many occasions. i can just hear your view on that 1 "well they probably deserved it after all they are only long haired student morons" this disgusting attitude really makes my blood boil. these long haired student morons are worth a million of you sir. yes i am all mouth but i am all action too. this demo was justified and believe me there are many many more planned. so i suggest you put your tin hat on and hide under your bed until people like us take back your country

I wouldn't normally add to these kind of quotes, but yes you are all mouth. And if the extinguisher had hit one of your children would you have held them as a martyr and been happy they were injured or God help us killed then of course you would have no cause to complain about that would you? I hope your children grow wiser than you.

reply to post by something wicked




Well said

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
If someone smashes a take away window on a council estate for no good reason, then they should be dealt with, if someone smashes a window as an act of frustration, or as a symbolic action against a system that is treating them unfairly or failed then IMO it is totally different.

And this is the double standard I'm alluding to.

Who's to say there's ''no good reason'' for the lad on the council estate doing that ? He may have had poor customer service or disagreed with prices ! Other than that, I'm sure most mindless violence like this is borne out of frustration.

These students doing this are guilty of exactly the same loutish behaviour, but seeing as their stereotype is less negative than that of young men from council estates, they are providing a ''respectable face'' for people to justify their thuggish behaviour.

They are both committing exactly the same crime.

Originally posted by NonKonphormist
There are different reasons for breaking a window, but by your logic, if someone breaks a window to escape a burning buildng then they too should be penalised?

No, because they have a demonstrably valid reason to do so.

Students causing vandalism because they are upset that they'll be personally hit in the pocket, is not a demonstrably valid reason to smash windows.

Some people may believe it's acceptable, but that is down to a matter of opinion, whereas clearly the validity of smashing a window to provide an escape route in a burning building to save lives is not really open for debate.

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
this term and terms like are used constantly by the police and the media and will be used by the prime minister when he comes on talk about this.

its used to try and convince the majority that this was a tiny minority with 'sinister ties' that caused this and most law abiding citizens would never behave like this.

stay calm everybody. stay indoors. we will restore order shortly. do not panic.

Rent-a-mob is the correct term for anybody that latches on to a protest or demonstration with the primary objective of causing trouble.

From what I've seen and heard of this incident, it appears that a lot of the trouble was caused by people who fit this description.

That's not to say that ''law-abiding citizens'' don't get caught up in the heat of the moment, but a lot of this is caused by the troublemakers taking the lead.

You'll be surprised at what some ''law-abiding citizens'' will do when they can get away with it, or when they think the crimes they are committed are somehow more valid because lots of other people around them are doing so.

It's the ''herd mentality''.

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit
hahaha ... so you never react against that sh$$t they put in your face up there ???
we in Europ react, we fight, you in US are sleeping when GWB is playing Big Brother !!!!
is that better for you ????

It may be ''better for me'' if your above comment had any factual accuracy to them.

Unless the UK has changed its geographical location without my knowledge, then I've been residing in Europe for over 20 years.

As previously mentioned, the French ''protests'' achieved absolutely nothing, as in the end, they let their government bend them over and royally roger them.

The ''protesters'' slink back to their State-dependent lives, and did absolutely nothing apart from cause mindless vandalism to innocent people's property.

Protesting doesn't work in modern-day Western countries, and nowhere is that more painfully obvious, than the recent humiliating capitulation of the French demonstrators.

They know they can't bite the hand that feeds them, and they were just letting off steam.

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit
do you want to study or maybe you have 6000 £ to pay for it now instead of 2000 which is already much too much ??? you nice man, you think everybody has 6000 £ to study ??? You did study in the army maybe, paid by us ??? peace, I'm angry because everybody always does not understand the problems of the NORMAL people that have to work hard to pay for study ( kids or themselves ), doctor, healthcare, house .....

I'm sure if I was as student then I wouldn't be too happy at the tuition-fee hike.

I'm sure that they can still get student loans, and won't have to pay them back in full until after they earn a certain salary, which will most likely be achieved by attaining a degree from the course that they are paying towards.

It seems a fair enough system to me, although I agree that the sum is a little bit too steep.


But this recent demonstration was another example of why protest don't really work.

People tend to have an ''I'm allright Jack'' mentality, and only protest when something financially affects them personally.

How many other times have British students protested in any great numbers in recent years, on a matter of social conscience ?

Not too often; but as soon as they think they're going to have to pay more money, then they hit the streets !

It's about time to see young men rise up and be men, yea violence is not 'nice'. Hmmmm violence, there is overt violence like oppression, dumming down the youth, and throwing families out on the street because the wealthy thugs are bullies and yes, commit violence every day; but the other 99% have been being beaten down to submission, to the point of despair, suicide and depression. Violence comes in many forms, so for those who are calling these young men, yes MEN, idiots, I have a question for you: what action are YOU taking to stand up for your families, for the future of your country, or are you just turning the other cheek???

As a woman I am delighted to see 'manhood' in action, something that I was afraid was was beaten out of our young men. If we have to pay additional taxes to make the repairs, then so be it, it is the least we can do to support these young men and women who have the guts to stand by their conviction for liberty and freedom. I just wish our young men and women in this country, United States, would take a lesson from France and now London.

The 'frog is being boiled alive'!!! Come on, get out of the pot!

reply to post by Chevalerous


Thanks for the comment!

Yes, I agree completely with everything you've said in your last post.

And to add one more facet to this huge banksters scam, the UK became bankrupt in 1938. After 70 years of bankruptcy and paying off the interest on the outstanding amounts, the debt is written off.

So - then the banksters would lose the massive interest from the loans, so they have to create an economic crisis to get the countries back in huge debt again. When did the seventy years run out? 2008!!!

My take on violence is that it should only ever be used as a last resort.

Having said that, I still believe there is a very high possibility that agents provocateurs were involved.

This increasing use of these agents provocateurs tells us that they WANT us to be violent, because that will give them the excuse to crack down even more, reduce freedoms even more.

When they just won't listen to people, or when we have no longer any real channel for our voice, we MUST make them listen, but there are many ways to do this via civil action which do not involve violence and which I believe are likely to be more effective.

Peaceful Protests + Violence = COINTELPRO Tactics by MI6

Dont blame the students! This is a common tactic used all the time, the world over. It only take a few to start the ball rolling!

Just one point to make.....David Cameron says, "we are going to throw the full weight of the law at the perpetrators".
Is that before his government has sacked 40,000 Police officers and Closed 13 Prisons..........Just wondered..... the guy's a Muppet.

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by kolcath

Originally posted by jazz10

Originally posted by ScarletNyx
reply to post by jazz10

 

Rioting, smashing cars, stealing goods and starting fights with the police may make people on the ground feel better, and soothe their hatred towards whatever big shady power that they are rioting against, but in reality the only purpose it serves it to make the ones on the ground look like blood hungry savages, thus damaging their stance on their subject.

There may be a time for violence in some situations, but a protest on a public street near people who have no idea what is going on is certainly not the place.

Exactly the point i was trying to make.
All of this is solely about student fees. The protest has nothing whatsoever to do with anything else.
Some on this thread giving me crap about my views in regard to throwing fire extinguishers off buildings that its bang out of order, yet im getting crap?

Im apparently a hypocrite?
Some people on here giving it all mouth, they talk the talk but they dont walk the walk. Heres a challenge to those who would like to prove me wrong. If a thread was posted here on ATS (which for some ATS is the center of their little universe) to set up a mass global demonstration/protest to get the truth into the open. All topics covered, no stone unturned and make the general public aware of whats really going on in every aspect. Would they even take part?
Naaaaaaah didnt think so.
Because at the end of the day all mouth no action.
Twitter?
Facebook?
All social networking sites? Naaaah to all.

The reason? Because all mouth.
Go on, make your voices heard about everything thats really going on?
Truth is they wont.
They only like to sound good on here but as soon as they log off and turn off they go back to the same old same old.

for your info i was one of those protestors, I AM NOT A STUDENT! but 3 of my kids are. All of this solely about student fees? yes it was, is that not important enough for you? these people were not all students so thats were your stereotypical attitude fails. yes somebody threw a fire extinguisher out of a window, big deal get over it! the police have been far more violent with there batons on many occasions. i can just hear your view on that 1 "well they probably deserved it after all they are only long haired student morons" this disgusting attitude really makes my blood boil. these long haired student morons are worth a million of you sir. yes i am all mouth but i am all action too. this demo was justified and believe me there are many many more planned. so i suggest you put your tin hat on and hide under your bed until people like us take back your country

I wouldn't normally add to these kind of quotes, but yes you are all mouth. And if the extinguisher had hit one of your children would you have held them as a martyr and been happy they were injured or God help us killed then of course you would have no cause to complain about that would you? I hope your children grow wiser than you.

i deal in fact! what ifs are for sniviling cowardly bedwetters that hide behind a computer screen condeming actions of people actually doing something. all mouth indeed! where were you when it all kicked off? nitpicking people efforts of action i expect. get a life and grow a pair!

Its narrow minded arseholes that will get ATS shut down for aggrivating and promoting violence I support the protests that don't cause injury to people I'm not backing anyone who is the other.
Maybe they should go back to primary to learn the basics about civilized behavior its obvious the moneyy or funding that was spent was wasted on the few.
Degrees? Don't make me laugh!!

The moderators should ban everyone condoning this pathetic behaviour.
You don't even realize that they are all over the internet right now?
Protest by all means but rioters deserve what they get.

I hope the moderators read through this thread and take appropriate action!!!

Originally posted by jazz10
Its narrow minded arseholes that will get ATS shut down for aggrivating and promoting violence I support the protests that don't cause injury to people I'm not backing anyone who is the other.
Maybe they should go back to primary to learn the basics about civilized behavior its obvious the moneyy or funding that was spent was wasted on the few.
Degrees? Don't make me laugh!!

The moderators should ban everyone condoning this pathetic behaviour.
You don't even realize that they are all over the internet right now?
Protest by all means but rioters deserve what they get.

I hope the moderators read through this thread and take appropriate action!!!

really!.......what a pathetic post

reply to post by kolcath


Pathetic maybe but here's to hoping your replies are numbered.
Here's an idea for you at your next protest that will do a whole lot of good,

Go in fancy dress will ya as a fire extinguisher?

Pathetic maybe but here's to hoping your replies are numbered

reply to post by jazz10


well at least you admitted it. and getting a slap on the wrist dont bother me. take my critisim like iv taken yours, shouting for the mods are we.......what a blubberer.

Go in fancy dress will ya as a fire extinguisher?

now that would be a bit silly wouldnt it? a bit like some of your comments

reply to post by kolcath

Like I've said about 10 times or more on this thread protest by all means good on you and the rest, however imho I would maybe make the line that seperates a protest and a riot a bit more visible for the muppets that ruined the efforts of those genuinely making a point.
I'm not going to condone what I've already stated previously as I stand by what I said. I also stand by what I said in regard to the arsehole throwing the extinguisher, if it was one of my kids they would be in custody right now.
Maybe that's me being a bit of a cowards or whatever it was you said but guess what, my kids will grow up to know a lot better.
They won't be involved in knife crime muggings etc because I've educated my children to have respect for others they stick in at school and I'm happy with that. To be honest I would rather have them grow up knowing the difference between right and wrong than having qualifications and no morals.

As regarding the mods? Well.... I can't be the only one here that thinks that the actions were bang out of order but hey even if I was the only one on this site that thinks its wrong I'll still stand by what I believe.

You've basically come on this thread stating you were part of it and that there's more to come but that's what I call #ting in your own nest because the next protest/riot that escallates and people are injured or killed (touch wood they're not) will you stand by what you say.
Can't you understand where I'm coming from here?
At all?
When football hooligans go on the rampage whats the difference to what happened the other day?