Violence Breaks Out On Student Protest March

reply to post by Dagar


Nice rant mate - well said

reply to post by colin42


We climb a very narrow ledge here Colin; Violence and acting out is part of any true revolutionary change. History attests to this - whether it is a tea tax, peasants rising up against the richer, different governments coming into being.

However, today revolutionary violence is seen as "brazen", and people argue too much in favor of ballots and electing new people to posts without showing their numbers, as has been done for thousands of years before the invention of the Net, which is supposed to allow us to be more civilized in reconciling our matters. We forget that violence can be targeted - attacking a building and only doing MINIMAL damage that hurts NO ONE to show that your group physically hates the idea.

I am more for burning effigies or having "fun" with the idea ( make a piñata that stands for overspending, and burst it open to reveal taxpayer "dollar" candy? Political art? ) than taking to the streets in the old ways and pillaging - we have too many people to show the new way to alienate them in any sort of way with brash, harsh violence.

The language of fun slips past many barriers, while hateful actions only fuel hate. I would love to see these protesters lighten up a bit in the face of such a serious problem, as if to say " We know you're serious, Mr. Idea, but we will not fall prey to your fear." Pillow fights full of money dressed like their targets! Something!

Originally posted by jazz10

Originally posted by Yissachar1

Violence works
Being a namby pamby coward with a placard and a slogan does not.

Even Ghandi had to endure violence, only this time we are fighting the same enemy he did who go beyond violence to violating our childrens future, their minds through the media, zombiefying us all with drugs and lies then denying us education to keep us down thus their power is preserved..

So violence works?

Peacefull protesters are namby pamby cowards?
as for the rest wheres the evidence? zombiefying us all? Thats a pretty big statement to make considering you have no proof thats accepted.

So today while you were watching those select few of assholes mainly the one throwing the extinguisher of the roof you were not disgusted at all?
My God have mercy on us all thats all i can say. The next time may not be as fortunate as to miss.

Do you not even read this site? Drugs, do a search.. Untested swine flu jab anyone? That has also been added to the normal flu shot. Flouride in our water? Makes you compliant. The media that has also dumbed us all down and influences and controls opinion?

You have obviously bought the whole lot. What good is ATS to you?

Those assholes have a right to be very pissed off! Not only will they be priced out of education but will have to pay a debt they did not make to people who did in order to keep them in porche's and power..

That does not even cover those who are about to be put on the dole.. Then they have the neck to brand those they put on the dole wasters and scum.. AND any new job is mostly taken by immigrants..

There will be blood..

You may not like it. Only a fool would.. But its necessary

Yissachar1

With that. I am with you

Dagar

I agree

Oh dear Merigold

We don’t have the American dream here, Some states in the world are often called different countries.

Your replies seem to drift a bit. Have I got the wrong bloke or was it you that described being in debt due to the birth of your daughter?

Wasn’t it you that described being one pay check away from being homeless?

Sorry if I have the wrong person but you are defending the same culture. I am not impressed. You live under the banner of These United States of America and yet seem divided socially in many if not all aspects of your lives.

In a time when we need to work together that is a very bad place to be.

reply to post by colin42


lol

You must have me confused with someone else

Firstly, I live in the UK. I am a contributing tax payer. When I talk about the "American" dream I mean something beyond geography. I am talking about an ideal that is spreading like a disease amongst the whole world now. That dream that YOU too can be rich, just sell your soul to the corporations, neglect your family so you can WORK HARD, and let your brain go to cheese by consuming the crap media that's on offer.

Originally posted by colin42
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

I hope you looked to the ground whilst looking for a job so as not to offend your betters.

Really some of the views on this topic and out of order attacks on you, on a site that denys ignorance and wants to open eyes to the workings of TPTB

Education in a free democracy is a right and benifits all within it. Even the selfish, self centred ones unfortunately.

College education is no more a right than a drivers license. It is something that should be available and made so people who wish to attand can attend but at no cost is asking too much. Why stop there, why not free food, free gas, free tickets to the show? We "Need" food to function so why isn't it free? We need transportation to get to work so why isn't it free? I can go on. Bottom line is college is not a need, it is a desire. A desire which is attainable by everyone through student loans or hard work and savings.

The cost of our local university just went up too but you don't see students tearing up property. There are much more effective ways in a situation like this to get your point across. Peacefull demonstration is one way. Destruction of property is bully tactics and the offenders should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

reply to post by ScarletNyx


ScarletNyx

I am not going to argue with your reply. Just remind you Mandela was a hated rebel, the Americans were regarded the same way. It is history that make them saints or sinners.

I am active within my union and we try to cooperate with the bosses and only require a fair share and safe working conditions.

Sometimes though we are forced to consider withdrawing labour which is regarded akin to treason in the UK today. On the other hand the bankers have threatened to take their business off shore if we dare make them pay their share and our politicians are on their knees begging for forgiveness.
Sometimes robust action is the only way

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Dantas
You are grasping at straws here. Give a man a fish and he eats today. Teach him to fish and he eats everyday.

That you believe education is of no more importance than a driving license sums your views up pretty well and negates any need to respond to the rest of your thread.

reply to post by Dantas


I'm not asking for free education. I'm paying over £3k a year on average - I'm not even protesting for myself. My little sister is a talented little girl, she's brilliantly artistic and very bright but unfortunately she'll acquire THREE times more debt than i will when she decides to go to university.

The majority of the protests are not for free education, but they're against the trebling of fee's.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Also - I'm LOOKING for work. Handed in dozens of CV's, walked up and down streets asking in every garage, shop and take away i can find. So it's not like i'm sponging or asking for the government for anything...

Except a job.

reply to post by Dantas


I and many who also fought for this country in its wars will tell you that education is a fundemental right!

If you dont work you dont eat, but if the tools to better yourself are taken then what do you do?

REBEL!

I have spilt blood for this country and watched friends spill theirs, i will NOT let their sacrifice be forgotten or amount to nothing by a bunch of traitors.. We fought so that our kids could have a future free of oppression and could work for their ambitions, but they would stop that.

However it is they that will be stopped.

The people should never be scared by its government but the government should be scared of the people because its the people who employ THEM not the other way around.

The buck does not stop with the PM but with us.. They seem to have forgot that.

Time for a reminder!

reply to post by colin42


And your course of action is exactly what you should do, and I applaud you for using one of the first tools given to any worker, your time, effectively to further your cause!

One of the problems here, in America at least, is that not enough people take your course. Case in point, my last job we worked without a contract for about 5 months, and when I had left that job they still did not have a working contract. All of this despite ample time to apply for rallies, demonstrations, and all of this being within the right of American workers. No one took up the cause. Bluntly, in my mind, they were lazy, and did not really "want" it. Over here, we are getting too dependent on the machine to supply us with everything that we will not even fight for our jobs! I do not want this kind of mental outlook to spread to other parts of the world is all, and I will fight that tide with everything I have and any way I can.

I hope your cause is wrapped up soon, and in your favor!

I think the whole thing is and was staged. Check out the thread board theres another possible missile?
wtf is going on.
Also a s Korean ship sinking and also a cruise ship having trouble. Hence pre recording?
Protests seem to be a way of focusing the masses eyes else where.
Laters.

reply to post by ScarletNyx


Thanks Scarlet for your words. As you have found apathy is universal and making excuses to do nothing is not unusual. You just have to stick at it.

To Mr. Lizard

I and anyone else that has been in your position know exactly how you feel. My one piece of advice I can give is what you are doing, keep going and dont loose the faith. Work like life goes in circles. Hopefully sooner than later your'll be on the upward curve.

reply to post by Dagar


I agree with your post totally. We have a Government front bench, made up of multi millionaires, telling us 'We're all in this together' But of course that's a load of bollocks.
If our dear Government, for instance, pursued big company tax evaders as they do benefit cheats, we would be in a much healthier position for a start!

Originally posted by colin42

To Mr. Lizard

I and anyone else that has been in your position know exactly how you feel. My one piece of advice I can give is what you are doing, keep going and dont loose the faith. Work like life goes in circles. Hopefully sooner than later your'll be on the upward curve.

Thankyou, much appreciated

reply to post by Namaste1001


I agree what the libs are doing is discusting soo roll on people about time some one done somthing!

reply to post by jibeho

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

It is different here. Your system is failing along with other models in the EU and we have a President who thinks it would be great to have the same system in a country larger than the European continent. The writing is on the wall and our president can't see it let alone even read it. A system like that would cripple the US that is already mired in international debt. and out of control entitlement programs as it is.

Basically we are all poked. I see what's happening today in London and what has been happening in France, Greece, Spain etc and I don't want to see that here.

Good luck. Hope none of the protesters or innocent bystanders get hurt. You are all playing with fire and a powder keg.

jibeho, You're living up to the typical stereotype of the know-it-all Yank. I've been living in the UK for the last 30 years showing the people that know me that not all Yanks have their heads stuck up their backsides. They could be forgiven for thinking that I'm an exception.

For your information, the university system here is not failing just like the NHS isn't failing nor any of the other socialised services on offer. What's happening is that successive governments since Maggie Thatcher have chosen to privatise as many services as possible and underfund the rest mainly in line with pressure from the IMF and World Bank. The only exceptions were the MPs pay, benefits and expenses. The systems that are underfunded are creaking due to lack of support, not because of any inherent flaws.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

Also - I'm LOOKING for work. Handed in dozens of CV's, walked up and down streets asking in every garage, shop and take away i can find. So it's not like i'm sponging or asking for the government for anything...

Except a job.

Sign up with a Polish recruitment agency, seems to work for them

reply to post by Yissachar1


Education is important but higher education, ie. college is not a right. You the right to attend college if you can pay for it. I never said I agreed with the cost rising and in fact it sounds like they are giving you guys the shaft which would anger me too but i certainly don't agree with the violence and destruction of property. Why not protest together by sitting out the next semester. The schools would have zero income and therefore would be forced to lower prices. It's like a baby throwing a tantrum with this violence. It's just gonna piss people off that could help you.

reply to post by Dantas


In uk, college or 6th form, is until 18 and you do not have to pay for it. Its university that you pay for in grants and loans or what ever.