Mysterious Missile Launch Over California - 11/8/2010

reply to post by Phage

I believe they provide occasional position reports when out of radar range.

Yes. On those routes, in particular, anchored between the US west coast, and Hawai'i (very busy, heavily travelled) about every other waypoint is "mandatory" for position reporting. (Looking at aeronautical charts, the waypoints (also called intersections, from days way back) are depicted by a triangle shape. An "empty" triangle is non-compulsory. If it's filled in solid color, then it is compulsory reporting point.

If you can see the Pacific Charts that cover those routes, you would see better (skyvector doesn't seem to thave them). USAir 808 was on the what we call the "foxtrot" route (R-578 technically), but we say "fox" because al lthe waypoints start with the letter 'F'. You can see the coast in point is 'FICKY'.

Monday's flight plan routing: MKK4 FITES R578 FICKY C1177 SXC TRM BLH GEELA3

"MKK4" is a departure procedure from HNL. Rest is routing, "SXC" is the Catalina VOR, "TRM" the Thermal (Calif) VOR, "BLH" is Blythe (Calif) VOR and "GEELA3" is an arrival (STAR) into PHX.

Simple.

www.skyvector.com...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by drphilxr

 

The times are Eastern Standard times, 5:00PM California time is 8:00PM Eastern time.

Aircraft are not tracked by radar all the way across the Pacific. I believe they provide occasional position reports when out of radar range.

edit on 11/10/2010 by Phage because: (no reason given)

my bad, forgot to convert to west coast pst.

WAIT A MINUTE...5:50 pm PST = 8:50 EST...n'est pas?

The LAX radar was not tracking flight 808 then, it had flown into AZ (KPHX) airspace....!!!
(in fact, USA808 seems to have landed)





08:25PM 33.54 -114.46 103° East 521 600 29,700 -2,700 Los Angeles Center
08:26PM 33.49 -114.21 104° East 525 604 25,900 -1,920 Albuquerque Center
08:27PM 33.45 -114.05 102° East 511 588 25,000 -480 Albuquerque Center
08:28PM 33.43 -113.90 98° East 491 565 25,000 -120 Albuquerque Center
08:29PM 33.41 -113.77 98° East 486 559 24,800 -1,500 Albuquerque Center
08:30PM 33.39 -113.59 100° East 468 539 22,100 -2,280 Albuquerque Center
08:31PM 33.37 -113.45 98° East 443 510 20,300 -1,800 Albuquerque Center
08:32PM 33.35 -113.31 100° East 426 490 18,500 -1,920 Albuquerque Center
08:33PM 33.33 -113.17 99° East 421 484 16,500 -2,040 Albuquerque Center
08:34PM 33.32 -113.04 96° East 409 471 14,500 -1,380 Albuquerque Center
08:37PM 33.28 -112.69 77° East 349 402 11,000 -1,080 Albuquerque Center

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Good night everyone - sleep tight.

reply to post by boondock-saint


good point and analysis.....I might add that when you see a two engine or four engine contrail in cruise flight, it is easy to distinguish the individual engine contrail merging into a single contrail......even from a distance. Contrail volume and size is dependent on engine output and ambient temp at altitude. This seems quite large, even for a four engine aircraft at ambient pacific air temps at this point.

Originally posted by orangepeel
Hi everybody, I am a long time lurker of this website and read topics all the time. This particular topic made me join ATS so I can feel better knowing im a part of the discussion instead of just an outsider. After reading about 50 pages -give or take- about this missile/rocket I wanted to ask, as I'm sure its been posted but just hard to find amongst all these pages; has anybody noticed in some of the videos when its darker you can clearly see bright flashes from the rear of the object? It totally looks like a rocket propelled object . Also another thing I notice is that the "contrail" is in a cylinder shape and is all by its lonesome. Contrails from commercial airplanes do not consist of one smoke trail but at least 2 and 4 trails because of there being more than one engine. Now that I think of it perhaps it could of been an fighter jet in a hurry... But anyway, I wanted to put some input into this and find one of these so called "experts" and slap them for saying its a plane. I learned about the whole illusion of distance and things looking like their coming at you when I was like 7 in art class, obviously the higher ups think were all 7 year olds and will say " gosh darnit your right!" but I'm sure of the hundreds of thousands of people who drive home on a daily occurrence from work in LA, that this would of been a big deal years ago because all these people would see it. The pilot of the news helicopter obviously thought it wasnt an airplane and I would assume hes been in the LA area a long time and has seen these types of things that this seemed like something new. ...

I posted a loop of this that I uploaded to Youtube. It is contained in my post at the top of page 67. Here is the loop:

Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
I may be a little late, but here's a loop I made of the "stages firing", or whatever you want to call it. Light reflecting off the "plane" or whatever. I created a youtube account a few minutes ago just for this clip.

edit on 11/9/2010 by this_is_who_we_are because: typo

reply to post by boondock-saint


Don't know if it was already posted but RT (Russian Television) stated that Russian
Military experts say it was a submarine launched ballastic missle.
Wow, many people posting at the same time! I hit the post reply button and it shows
up at the bottom of the next page

Originally posted by Plan2exist18
Planes do not shoot straight upwards:

What about these two then?

Orange County Dec 31 2009

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This is another one from Laguna Beach

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I suppose you will tell me those are missiles too?

reply to post by boondock-saint


Your right, We should move on from the Airplane theory, this is a missle.
So now that we're 99% sure its a missle,

To me, it's very likely it was a retaliation Missle launched by the Navy,
what I'm waiting for Its the Witnesses from the Cruse Liner, so they can
tell us what really happen to the cruise Liner,

This report claims a Satellite spotted an EMP event from a chiness SUB
www.whatdoesitmean.com...

The Cruse liner witness will return on thursday, Cant wait for all the
videos or testimonies of people freaked out, claiming how they heard a Loud boom,
then they noticed their watches, cell phones PDA's stopped working, the EMP could
have started the engine room fire.

With the US president in India, this could very well have been a TEST by the Chiness
a message, The US is about to Print another 600 billion dollars, with China owning a big
part of the debt. The US is covering this UP since they dont wanna escalate the situation

reply to post by zorgon

Amicus, no well-logical proofs were put out after it Just look at the situation: we can see only one contrail that means jet was too far, eh? but why so noticeable bright point at the front???????

Originally posted by Mr. D
Don't know if it was already posted but RT (Russian Television) stated that Russian
Military experts say it was a submarine launched ballastic missle.

don't missiles have rockets on them
to make them propel?

the rocket would explain the
exponential heat signature.

reply to post by zorgon


Zorgon, try to understand is not an contrail, the smoke is much thicker, the heat source on the tip, NO airPlane records at the time on its location,

we need everyone concentrated on ruling out what really happen to the Cruise Liner?

ZORGON What else could they be?

The second line!!!!

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


If they have no evidence of planes being in the area, and it this was a plane, every single one of us better run for the hills because the security in this country has dropped quicker than the economy!

I do not think it was a plane, but if I did the last thing I would be calling the FAA and NORAD is smart.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by drphilxr

 

The times are Eastern Standard times, 5:00PM California time is 8:00PM Eastern time.

Aircraft are not tracked by radar all the way across the Pacific. I believe they provide occasional position reports when out of radar range.

edit on 11/10/2010 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Messieure (bactero)phage - did you notice that said flight 808 had landed by the time

the live video was shot? I used your data. It seems to check out...?

reply to post by boondock-saint


Either a rocket or a missile would have a heat source.
It looks liquid fueled to me judging by the vapor density.

I want to know what Phage has to say about my reasoning concerning the vapor trail kinks due to the surface winds.

Does anyone have any thoughts about that?

I havent seen that aspect brought up yet.

reply to post by drphilxr


What was the Pacific Standard Time when the video was shot?

Edit: Note the timeof sunset on Maonday, 8 Novermber was 1654 PST.

www.sunrisesunset.com...,%20California;118.2;34;-8;1&month=11&year=2010&time_type=0

Ooops...go to www.sunrisesunset.com... find Los Angeles, and click on calendar....

Originally posted by mandoSD2012
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

Your right, We should move on from the Airplane theory, this is a missle.
So now that we're 99% sure its a missle,

To me, it's very likely it was a retaliation Missle launched by the Navy,
what I'm waiting for Its the Witnesses from the Cruse Liner, so they can
tell us what really happen to the cruise Liner,

This report claims a Satellite spotted an EMP event from a chiness SUB
www.whatdoesitmean.com...

The Cruse liner witness will return on thursday, Cant wait for all the
videos or testimonies of people freaked out, claiming how they heard a Loud boom,
then they noticed their watches, cell phones PDA's stopped working, the EMP could
have started the engine room fire.

With the US president in India, this could very well have been a TEST by the Chiness
a message, The US is about to Print another 600 billion dollars, with China owning a big
part of the debt. The US is covering this UP since they dont wanna escalate the situation

Report is by Sorcha Faal..............

She/he/"it" is a renowned internet hoaxer. Do not believe anything Sorcha writes about

Rather than discuss who launched the missile, we discuss whether it was a missile....


If the Navy did it, why? Why keep it a secret? Unless this missile was gong to be tracked by the Chinese, or other countries (and our Navy knew it), and there was something spectacular about its range, why launch it that close to our own shores?

Can any expert here, and there seems to be a few.....
tell us where the missile went?
NO, of course you can't. You are "local" bullies that pretend you know more than you do. You rely on SOURCES you trust. but these sources can't give you any real specifics. Oh, except it was flight 808 or some other nonsense.

Was it China? Maybe. But that is what we should be talking about here. Who launched it?

We have a new "cold" war with fruitless but potentially 'live" launches with payload and a target. Has anyone here considered that? The consequences of that?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
More and more, it looks as though we will never hear the truth from the government on this incident.

Well if the government says "It was a missile" you would consider that the government is telling the truth?

But if the government says "Its and airplane" they must be lying through their teeth?

Does that not seem totally ludicrous to you?

:shk:

Of course the situation you drew up seems ludicrous!

But for arguments sake can we stick to the facts...instead of the "I think this based on no evidence" statements.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by boondock-saint

 

"Spectral analysis"? From a compressed video screen shot?

"Heat source?" What are you talking about? You can't be serious.

You might be able to do some analysis in visible wavelengths, but not infrared as boondock suggests.

It's not a sound analysis to claim a visible wavelength video can show infrared heat sources.

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by Mr. D
Don't know if it was already posted but RT (Russian Television) stated that Russian
Military experts say it was a submarine launched ballastic missle.

don't missiles have rockets on them
to make them propel?

the rocket would explain the
exponential heat signature.

Some do, some don't. Seeing that they think it was launched from a
sub I'd say solid fuel but that is just a guess on my part.

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