Mysterious Missile Launch Over California - 11/8/2010

Originally posted by orangepeel
Hi everybody, I am a long time lurker of this website and read topics all the time. This particular topic made me join ATS so I can feel better knowing im a part of the discussion instead of just an outsider. After reading about 50 pages -give or take- about this missile/rocket I wanted to ask, as I'm sure its been posted but just hard to find amongst all these pages; has anybody noticed in some of the videos when its darker you can clearly see bright flashes from the rear of the object? It totally looks like a rocket propelled object . Also another thing I notice is that the "contrail" is in a cylinder shape and is all by its lonesome. Contrails from commercial airplanes do not consist of one smoke trail but at least 2 and 4 trails because of there being more than one engine. Now that I think of it perhaps it could of been an fighter jet in a hurry... But anyway, I wanted to put some input into this and find one of these so called "experts" and slap them for saying its a plane. I learned about the whole illusion of distance and things looking like their coming at you when I was like 7 in art class, obviously the higher ups think were all 7 year olds and will say " gosh darnit your right!" but I'm sure of the hundreds of thousands of people who drive home on a daily occurrence from work in LA, that this would of been a big deal years ago because all these people would see it. The pilot of the news helicopter obviously thought it wasnt an airplane and I would assume hes been in the LA area a long time and has seen these types of things that this seemed like something new. ...

Thank you for pointing that out welcome to ATS.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Currently still being towed by 2 mexican tugs - very slowly - with the carrier USS Ron Reagan in escort.

Supposedly arriving in San Diego within 24 hours, and if progress is not good enough, the alternative

mexican port (enceladas - or similar?).

Only read one story - and there are MANY - of a passenger calling work, but nothing unusual SO FAR....

i believed he called using shipboard communications reserved for the bridge.

no cell calls are getting out or in.

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
A foreign power launched a missile within our boundary waters to show us they had the ability.

PERIOD.

You can twist it, you can smokescreen it, you can do whatever you want.

The FACT remains the same, a missile with ballistic trajectory was launched within our boundary waters.

Oh well, the sheep will bleet all the way home.

Sorry to tell you this folks, ballistic missiles are NOT that hard to make. My neighbors kid launches 5 mile rockets all the time. He has one that is about 10' high. Whoopdy doo.

Get over it. This was a message. If you do not understand it, there are those that do.

Since the beginning I think US launched that missile (that's why they don't say anything, so we talk about it worldwide, we speculate)

The, when Obama will be back, they will held a country responsible for it.

That explains everything because there is no way they don't know what it was. If that was a plane, they would have say it long ago. If that was a missile launch by another country, they would not have say there was no concern for safety and Obama would be back.

There's only one logical option left : A missile launched by the US so it looks like from another country (explain why they don't shut the rumors)

reply to post by Stewie


If it was a "missile", and only ~35 miles off the coast, then not only would the Los Angeles TRACON have seen it (on radar) but as it "climbed" the Los Angeles ARTCC (radar again) would also have seen it.

So? Nothing on radar. What does that mean? No missile.

reply to post by mobtek


I'm a huge fan of Kaku but lately hes been a TV/media whore.....He's a very credible man who would never risk his image and credibility by taking a conspiracy theorists side.....So I dont think hes saying what he really wants to say...

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Stewie

 

If it was a "missile", and only ~35 miles off the coast, then not only would the Los Angeles TRACON have seen it (on radar) but as it "climbed" the Los Angeles ARTCC (radar again) would also have seen it.

So? Nothing on radar. What does that mean? No missile.

The military, FFA and NORAD haven't proved it was a plane either...

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by SarK0Y
more possible, that was accidental launch of US missile

It was a passenger jet. US Air flight 808.

No it was not and also there aren't passengers coming forward to be admitting it

You skeptics really do have mind closed

Not even NORAD showed any proof it was an airline either.

Originally posted by Stewie
It was a missile. ATS is so funny, the obvious just isn't good enough.
The question is, who launched it? Even in our own government, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, and they all blame the other hand.
I am thinking it was our Navy. I could be wrong, but an aircraft?
Give me a break. If members here can't see the obvious, ATS is just another adolescent, nerd herd.

It's not about the obvious, it's about gathering information and evidence, and then coming to a reasonable conclusion, there is no need to insult ATS members because not all of us choose to believe that everything that goes on in the world is all a conspiracy, its about the TRUTH, and getting to that TRUTH by using whatever resources are at our disposal.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
More and more, it looks as though we will never hear the truth from the government on this incident.

Well if the government says "It was a missile" you would consider that the government is telling the truth?

But if the government says "Its and airplane" they must be lying through their teeth?

Does that not seem totally ludicrous to you?

:shk:

reply to post by drphilxr

Calculating ETAs is one thing. Recording actual flight data is another. Flightaware provides the data recorded at the ground stations tracking the flights.

Yes, it is accurate.
flightaware.com...

Originally posted by klarkowski67

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by drphilxr

 

The FAA has said that there were no unusual radar contacts or pilot reports of anything unusual.

I drive PCH every night after work. I saw it and have seen other launches like it. This one was different because there wasn't the usual greenish wacky trail left behind. (from the spiral and sun reflections) I thought it was just another launch from Point Mugu and or the military Island just between Catalina & Channel Islands. Strange that everyone is claiming "swamp gas" on this one.

My sister lives in the 'BU and her hubby drives PCH too every day - they didn't see it, but that doesn't surprise me either! Glad you did.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

No it wasn't by now people from the 808 flight would come on the news and admit it was there plane, sorry to say but even your beloved experts seem to be lying on the news about the claim that it was a plane, they look very uneasy.

So please tell me how the passengers would know their plane is leaving a contrail that looks like it is rising up from the horizon?

Come on...that is just silly.

Originally posted by drphilxr
yes, i imagine the passengers of a jet can not visualize their own contrails, correct.

however, passengers in a jet at altitude at the same time and general area of another rising/ flying

'missile like' object may have something to report....there were 2 objects flying in the original video!

I see, so you're arguing this shows there was no missile because passengers would have come forward if they saw smoke trails coming up from the water, but the reason they aren't saying anything is because the only thing there was to see were contrails at altitude from other planes, and they didn't see anything coming up from the water, right?

reply to post by weedwhacker

Weed, you are just TOO gullible.
What else is there to say that T&C wouldn't give me a 'warn' for?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by drphilxr

 

Calculating ETAs is one thing. Recording actual flight data is another. Flightaware provides the data recorded at the ground stations tracking the flights.

Yes, it is accurate.
flightaware.com...

thankyou, my searching wasn't as productive, and that looks like good radar data.
surprised though at this - or is it surprising there are long time gaps in the data?

Look here:
04:49PM 24.42 -144.98 66° East 468 539 37,000 Oakland Oceanic (ODAPS)
05:40PM 27.00 -138.20 69° East 457 526 37,000 Oakland Oceanic (ODAPS)
07:27PM 31.18 -123.27 76° East 448 516 37,000 Los Angeles Center

This object was sighted close to the 540 pm time.

Where was it for almost 1 hr before then?

And there is an even longer gap following, before LAX radar picks it up.
Is THAT accurate enough?

This is modestly intriguing, no?

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Stewie

 

If it was a "missile", and only ~35 miles off the coast, then not only would the Los Angeles TRACON have seen it (on radar) but as it "climbed" the Los Angeles ARTCC (radar again) would also have seen it.

So? Nothing on radar. What does that mean? No missile.

Another good point from the whacker of weed, and I would like to add to that........visual sightings, if that thing was going straight up into the air it would have been visible for miles! How come only the camera crew spotted it?

reply to post by Stewie


Not "gullible". EXPERIENCED.

Big difference.

reply to post by weedwhacker


So they saw nothing huh, well i guess it was not flight 808 then....

I guess it was just a mirage,, after all and everyone is...confused.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
You skeptics really do have mind closed

I have been called many things on ATS...

But being called a skeptic is a new one

It is painfully obvious that very few in this thread care about the truth. All they want is their version of it, no matter how silly they look.

I bet you didn't even look at the photos of the other two contrails I posted that look EXACTLY like the video

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Aisling
Why didn't they show this on CNN or FOX? Rather than continue reporting that the Pentagon doesn't know what it is?

Because it draws in viewers to keep a good story going...

But I think the News media is over doing it. I don't think they realise how this is effecting people..

or do they?

I'm not sure. I think I'm going to sit on the fence for awhile.
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