Mysterious Missile Launch Over California - 11/8/2010

reply to post by windwaker


wsws.org...

"The media on Tuesday cited unnamed Pentagon sources as saying they had “no clue” about the “bizarre” and “unexplained” sighting. A Navy spokesman had earlier ruled out that his branch of the military had any role in the object videotaped, and a local Air Force base said it had not launched any missiles since November 5, when a rocket carried an Italian satellite into space."

keyword..unnamed Pentagon sources...but even they could not explain the sighting (at least at first). You would think experts on contrails of missiles and planes would INSTANTLY KNOW THE DIFFERENCE? but no. Why? Probably because they are spooked.

"Robert Ellsworth, former US Ambassador to NATO in the Nixon administration and deputy secretary of defense in the Ford administration, on Tuesday morning speculated that the object was indeed a missile fired by the US military to coincide with President Obama’s Asia trip."


"A retired Russian rocket scientist who looked at the video told the World Socialist Web Site that the object could only have been a ballistic missile or a rocket destined for outer space."

Even more credible evidence to suggest this was a BFM (Big F'in Missile) and one that COULD POSSIBLY be designed to go into space. ICBM case grows stronger.

The counter to this, it was all an OPTICAL ILLUSION based on the angle of vantage point...

"However, the intelligence web site Stratfor quickly challenged such explanations, noting that “the video footage available on open source appears to capture a flame emanating from the contrail’s source,” making such theories “unlikely.”"

Visible flame from the source of the contrail. Nuff said.

The whole, it was a plane theory is easily rejected as well:

"If the video indicated the normal route of a jet airplane, moreover, it should have been easy for the FAA to settle the matter. But both the FAA and NORAD had earlier claimed that there was no evidence of an airplane in the area."

Government sort of screwed themselves there by accepting the plane theory. So it is very clear now that it was NOT a plane or a optical illusion. And there is sufficient evidence from the data summed up in this article alone to suggest it was a missile of some sort.

The scariest part that this article brings up is at the end which states:

"The apparent missile launch on Monday is the latest in a series of high-profile but unexplained events involving the US military. In 2006, US nuclear missile parts were sent to Taiwan, supposedly by accident. In September 2007, it was learned that a nuclear-armed B-52 bomber flew over the US without authorization. And in 2008, a US military report was leaked in the European media noting that over 1,000 nuclear missile parts had gone missing."

It almost sounds like the Sum of All Fears movie plot lol. But it raises great concern. Especially since I was unaware that 1,000 nuclear missile parts have gone missing...that seems pretty darn important to me...yet I have heard nothing much of it in the media. Go figure!

edition.cnn.com... yet another point & Just a completely stupid question: whoever calculated speed of that "jet"?

reply to post by SarK0Y

Why calculate it? It's right here. About 500 kts.
flightaware.com...

reply to post by kinkykoala


WoW man thanks for posting this article! They are reporting about the ship on CNN but no mention of an EMP attack. Now it really is all starting to make sense. By he way a friend of mine in china sent me a similar link about the same story. It is definitely time to start getting ready for plan A, things are about to get real nasty in the next few months. I give it two years tops for all out madness to break loose.

Originally posted by OnTheFelt


Have you ever heard of Kelly's Missiles and Rockets? Well, in case you didn't know they are the authority on missiles, PERIOD.

Put this quote in your pipe and smoke it.

But Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt. "It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from the efflux [smoke]." Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy surface ships.

CBS News

Jane's Missiles and Rockets

Hmm I can't imagine Jane's getting that wrong, is there an article by the editor on Jane's regarding this?

cheers mob

reply to post by chunkafungus

I guess you don't know about Sorcha Faal.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by DangerDeath
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

This footage is a loop from the original video, made by a member of ATS.
It is about the light that appears on the plane - red and green position lights, or reflection from the sun, which I doubt since at this moment plane is in shade?

typical nonsense watch it again
First you cant be sure its a plane

www.youtube.com...

watch it again

From what i have seen it has only a green flashing color and tell me this honestly doesnt look like the back of the engine is on fire? since can normal planes do that?

an a optical illusion? lol sorry i am not buying it.

I am going to say to say the plane theory was a cover for whatever the military lunched, its normal for the pentagon to cover it up i am not surprised alot of you are buying the plane theory.

reply to post by Phage

i meant video record any sources gives numbers according to their agenda

Originally posted by zorgon
spaceweather.com...

"The origin of the fireball is still uncertain"

What kind of a statement is that?

It seems the media needs some lessons on how to tell contrails from rocket launches from meteorites at sunset

Maybe I'm just not getting your sense of humor here but that link was from 2009, it's a year old, here is the link from the same site for 2010:

spaceweather.com...

Nov. 8th wouldn't be the first time a contrail was mis-identified. Spaceweather.com frequently receives reports of apparent comets, meteors, and decaying satellites that are really airplane exhaust lit up by the setting sun.

UPDATE: There is mounting evidence that the "missile" was in fact an airplane contrail. First, take a look at these pictures comparing the Nov. 8th event to other known airplane contrails. They all look like missiles. Second, reader Rob Matson notes that "a Boeing 757-200 from Honolulu to Phoenix flew right over Catalina Island at 37,000 feet at the time in question. Here is a map of the flight."

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


The green light was probably the usual aircraft lights, what looks like a red glow is more than likely the sun reflecting off the aircraft.

reply to post by chunkafungus


You should read Phage's link, and learn about the source of the "EMP" story.

Yeah...an EMP caused an engine fire??? On a ship hundreds of miles away from where the "missile" (airplane) was seen? The "missile" (airplane) was much closer to the Los Angeles area, yet this so-called "EMP" didn't affect anything there??

Logic test, and that story fails miserably.

Oh, and update: Once the crippled cruise ship was towed back closer to the shore, and the USA, people could get cell phone signals again, and all their phones and wireless connections came back. Funny, huh? EMPs are supposed to fry all the electronics??

Epic fail....and makes one wonder how anyone could fall for it, especially once seeing that name.....

Not claiming to be related or anything , just found this odd. Today at work, let's just say UCLA to give people a perspective of exactness, at approximately 10.10 am or so I believe. I hear a jet roaring! Closer and CLOSER and CLOSERRRRRR!!!!! I go running to my door, to see if I had to run for my life. The only thing I could surmise was ....OMFG!!!! A jetliner is crashing RIGHT ON TOP OF ME! That's how loud it was. As I reached my door , I couldn't see anything as I am obscured by both an overhang and trees , which makes my view upwards extremely limited. I am unaware of which direction the sound was heading also. Eastward, away from the ocean or Westward, towards the ocean. At recess, I asked some of the kids if they heard the jet. They replied. YES! YES! It was 2 military jets. I've lived in the area 35+ years and I can probably count on one hand the number of military jets I've seen in this area. Just thought was pretty odd , seeing there was a "mystery missile" yesterday or the day before off the CA coast.

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

The green light was probably the usual aircraft lights, what looks like a red glow is more than likely the sun reflecting off the aircraft.

wsws.org...

"If the video indicated the normal route of a jet airplane, moreover, it should have been easy for the FAA to settle the matter. But both the FAA and NORAD had earlier claimed that there was no evidence of an airplane in the area."

well this proves there were NO airlines at the time of that contrail.

what looks like a red glow is more than likely the sun reflecting off the aircraft.

Sorry but i am going to respond to your post because i find ridiculous you only made it up to back up your plane theory.

Apparently, it was a Navy operation.
Damn, I thought it was the Chinese...I got it wrong.
But, it WAS a missile.

www.nga.mil...

This may help.

whatreallyhappened.com...

I dont understand whoever saying its a plane contrail....Contrails do not look that thick....I think it was a missile....as most people do....the ET probably had something to do with it too...

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

Great source.
The FAA never said there were no planes in the area.

reply to post by Phage


Ah but the circumstantial evidence is enormous.

a) reports on ats of Luke AFB missile launch - not official - around 11.5 or 11.6...significance?

b) Obama in India to forge stronger alliance - against... China!

c) China, and most of EU screaming bloody murder over last wednesday's Fed announcement of $600 billion QE2. anyone remember the explicit language emanating from China's officials over this? It was extreme.

d) Carnival Splendor engine room fire disables power - why? no passenger communications. 11.7

d) 11.8 evening MISSILE launch 35 miles west of LA near catalina and san nicolas island naval base.

e) Pentagon and NORAD deny it was a missile from the US or anyone else.

f) related? ATS has been going NUTS with doom and gloom / webbot/ other predictions for November.

And november aint over yet!

The Cuban Missile Crisis built up in this fashion October 14 to 28, 1961; how

history doesn't repeat, but rhyme, is fascinating isn't it?

Alright, we have weedwhacker and phage collaborating on the story.

Hmmm?

Oh wait, I forgot that weed is a pilot and phage is some kind of scientist or something.

Nevermind, the whole contrail did not exist, the whole persistence of the contrail means nothing, the fact that there were NO aircraft in the area means nothing, the fact that the government will not confirm or DENY anything means nothing.

Tell me folks, if YOU were in command what would YOU do if someone launched something on your shore?

Always remember that the razor is the most obvious explanation.

I posted this same link about 10 hours ago and it still didn't seem to make any difference. This thread has turned into nothing more than nonsensical superfluous drivel, I'll bet this thread gets to 180 pages before it starts slowing down, by then they'll have it down to a Cessna 150 piloted by Obama firing a Sidewinder at a Renegade Goose...lol

That NOTAM that you posted is pretty standard for that area. The Notice to Airman that is also doing the rounds is also used as some sort of proof that a ballistic missile launch took place. It isn't. Think about it? The US military has made the statement that no ballistic missile was launched and none detected.

Do you honestly think that the Russians would remain tight lipped over such an event? They would take great delight in embarrassing the US by announcing that their space based infra red systems had detected a ballistic launch. A launch that the US deny took place.

Back in 2001 the US embarrassed the Ukraine and Russia after a Tu-154 airliner was accidentally shot down by an SA-5 GAMMON missile. Both the Russians and Ukrainians denied any missile launch, but the US announced that their space based infra red systems had recorded the missile launch. The Russians and Ukrainians after being rumbled were forced to admit that the missile had been launched and had hit the Tu-154.

TJ

reply to post by Phage


Actually I do However, I import from china and have very close relations. And my friend in China, also former military, confirms the story.