Freemasonry, secret or not?

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by rusethorcain
I would however like to tell new initiates who may be entering the Freemasons just for the devil/Satan worshiping rituals - it might be better if they stayed home.

I would also like to let people know that Freemasonry has nothing at all to do with devil/Satan worshiping. Only a true idiot would believe such garbage. You must believe in ONE supreme being. You are asked what you call him. if you answer Satan, meaning that you believe that Satan created everything, I think you would find yourself being asked to leave. Freemasonry is all about faith, brotherly love, and charity. (please note that worshiping false idols doesn't make that list)

You don't get out much do you?

The highest degree of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, the Meritorious Degree, the Degree of the Illuminati, whose motto is “Ordo Ab Chao" Out of chaos comes order.

1) Superior Masons deliberately lie to their fellow Masons, as those Masons "deserve to be mislead"; 2) Explanations given to 95% of all Masons are wrong.

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"
[Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry,19th Degree of Grand Pontiff]
From the first degree, the first Initiation, the Mason is urged mightily to "seek the Light"! The average Mason is continually saying that he is "seeking the Light", and will spend his entire life "moving toward the Light".
Almost every person in Western Civilization will assume that this "Light" is the revelation of the God of the Bible; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian.
Yet, here, Albert Pike is saying that Lucifer is the One who bears the Light of Freemasonry!
Lucifer is the Light-bearer of Freemasonry . Pike's sentence immediately preceding this one confirms not only that Lucifer is the Light-bearer, but that Masons of previous degrees have been led to believe that the opposite was true.

www.cuttingedge.org...

reply to post by rusethorcain


Thank you for that video. Entertaining, it was, yes. There are many societies that operate behind closed doors, including government and Churches. Does that make them evil groups that worship satan or such?
I am not trying to flmae you for your views and I understand the FM has received bad press in the past. I am just trying to understand the differentiation.

This site is so confusing for anyone trying to do some research. No one is ever singing off the same hymn sheet! I've watched hours of video on this subject, read books and the conclusions seem to arrive along a similar line. I mean where is everyone else getting there info? I'm sure most people here have watched similar documentaries, read the same books etc. Yet there is such a wide disagreement.
So far the path I'm following is:

The Temple of Solomon is central to the belief system. Each lodge is a temple, lower degree masons are Jewish workmen who built the temple. Every master in the chair represents the Jewish King.
The belief by masons, that under the bowels of Mount Moriah, where the Temple Of Solomon was built and near the place Christ was crucified is Enoch's buried vault. It holds or held the mysteries of Angelic knowledge and the name of god. Some report it to be the name 'Jahbulon'. Representing the trinity of Yahweh, Baal. Osiris.
Hiram Abiff was the 1st Grand Master and chief architect of Solomon. He is said to be the only man at the time who could pass down the Enochian Secrets.

The knowlege that is fused with masonry came from the Templars. It is cabalistic knowledge, higher secrets discovered from Solomons temple. The final degree in the York rite of Freemasonry is the order of the Knights Templar. Hence 33 degrees, 33 steps on Solomons Temple. The GAOTU allows members to embrace any god they wish. At the lower blue level anyway. The Knights Templar degree is supposed to be only open to Christian masons. But I doubt the Templars were that. With their worship of Baphomet. (The goat of Mendes). Baphomets were also heads that were possibly carried around in caskets and demons were invoked through them. Aleister Crowley, who equated Baphomet with the Greek god Pan. Crowley even adopted the name “Baphomet” as his own motto when he joined Ordo Templi Orientis (Order of the Oriental Temple, or O.T.O.)

A documentary pointed out the connection between the Goetia Grimoire (Lesser Key Of Solomon), and Templar cathedrals built throughout Europe. Certain demons from the Goetia are carved into the decor of these buildings. There are 72 Demons In the Goetia. 72 being the number of pentagrams binding around the base of the apotheosis in Capial Dome. Then the Washington Obelisk being dedicated by Freemasons in the 72nd year following 1776. Baal being Deity no 1.

Luciferian worship is the light of knowledege, The Elite concept is this makes men gods. In ancient times man discovered fire, the knowledge of light. The fire was used to control wild animals and others. This knowledge of fire, how to make it and how to keep it was protected and secret. Ceremonies were conducted around this fire. They became a mystery to the others. The priesthood was then born. The priesthood holds power over kings. In every religion.
I don't believe that lower degree Freemasonry relates to this. But the top degrees that is entwined with illuminati occult doctrine is a different story. I think we all agree TPTB do exist, It's too much of a coincidence for any of this not to be related or ignored.

Anyone agree on this????

Originally posted by rusethorcain
You don't get out much do you?

I do sometimes. Like when I go to the lodge and actually see first hand the things that go on there. but of course that has no bearing on the wonderful you tube videos you have seen. I guess I can see why you would believe them. BTW, the reptilian overlords who control your mind say hi. What, I saw it on you tube so it must be true. (oh, and lady GAGA ha a pecker)

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Skull n bones is a chapter from freemasonry taken to America by the British.
Second line.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


Hi, I do not wish to disagree with you as I cannot, simply due to the fact, I have no facts. Please could you give me some literature or point me in the right direction regarding this claim?

reply to post by Hespian


Yes. I would agree to much of that and have learned a few things as well so, thanks for a very informative post.

I'd like to add that at the highest levels this society believes the Christian God is a God but a "lesser God" than Lucifer.

Of course no one really knows this when you are first starting out in the Masons.
You deserve to be lied to the way the people of the planet deserve to be manipulated and controlled.
Illuminati is convinced they are doing the world a service since it is full of foolish, ignorant men - problematic and inconsequential women....someone has to take the reigns. Let it be Lucifer!
(since that Christian God is such a wus)

It is a group deliberately contrary and set up to fly in the face of the Christian God....(how rightly or wrongly that notion may be - is beside the point)
IF people knew this they would not join in such numbers.
They are not forthright, honest, and they don't play fair.
That is why I called them pussies, chickens in an earlier post.
They dangle bait. Christian, religious bait...and catch you.

That is why they wait...
until they have you hook line and sinker...
until they have so much dirt on you - there is no turning back.

Maybe you were a Catholic, a Jew, a Muslim in the beginning.
All faiths are welcome,
since you do not have a religious tome in Masons...
(although the Bible is tossed casually as a prop)

Maybe you were an atheist all of a sudden you reach the last ceremony and they drop it on you.

Big cheshire cat grins.
Welcome to the final degree.

You're a devil worshiper now, boy!

reply to post by TheLoneArcher


It is my opinion based on stuff ive seen and heard from where I come from.
Old military libraries are the best, I suggest visiting them.

reply to post by rusethorcain


If that was indeed true, and those people that were led up the garden path finally saw their religion pulled from under their feet, surely they would just quit, and yes you can quit.

I tell you now, if I discover anything of the sort during my time in FM, I will resign.

reply to post by TheLoneArcher


Im still waiting for you to resign.
I showed you that in the Qu'ran the Dajjal/Antichrist, is called the 'One Eyed Deceiver'.
Isnt the Qu'ran part of the three books you hold holy?
So I ask my self, are you reading those books? Are they reading them to you?
Or simply are you just misleading all of us here?
These are the things that go through my mind when visiting this thread.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


oh, so that was opinion and not fact.

got it.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


I have no desire to mislead you my friend, it is just that my view on FM differs from yours. I still believe it to represent good, and until I find out otherwise, I will remain a member.

Regarding military musuems, I cannot visit them as I am based in the South West Region of France. However, as I am open minded, if you have any references for me to look up..............

Originally posted by Hespian
This site is so confusing for anyone trying to do some research. No one is ever singing off the same hymn sheet! I've watched hours of video on this subject, read books and the conclusions seem to arrive along a similar line. I mean where is everyone else getting there info? I'm sure most people here have watched similar documentaries, read the same books etc. Yet there is such a wide disagreement.
So far the path I'm following is:

The Temple of Solomon is central to the belief system. Each lodge is a temple, lower degree masons are Jewish workmen who built the temple. Every master in the chair represents the Jewish King.
The belief by masons, that under the bowels of Mount Moriah, where the Temple Of Solomon was built and near the place Christ was crucified is Enoch's buried vault. It holds or held the mysteries of Angelic knowledge and the name of god. Some report it to be the name 'Jahbulon'. Representing the trinity of Yahweh, Baal. Osiris.

You were doing fine up to here. Not sure what's written on the cube in the York Rite traditions, but in the Scottish Rite, the name written on the cube in Enoch's vault is יהוה‎, the tetragrammaton.

Hiram Abiff was the 1st Grand Master and chief architect of Solomon. He is said to be the only man at the time who could pass down the Enochian Secrets.

The knowlege that is fused with masonry came from the Templars. It is cabalistic knowledge, higher secrets discovered from Solomons temple. The final degree in the York rite of Freemasonry is the order of the Knights Templar. Hence 33 degrees, 33 steps on Solomons Temple.

The York Rite is only 14 degrees, it's the Scottish Rite that has 33 degrees. And, of course, the number doesn't constitute any rank above lower degree numbers in these side rites, and a 33° Scottish Rite Mason has no authority over a Knight Templar in the York Rite, nor a 3° Master Mason in the blue lodge.

The GAOTU allows members to embrace any god they wish. At the lower blue level anyway. The Knights Templar degree is supposed to be only open to Christian masons. But I doubt the Templars were that.

And now it becomes your opinion rather than historical fact...

With their worship of Baphomet. (The goat of Mendes). Baphomets were also heads that were possibly carried around in caskets and demons were invoked through them.

Templars didn't worship Baphomet. They were accused of such evils by a french King who owed them money and didn't want to pay, so he got the sitting Pope to come down on them. Torture will make men admit to any number of vile deeds that they were actually innocent of.

Aleister Crowley, who equated Baphomet with the Greek god Pan. Crowley even adopted the name “Baphomet” as his own motto when he joined Ordo Templi Orientis (Order of the Oriental Temple, or O.T.O.)

Crowley wasn't a real Mason, so bringing him up unnecessarily muddies the waters.

reply to post by network dude


Yes you sureley got it.
I did write it was my opinion.
The skull n bones being a chapter from freemasonry taken to America by the British, that is.

On the other hand, the Dajjal being the 'One Eyed Deceiver' is not my opinion but is written in the Qu'ran.
I am not a muslim, christian or any religion. I am just an interested person.
I keep on going about the Dajjal because two memebers on this board mentioned that the Qu'ran is a sacred book.
All this to me is a bit of a joke, but I get it, dont worry

reply to post by rusethorcain


The 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite is the Inspector General, it is not the Illuminati Degree.
I have a copy of Morals and Dogma, and the full quote is:

The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not! for traditions are full of Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of one Age nor of one Creed. Plato and Philo, also, were inspired.

Why is Lucifer referred to as the light bearer, do you know?
Lucifer was not originally the name of Venus, as it followed the Sun, also called the Morning Star.
Remember, in the Bible that Lucifer only appears once, in that instance, instead of being translated to the Morning Star, the translator put it to Lucifer instead. It's in reference to the king Nebuchadnezzar, and how he rose like the morning star, only to fall.
Oddly, he correctly translated it later on, when Jesus used it to refer to himself, when he calls himself the Morning Star, however there the translation is correct.
Later on, Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy and John Milton's Paradise Lost entrenched the name Lucifer as another for Satan in people's minds.

Albert Pike, here, was justifying the use of the name Lucifer, for his is the light that blinds those of weaker morals.

Also, for future discussion, when your speaking to people in order to avoid confusion, when using the word "you", only use it when referring to someone specifically, otherwise you confuse who you are talking to.

Originally posted by wcitizen
Thanks for the replies. I really appreciate hearing your view on the incompatibility between the Illuminati and Freemasonry. That would mean, then, that none of the Illuminati are freemasons, and none who attend their Bilderberg meetings could be freemasons either (another 'group' which was kept 'secret' for many years).

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I can't say "none", I'm just saying that they're different groups. Being a Mason is not a prerequisite to attending Bilderberg meetings, nor the Grove, nor any of the other groups that are actually running the world. Could a Mason be a member of those groups? Sure. I'm not saying an individual couldn't be a member of both. But you write as if they go hand in hand...

You must surely be aware of the very bad name freemasonry has amongst a very large percentage of the population.

Actually, it doesn't. It has a bad name among conspiracy theorists, but beyond that special interest group, most people haven't heard of us, and those that do know hardly anything about us and aren't particularly interested enough to find out more.

It has also been admitted on this thread that freemasonry is rife with corruption.

No, it hasn't. Those were your words, not Lone Archer's.

There are almost 100,000 Masons in my home state alone. Do I think every single one of them is worthy of sainthood? No! But I also don't see a widespread, systemic corruption using the institution. Such a thing couldn't exist because of the structures in place. Every group has a few bad eggs. We try to weed them out as we find them, but it doesn't make the whole fraternity rotten.

reply to post by JoshNorton

Every group has a few bad eggs. We try to weed them out as we find them, but it doesn't make the whole fraternity rotten.

Oh, you know how it is mate, in order to prevent Satan(!!!!!) from corrupting everything, best to through the baby out with the bathwater.

Originally posted by wcitizen
I have said nothing against masons in any of my posts, and I've said more than once that these are genuine questions.

Why not simply wear a badge?

What you don't realize is that's just like saying "I have no problems with Jews, I just think they should sew stars to their shirts."

And you ask me why I'm defensive?

some interesting points you make

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
reply to post by Cobra.EXE

 

The RC Church talks in riddles. Benedictions and services are in Latin. The higher order literature is all in Latin and not translated, in order to keep it safe for the higher ranks. Is the RC Church, in your eyes, evil?

You know what you call this sort of display? A dog and pony show...


The RC Church has the blood of tens of millions of innocent people on its hands. The reason Latin was continuously used was to confound and confuse then profit. Freemasonry is no different in their methods and approach. By now, most of us should be inclined to call both institutions out.