Freemasonry, secret or not?

reply to post by Cobra.EXE


Skull and Bones? No idea. It is a American society, yes? I am refering to Masonry. Not the same thing. I am sure I would be turned down by the Skull and Bones too. Would you put $1000 on that?

reply to post by Cobra.EXE


I read 3 of the links. They are full of hatred and lies I must say. A lot of negativity too for a religious website.
As for not reading something by someone you don't kn ow you sited 3 links. Are you the author or do you know the authors? Richard Kacynski takes an UNBIASED approach full of FACTS.. Meaning he is not demonizing him ala Colin Wilson, John Symonds, or kissing his @$$. What is written is full of sources to back it up instead of hearsay and fairy tales.

Originally posted by ANSPHAR
reply to post by network dude

 

Excellent defense of Crowley and I loved the poke a badger part earlier on. Crowley had the mind of a scientist and a philosopher. He was trying to search for truth and meaning. Led an interesting life in his years that would take up lifetimes for others. Traveled the world,climbed the Himalayas, was a master chess player, did a good job introducing yoga and eastern thought to the western world, helped influence the formation of Wicca, and has been more of an influence on Magick then anyone else since. Magick being by his definition" The science and art of causing change in conformity with will" By that definition prayer, a job, mowing the lawn can be magick. Not so evil. It is people that are evil. Ignorance of the unknown leads to fear, that fear leads to violence. If people would keep an open mind and heart and do unbiased research into the topics of Masonry and Aleister Crowley these kind of back and forth arguments would cease.Almost every Brother I have met has been a good person by my judge of their morality. A lot of intelligent people involved in the craft too. Good conversations..

When I hear the name Crowley I immediately think of deviant in the form of drug induced sexual encounters with unsuspecting women. With Pike this quote reverberates quite a bit...

"I took my obligations from white men, not from negroes. When I have to accept negroes as brothers or leave Masonry, I shall leave it."

Care to debate... Anyone? For the order to make deviants and racists in any time period honorary members speaks volumes. The only possible saving grace for masonry (in my opinion) is the fact Manly P. Hall started his involvement. Nearly everything I've researched on the gentleman is extraordinary. Apparently the order mixes the good with the bad. But perhaps possessing a moral compass of stellar intent isn't a prerequisite either? When you take a look at history, masonry certainly appears thin on debate. For the order to also hide behind occult status is a definite tell-tale sign.

A man is as great as the truth he speaks, As great as the help he gives, As great as the destiny he seeks, As great as the life he lives.

The highest order of Truth is a Sacrifice.
Love is God and has never been a stranger.
To put forth and gather up Understanding is Life.


I'll leave you with this... Live up to those ideals and set standards you outwardly preach, or get the hell out of the way.

reply to post by Americanist


To decline a man for his religion, race, creed, or colour is just plain wrong.
British Freemasonry, as far as I am aware, has never excluded someone because of any of the above. Our Lodge has a wide range of diverse members, from several religious beliefs, races and colour.

A man is a man, not matter where he was born, whatever colour his skin is or what God he believes in.

Originally posted by stephenofacts
I have to disagree. freemasonry is full of secrets. I know mason's one 3rd degree on 22nd. president woodrow wilson said it best "its a fraternity within a freternity".

Most of us are privy to the fact he unleashed the usury cartel on our Country too.

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
reply to post by Americanist

 

To decline a man for his religion, race, creed, or colour is just plain wrong.
British Freemasonry, as far as I am aware, has never excluded someone because of any of the above. Our Lodge has a wide range of diverse members, from several religious beliefs, races and colour.

A man is a man, not matter where he was born, whatever colour his skin is or what God he believes in.

We can both make blanket statements all day long... The difference between us remains. I haven't joined a "cult" with high ranking members who spout off occasional trash. I don't reference borderline rapists as my brother in a fraternity manner of speaking either. I would demand they be ostracized. Your crew didn't originate in the same time period as Pike and Crowley, but your brothers on ATS chimed in immediately and began defending these guys. That indicates one of two things.... You don't know your own history, or you're trying to cover a belief system inherent to masonry with lies. Either way... It doesn't bode well for the intent of your organizational approach to others.

As they say...

You can polish a turd, but it's still a piece of sh*t.

Here is a snippet from the Master Mason. Dated 1927.

This sums up what I think of Masonry.

In all my Masonic life, as a student or a teacher of Masonry
and a worker in its behalf, it has been always in my heart to use
Masonry as a wand of blessing and never as a weapon of battle. It is
intended to make men friends, to bring men of all types of
temperament, antecedents and training together, discover their
brotherhood and make them builders of a purer world. The temptation
is very great sometimes, for good men and true, to use Masonry as a
weapon of battle. But we must never do it. I refuse to do it. It is too
great. It is too beautiful. It is too holy.

For what it's worth TLA, i just wanted to link THIS. It's a poem called Desiderata by a man named Max Ehrmann. I'm not sure if it has any relevance to Freemasonry, other than the message itself, but it was very valuable to my stepfathers, father.

I've read a little about Crowley in the past, and other than his later life episodes (which were a bit twisted if true) he was a very interesting man that, in my opinion, understood a great deal about God, the key to life and the interconnectedness of everything in the Universe. Maybe that truth might have been too much to handle, who knows. Michael Tsarion has some well researched info about Crowley too.

Just thought i'd post this because there seems to be a handful of people describing Masonry as inherently evil, i'd guess because of two men, Crowley and Pike (shoot the messenger, don't shoot the message!). This goes against the grain of what i've been told.

I also know two Freemasons personally (both of them Stonemasons) who greet me with the handshake and call me brother, although i'm not a lodge member. These guys realize I have family commitments at the moment and that I won't be able to attend lodge meetings regularly, but will vouch for me if and when i'm ready to join. These two lads aren't evil either, far from it.

Hopefully i'll bump into them in the next week or so and i'll bounce some questions off them (not that I need to!).

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
Here is a snippet from the Master Mason. Dated 1927.

This sums up what I think of Masonry.

In all my Masonic life, as a student or a teacher of Masonry
and a worker in its behalf, it has been always in my heart to use
Masonry as a wand of blessing and never as a weapon of battle. It is
intended to make men friends, to bring men of all types of
temperament, antecedents and training together, discover their
brotherhood and make them builders of a purer world. The temptation
is very great sometimes, for good men and true, to use Masonry as a
weapon of battle. But we must never do it. I refuse to do it. It is too
great. It is too beautiful. It is too holy.

It sums up good in general. Try doing a background search on these individuals:


Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
Lazares Brothers Banks of Paris
Israel Moses Seif Bank of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York
Goldman, Sachs Bank of New York

It's past the hour to get down and dirty, if you haven't noticed.

reply to post by Americanist


I shall continue to use Masonry as a vehicle to do good. I will use its teachings to help other, not just Masons. I will continue to give money to worthy charities. I will use the Masonic guidlines as I feel they should be.
Regardless of what you may think, I still hold that Freemasonry stands for good and honest values.

Any society that conducts activities behind closed doors will be labelled as evil by those on the other side of those doors.

reply to post by Stonesplitter


When you have time, drop me a U2U and I will give you my contact details.

Originally posted by TheLoneArcher
reply to post by Americanist

 

I shall continue to use Masonry as a vehicle to do good. I will use its teachings to help other, not just Masons. I will continue to give money to worthy charities. I will use the Masonic guidlines as I feel they should be.
Regardless of what you may think, I still hold that Freemasonry stands for good and honest values.

Any society that conducts activities behind closed doors will be labelled as evil by those on the other side of those doors.

I still hold that Freemasonry stands for good and honest values.

Obviously that doesn't make it true. I could say the same of any frat house really, but after being witness to the spiking of drinks... Good turns to ugly.

Any society that conducts activities behind closed doors will be labelled as evil by those on the other side of those doors.

If you're unable to do business in the light of day, your methods and motives remain questionable at best. If you were to further research your own high-ranking members, you'd find the equivalent of organized crime. I understand the concept of fighting fire with fire, but that's not even the case here... The system cranks out consumers. The word consumer should really be synonymous with slave. All that's left is slapped with usury in the form of income tax which forges an even steadier stream of slaves. Buy into that junk. See where it gets you. I'm not arguing... Just hoping to keep the door open extremely wide.

reply to post by Americanist




well said americanist, just as the bible or the creator says. whoever speaks in confusion or confuses the world is that spawn of the devil.

what does masonry do??? they talk in riddles & they talk in code. you tell me whose confusing the masses...

add on

tax and freemasons (click here)

reply to post by TheLoneArcher




skull & bones is FREEMASONRY.

if anything, its a higher group up from freemasonic bodies.

& yes, im wiling to bet you $1000 they wouldnt allow anybody into a lodge. call it freemasonry, call it a secret society, theyre all interconnected.

looks like you just lost a bet, now pay up.

Today here in the Netherlands they got a "TAX FREE" status, a status normally for churches and non profit charity organisations....

The fact has raised some eyebrows...
The government didn't wanted it to happen, but suddenly (we had new elections recently) they stopped efforts, and now granted them the no tax status.
I think one of there members is in the Tax department :-)


Anyway.. Disturbing.

reply to post by Cobra.EXE


What I said was, they would not let me in.

reply to post by EarthOccupant


That is plain wrong. This need investgating. Masonry is not a religion and should not be exempt from tax. If what you say is true, the member in the department should be fired and have procedures against him. We are all liable for tax, my spin on this is that you are correct. The Lodges in NL should be liable and pay tax.

reply to post by Cobra.EXE


The RC Church talks in riddles. Benedictions and services are in Latin. The higher order literature is all in Latin and not translated, in order to keep it safe for the higher ranks. Is the RC Church, in your eyes, evil?

reply to post by Cobra.EXE


You know, it is a shame we are so far apart. I would love to buy you a beer or ten and discuss this with you face to face. Personally, I think we would learn a lot from each other.

P.S. Here is a link for you, if you would llike to know more. www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...