American Doom!

Originally posted by inforeal
The American electorate will tonight likely vote against their own interest and elect the anti-human Republican conservative Tea Party candidates—who ONLY care about rich people—to at least rule over the House and likely the Senate also [ God forbid].

This will likely be the end of any kind of progress for the American civilization that will be buried in right-wing dogma of the likes of the absolute knave and ignoramus Sarah Palin and the party of conservatives WHO WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT BRING THE COUNTRY TO RUIN!

If you paid attention to the election, you would have heard about it being historically significant. We just had a massive change in power, which we have not seen since the 1970s. Our entire country (governors, state reps, etc...) embraced a NEW Republican/Tea-Party. Some parts of it belong to the old guard, but the majority is shifting into an entirely new entity. Once you put aside your precognitions about the Tea-Party, look at what they represent specifically. - Low taxes for all, cut spending, government accountability, jobs, balance the budget, replace Obamacare, small government, and immigration reform.

Second, Palin mentioned that she is more interested in living a normal life. As we get closer to the 2012 election cycle, look for someone like former Mayor Rudy Giuliani to be on the next ticket. It will not be Sarah Palin.

It is time to pay our bills off in which we owe to other countries, reduce spending, and restore our constitutional values.

One thing is for sure... The Tea-Party is here to stay, and that is a GOOD thing.

Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
reply to post by SeventhSeal

 

You better try selling that crap somewhere else, because no one is buying it here.

You stated he provided factual statements, lets see them.

You did see them. They're in the OP. If you want to deny it, go for it. The rest of us will accept the truth and keep our eyes on these bigoted Conservatives that want harm to our country.

Good luck to you, buddy.

Ultimately the elections are over, and what is done is done. All that now remains is to sit back and watch. As I have stated before, these problems are not just one administrations or congressional problem but that which has gone back for years and years, with both good and bad policies. Neither the Republicans or the Democrats alone, are the cause for this mess, but they both are. At different times, they both could have made changes for the better, yet fail to do such. All we can do is wait and watch, and actually maybe, just maybe, this is a good thing with the Tea Party and the current mess the US is in. Ask yourself this, and be honest, how many people before this current state of affairs were every so interested in the politics of DC or even paid attention to what the bills and laws were that were being passed? How many people before today every really took a good look at who was being elected and what they have done before, and how the treated the people in their district? Or what the issues were and boiled down to the core of such were? Or even started to ask the questions that many elected officials do not want to ask.
The reality is that no elected official ever tells the truth 100% of the time. Not one will tell you that yes they are going to raise taxes, nor are they going to tell you what you do not want to hear. Often they use the bait and switch technique, to distract and draw attention from what the real goal is, kind of like a stage magician. To make the illusion seem real, the magician must often create a plausible excuse and a good distraction. Look at those who were elected in the past, did they have such a spotless record, or were they elected for the values and ideas that they represented and stated, along with actually follow through with them?

Originally posted by Soldier of God

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I personally hate with a undying passion the right wing agenda...

What part of the agenda do you hate? Preserving the Constitution? Smaller Govt.? Letting business create jobs?
Fill me in.

The constitution and the amendments to the constitution is great...all for it.

Smaller government? pfft...every republican in office has grown government to staggering proportions and caused mega debt...sorry, the last small government fiscal conservative we have had in any branches of anything goes by the name of Bill Clinton...deal with that absolute fact.

Lets see this new congress try to repeal the patriot act, or dismantle homeland security and I may change my mind on their actual viewpoints of "small government". (both enacted by them as a sweeping mega entity of government to protect us from cavemen...and drugs...and porn...and whatever else they can get their hands into with their godlike powers)

legislating morality...no, we DONT want to alter the constitution to protect marriage..marriage is a religious ceremony that has no place in politics to begin with...get your morality out of my face..if a man wants to marry a donkey, let him...that is up for the religious institutions to deal with, not my damn tax dollars..

the ban on hemp is a leftover bit of nonsense to protect the cotton grower lobbiests...it is complete corruption, meanwhile we got tons of booze as a far worse drug completely legal...

zero intellectual understanding of anything...that is the apex of my hatred towards them...the rebuttal of hard factual science in the face of reality..of what is true, and what can be measured, be it evolution, climate destablization, economic principles, etc...they go with gut verses fact

actively protecting the largest corporations (that pay zero taxes incidently) while smashing the actual people to be tools of the corporations

I personally see the -actions-, not the retoric, to be highly destructive to america...actions speak much much louder than words.

I won't even talk about the last thing you mentioned, because the list of how the right screws the little guy is endless.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal

You did see them. They're in the OP. If you want to deny it, go for it. The rest of us will accept the truth and keep our eyes on these bigoted Conservatives that want harm to our country.

Good luck to you, buddy.

I'll take that as a confession that you, like the OP, are just trolling for responses.

The only thing he said that was factual was that the south used to side with the democrats.

All of his imaginary "facts" simply dont coincide with reality.

Evidently yours dont either.

For the GOP, it was never about the deficit, or spending, because traditionally Republicans have always outspent Democrats.

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Economically people have fared better under Democrats than Republican.

"Bulls, Bears, Donkeys and Elephants: how the economy fared under Republican or Democratic presidents"

Why? Because Republicans and their water carriers continue - with great success - to perpetuate the myth that the regulation-free policies of the GOP that so benefit them personally somehow help the American people overall. Given that the national debt tripled under Ronald Reagan and doubled again under George W. Bush, it's no wonder Dick Cheney famously declared:

"Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

Not, apparently, until a Democrat is in the White House.

In the mean time, conservatives will accuse Barack Obama of being a "socialist", a "communist" or worse. Unfortunately for Republican propagandists, the words of Harry Truman are as true today as when he uttered them generations ago:

"If you want to live like a Republican, vote Democratic." - source

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What the Republican hate machine has done best is convince American voters that it all comes down to God, Guns, and Gays. Three things that should matter the least in the marketplace. "Tax and Spend" Democrats? Hardly, Republicans put more tax burden on middle income earners (under 250K) than Democrats, and focus spending on corporate welfare (to the extreme).

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Eisenhower was dead on, he foresaw the corruption between money, Washington power brokers, and corporations that will do anything to keep the money train flowing. (Except to social programs like welfare and social security.)

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reply to post by Blackmarketeer


I wish I could star your post like 400 times...

however, your facts will prove to be little.

You should start your own thread here...however, given the massive vast right wing and fringe right wing that constitutes the ATS audience, it won't go very far because it lacks the "feeling" aspect.

so, start it anyhow, if anything, so history can record that there were a few people on ATS that concerned itself with facts over feelings.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
For the GOP, it was never about the deficit, or spending, because traditionally Republicans have always outspent Democrats.

You mean invested more than the Democrats.

Lets go back to grade-school and learn how it works: Mrs. Muffin could spend a 1000 Dollars on a Chocolate-Making Machine or 100 Dollars on Chocolate. What do you suppose she`ll do? If she's a Democrat she`ll "save money" and buy the chocolate.

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
For the GOP, it was never about the deficit, or spending, because traditionally Republicans have always outspent Democrats.

You mean invested more than the Democrats.

Lets go back to grade-school and learn how it works: Mrs. Muffin could spend a 1000 Dollars on a Chocolate-Making Machine or 100 Dollars on Chocolate. What do you suppose she`ll do? If she's a Democrat she`ll "save money" and buy the chocolate.

You do realize that is the exact opposite of how the current right/left mentality is

the right is flipping everyone out because the dems spent 1000 bucks on a chocolate making machine when all we needed was 100 bucks worth of chocolates for now...dismissing how this can possibly be a good thing down the line.

-sighs-

at least stick to the proper talking points.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


I notice how convenently those charts kindly ignore the first 2 years of the current administration where that democtratic lowering of the deificit trend not only reverses, but soars off into a unreachable event horizon of debt. Just sayin'...

Dems are dumping the obamanator like a high maintenance girlfriend, and THAT is a good thing. The people have spoken, and I hold a small amount of hope both sides might start listening now. We still need to yell a little louder however. Them politicos have a REAL short attention span.

OP had hit the nail on the head rightly with his post. The republicans are accountable for the mistakes made.

But without mistakes, we flawed humans will never learn and progress.

They may had won the House, but the Senate will still be controlled by the Democrats.

No. It will not be doom. At least not yet. A gridlock had been resolved. Futhermore, the new republicans face a newly awakened masses that makes up of our families, relatives and friends. Expectations will be higher this time as they are no longer kept dumb downed.

The republican office holders faces a new generation, and anymore mistakes or high handedness on their part will doom them first before dooming awakened citizens and humanity. They have a responsiblity to serve the masses, and not their own pet causes or corporatist lobbies. DO that, and they will be discovered quick enough and be booted by those who voted for them.

Times are a changing, due to awakening. There may be hope. Americans, white or black, are educated and empathetic people by nature, or at least the majority are.

Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Uh, pursuit of happiness isnt mentioned in the Constitution, thats the DOI.

I know. It's just when we stick to first principles, it doesn't make much of a difference. If, however, you insist on a reference to the US Constitution, let's have it here:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Do you see the word "welfare" in there?

And stop calling me "kid", I'm likely old enough to be your father.

Can you lot just have another civil war and get over it?

It's about time for pete's sake. You've got the nutty far right economic-slavery supporters in the Republicans, and the 'State-will-make-it-better....even-if-it-kills-you' fascists in the Democrats.

It's the North / South all over again.

Has anyone seen the film "Gangs of New York"? Remember how because normal civilians wouldn't put themselves into the meat grinder for the statist Democratic movement, they were gunned down by government troops?

Bear in mind the fighting was against the black-slavery endorsing south...

TWO sides of the same slavery endorsing coin. It's just an argument about what variety of slavery to endorse. That's all.

When will you all wake up and smell the bullshizzle? As long as we have a 'for-profit' debt-based monetary system, and other divisive nationally entrenched ancient methodologies, we're doomed to rinse, wash and repeat the same mistakes.

Have a big fight - slaughter those whom you want to slaughter, and then once you're done - shoot yourself for being such a moron.

The Revenant.

reply to post by The Revenant

Originally posted by The Revenant
Can you lot just have another civil war and get over it?

It's about time for pete's sake. You've got the nutty far right economic-slavery supporters in the Republicans, and the 'State-will-make-it-better....even-if-it-kills-you' fascists in the Democrats.

It's the North / South all over again.

Has anyone seen the film "Gangs of New York"? Remember how because normal civilians wouldn't put themselves into the meat grinder for the statist Democratic movement, they were gunned down by government troops?

Bear in mind the fighting was against the black-slavery endorsing south...

TWO sides of the same slavery endorsing coin. It's just an argument about what variety of slavery to endorse. That's all.

When will you all wake up and smell the bullshizzle? As long as we have a 'for-profit' debt-based monetary system, and other divisive nationally entrenched ancient methodologies, we're doomed to rinse, wash and repeat the same mistakes.

Have a big fight - slaughter those whom you want to slaughter, and then once you're done - shoot yourself for being such a moron.

The Revenant.

All except for the killing each other, I agree with what was said. It doesn't matter people, everyone here has intelligent words to say, but no one realizes the REAL problem is both the Republicans and Democrats. Its not a matter of either of the two conforming to the other or comprimising, its the whole damn party. Name one person who is going to go for office and say they DON'T want "Low taxes for all, cut spending, government accountability, jobs, balance the budget, healthcare, small government, and immigration reform" ? Every politician is going to say the same, then say "Well we want to work with the democrats/republicans to make it better for the people." That will never happen, this country isn't suppose to be a two political party system, when can we see that and move to fix that?

reply to post by inforeal


Don't worry OP, it won't be as bad as you think, we will just have more of the same that we have had for a long time now.

-Gridlock
-The rich getting richer
-More jobs overseas (see above)
-The continued extinction of the middle class (see above).

I have to conceed a few points to the GOP the did a good job of...

-Co-opting the word "patriot"-in other words if you oppose their message you are not a patriot
-Spinning and distributing their message

What the Democrates did poorly
-Letting the GOP spin machine get out of control
-Realizing that the economy should be first (people out of work and or afraid for their jobs are not very patient)

Healthcare reform should of waited, that was the Waterloo of the current Democratic party.

I have to say also that the Republicans did a wonderful job creating the "Perfect politcal storm". While the GOP was in the White house they

-Start not one but two wars that we cannot just walk away from.
-Setting the economy in a downspin, that will take years to recover from
- Creating temporary tax breaks that expire during someone elses administration

Now the GOP has the perfect set up to sweep in as the heroes. Thus the spin

-They haven't ended the wars yet (that we started)
-The economy hasn't recovered fast enough (lets ignore the role we played in its downfall)
-See how we are for the people, we want to keep tax cuts! (that we insisted on being temporary a few years ago.)

Honestly its Brilliant because it also sets them up for the new Presidental election! Why?
-Well the economy will start to recover, GOP will take credit even though everyone knew it would take a few years but Americans love a good concidence. GOP elected=Economy recovers! (but in truth not really)
-The Democrats will be divided on if they should support the seated Admin or go for a fresh start with a new candidate.

Brillant political manuvers.

Having lived in the South for the best part of my childhood, I'm offended that you would name all of them ignorant morons. I'm so sick of liberal elitism and South bashing. This doom and gloom is completely ridiculous. Have you considered that progress for the sake of progress may drive us in the wrong direction (i.e. European Socialism)? I think that as long as the Tea Party grassroots keep the Republicans in line with their less government ideals then we won't return to Bush era fascism. Who knows? This might be the best thing that ever happened to the country... or not. What's important is that we hold them to the standards they set for themselves and don't go too easy or hard on them. Though my personal dream is an independent House and Senate and the death of the Democratic and Republican parties.

But honestly, you're a complete idiot for saying all southern republicans are racists.

Originally posted by kallisti36
Have you considered that progress for the sake of progress may drive us in the wrong direction (i.e. European Socialism)?

Please tell me how this is the wrong direction. Or, is progress just wrong, according to you?

Well for one thing I don't know what you consider rich but the "Rich" pay the majority of the taxes. They also have a higher tax rate. I am not Rich but I am a Coservative and the Republicans are the most conservative at this time. I do not want higher Taxes, I do not want to pay for other people who choose not to work because they can get a free ride. I do not want to pay for those peoples healthcare. I pay for my own healthcare and it's expensive!! If that means I can't go buy a new car or a big TV then I GO WITHOUT, that is taking responsibility for myself and my family, not expecting the U.S. Government to give me a free ride because I figure in some way I deserve to have certain things. You don't deserve to have anything!! You deserve the opportunity to work hard and enable yourself to have a prosperous life. Most Americans are perfectly able to work, they just don't want to. They don't want to work for minimum wage at McDonalds, or clean toilets, or dig ditches but guess what, you have to start somewhere.

I guarantee any "good" businessman will hire the hardest working and best applicant for a job regardless of your color, sexual orientation, gender, ect because the bottom line is profit. Can you make your boss money? Period!

The Republicans ARE NOT PRO WAR, but they do understand it is necessary and it will always be as long as there are power hungry people in the world. You can say we were power hungry for oil when Iraq took it over, I say we were protecting our interests. If someone came and blocked off your water supply a few blocks down you would be going over there and getting it unblocked by any means necessary because it is essential to you. Oil is essencial to Americans.

Republicans want to give people the opportunity to help themselves, not give them a free ride. You know what the government gives it can also take away. Being free of government control and having the local states and jurisdictions govern themselves is what the Conservate Republican Party is all about.

In some places people want same sex marriages and in some places people do not think that is appropriate. Let the individual states decide for themselves what they want, don't make it a federal law. The Federal Government should have little regulations over individual citizens lives, those responsibilities should fall upon the local governments.

Where you come up with America is in for Doom and Gloom because Conservatives have taken back more control, I have no idea. In fact it is just the opposite. I guess you would consider it Doom when a Mother bird kicks her young ones out of the nest. You have to learn to make it on your own. The government isn't always going to be there to give hand outs. Grow Up.

reply to post by SynGen


Good post. I expressed similar sentiments on page 8 of this thread. The problem is undoubtedly both parties. Member of both parties have sold the American people out. Democrats gripe and moan about the Patriot Act lasting too long and then Obama extends it. Republicans gripe and moan about health care but I bet they won't do anything to reverse it. Both parties have the same agenda. If the people want real change, then stop fighting amongst yourselves over stupid issues and unite to oust the criminals that make up both parties out of Washington.