American Doom!

reply to post by Dantas


Sadly, I find your post simplistic. You see, the people who "choose" to not work are a minority in our society. My local McDonalds places seem to be fully stuffed and toilets are mostly clean. So yes, there is a fraction of freeloaders out there, but by summarily attacking social security, you deny chances to those who are in fact temporarily out of work. And some of the latter are such because well, it's capitalism. Everything has its price.

I can agree with you in this: I also don't buy things I can't really afford. I've seen people who look pretty poor buy $15 DVDs and heaps of pet food, and I personally don't do that. Well, let's just carry on. The burden of a reasonable man.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Don’t confuse yourself. It is the social services that have made America what it is today. Without them we would have large portions of our populous living in the dirt and shanty towns and unimaginable crime would have been the standard. Not the way of life we all take for granted. You ever seen Lagos and other Africa cities? That’s what we would have had! We all pay for this way of life by ensuring a certain standard of living by keeping those who are either unable or to lazy etc from living in the dirt. We don’t pull the weight of others just because it’s the humane ting to do! A lot of the world does live this way, and the trade off is a substandard existence for everyone. It does not make America a communist country as many tea partiers would purport! It does however unsure a certain standard of living for all Americans!

Originally posted by inforeal

It isn’t a coincidence that their base is in the SOUTH where many are still fighting the loss cause of the civil war.

Some of you people who are too young don’t know that the South use to be democratic. . . . Until Lyndon Johnson passed civil right acts in the 60’s.
You know things like letting black people have equal access to housing, education, water fountains, and things like that. GUESS WHAT HAPPENED?


The democratic South turned Republican in droves [ and has remained Republican ever since] just because they were giving the descendents of slaves equal rights. Primarily this is the case because they DON’T WANT TO GIVE ANY MONEY TO NON WHITE PEOPLE!
It’s got nothing to do with fiscal responsible government. THEY WERE NOT SAYING ANYTHING
[ THE HYPOCRITICAL TEA PARTY] WHEN OUR MONEY WAS GOING TO KILLING BROWN IRAQIS!

You obviously are not a student of history. You obviously do not realize that it is Republicans and the right that lead the movements to end slavery, segregation and give women equal rights. It was the left standing in the way the entire time. So instead of revisionist history, here is what actually happened:

Many people do not know that the civil rights movement was first started by Republicans. Professors and the media today gloss over the fact that when Republicans freed the slaves under President Lincoln, it was Democrats standing opposed. When the vote came to Congress on Emancipation Proclamation, every single democrat voted against it, while every republican voted in favor of it. It was republican principles, ideals and blood that was spent to free the slaves. It was republicans that lead the effort to pass the 13th Amendment officially making slavery constitutionally outlawed. It was the Democratic Party that stood opposed. Republicans passed the first Civil Right Act legally extending citizenship and equal right to all, regardless of race. The Republicans passed the 14th Amendment requiring all states to give due process of law, and equal protection of the laws to all races. Every single Republican voted in favor, while every democrat opposed.

Every single African-American Congressmen until 1935 was a Republican. The first African-American governor was a republican. Colin Powell was the first African-American National Security Advisor and Secretary of State. Condoleezza Rice was the first woman to serve as the National Security Advisor. The first Hispanic governor was a Republican. The first Hispanic US Senator was a Republican. The first Asian American US Senator was a Republican. The first Asian American Federal Judge was a Republican. The first woman elected to Congress was a Republican. Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao amazingly was the first Asian American woman in any president’s cabinet. The first women allowed to be delegates to a national convention were Republicans. The first Republican Supreme Court Justice was republican Sandra Day O’Connor, who before that was also the first woman in any state to be the Majority Leader in the Legislature.

Republicans led the movement for women’s right to vote, and as a party the democrats opposed this right. Every leader of the early feminist movement were Republicans, including Susan B. Anthony, Lucretia Mott, and Elizabeth Cady Stanton. Two of the leading African-American suffragists, Ida Wells and Mary Terrell were Republicans, and also were co-founders of the NAACP.

It was Republicans that integrated professional sports. Brooklyn Dodgers General Manager Branch Rickey was an outspoken supporter of race integration and Republican, as was Jackie Robinson. Those most outspoken to sports integration were southern democrats.

The Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court decision was written by a Republican Chief Justice appointed by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower. That Republican Chief Justice, Earl Warren, was a three-term Republican Governor in California, and was the Republican nominee for Vice President of the United States in 1948. Roughly three years after this Supreme Court ruling, President Eisenhower won passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1957. The important thing to note here is that Eisenhower was the first Republican President in four administrations. Democrats controlled the White House for four administrations and did not pass a single civil rights bill. Not one. It was U.S. Senator Everett Dirksen that authored and introduced the 1960 Civil Rights Act. Individually he was the most responsible for the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as he was the Republican leader who crafted the strategy that overcame long odds and tenacious Democratic opposition to the Bill. After all, it was entirely democrats that filibustered the Bill and it was Dirksen that overcame them. When the Bill was finally passed it received significantly more support from Republicans than Democrats.

In 1976 it was republican President Ford who repealed democratic President F. Roosevelt’s now infamous executive order interning 120,000 Japanese Americans during World War II. None of the numerous democrat Presidents before him felt it necessary and democrats role in the interning has been glossed over.

reply to post by inforeal


Wow, racist much?

right, that's what the left does, anything that's against the liberal agenda it automatically racist because we disagree with it. The Tea Party isn't Republican, though you could call it conservative for sure. I'm a white guy, and I can't stand much of what the republican party does. That's exactly why I voted libertarian when possible. These wars ARE wrong as you have pointed out. You've made this thing to be all about race, when that's not the problem at all.

The thing we are trying to prevent is the government taking our money and distributing it to those who don't deserve it. What right does the government have to do that? I've worked as a cashier, and I can't tell you how many people would come through, of all races, and use their food stamps to buy better food than I was able to purchase for my own family. They would then proceed to pull out a wad of $50 bills to pay for their beer and cigarettes because the food stamps wouldnt cover them. We aren't against helping the poor, we are against people taking advantage of the system and living off of other people's hard work without lifting a finger to do any work themselves.

What our government has been doing over the last few decades has been anything but progressive, regardless of whether or not it was a blue or red in the white house. It has ruined our nation and stripped us of our freedoms. I hope you can see that.

reply to post by Mykahel


Be careful what you wish for! America would very quickly find its self in a third world position without the social services! Those lazy folks are not gonna get off their ass friend, and they will bring down the whole of the country with them by degrading our standards of living. Look at Lagos and other African cities as good examples of this. We don’t carry their weight because it’s the humane thing to do. The American way of life directly depends on it! It’s a small price to pay buddy! The real wastes are in all the new departments created under Bush, DHS and all the underground stuff setup to fight terror.

America will never be a Communist country even if we doubled our existing social service! Those who contrived the existing social services didn’t set down and say ok let’s do some Marxist, Communist sh*t. They sat down and said what will build a brighter day, what will ensure a constantly improving quality of life for our citizens. You seek to decrease the quality of life for Americans with this rhetoric. Would you really like to live in a place like Lagos?

Here are some very nice videos of Lagos. veehd.com...

Just for those who have munged history:

The Southern Democrats (or Dixie Democrats) defected en-masse to the Republican party especially after the passage of the Civil Rights Act. The Southern Democrats were considered right-wing. The Republican Party of Lincoln's time was considered liberal and left-leaning, and is now vanished. The current parties only share a name with these earlier versions, while southern states still have remnants of Dixie Democrats mixed in with the Republican party. The Republican party of today bears NO resemblance to the one of Lincoln's time.

I truly resent your outrageous claims that everyone in the south is racist, and you owe me, and every southerner on this board an apology. You are mistaken, misguided, and bigoted.

I am absolutely horrified at your ridiculous claims. You need guidance badly, and you should try to learn more about the subject matter before you make a claim such as this nonsense. I truly resent these comments.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by BigTimeCheater

 

WHY DON’T YOU PEOPLE GET ANGRY OVER WAR?

We do, but there is also a time and place for a just war. Sometimes evil, and evil does exist, needs to be fought against. Now, I will concede that the last few presidents have started wars based out of selfish greed and little else. Those wars are wrong, and I too wish we had never started them.

WHEN PEOPLE STARVE TO DEATH?

Yup, also makes me sad. That's why I choose to donate food to food pantries and sponsor children in other countries. People starving is a serious issue, but it doesn't give the government the right to take my money and use it how it sees fit. They may help some people who would legitimately starve without support, but many people are also taking advantage of the system. I would like you to consider these verses from 2 Thessalonians chapter 3:10-11.

10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies.

The early Christians made sure there were no poor among themselves and gave to each other as they had need, but those in need were also supposed to find some way to work in order to earn the aid they were receiving.

OVER POVERTY?

See above.

PREVENTABLE DISEASE?

Yea, people dying of preventable diseases makes me mad, but it also makes me mad when people die of required immunizations and vaccines. Ever read about the Swine Flu from the 1970's? Our current medical system is definitely flawed as its not about helping people but about making money, but the way our current leadership is trying to change that is only going to make things worse.

YOU GET ANGRY WHEN THEY RAISE TAXES FOR THE RICH!

Yup, and I get angry when they raise taxes on the poor as well. Isn't it discrimination to tax any group of people more heavily than another group? Just because they have more money doesn't mean they should be taxed more. If you ask me, the IRS should be dismantled and all tax, period, should be converted to a sales tax. There would be less government jobs for our taxes to pay for, everyone-body would be taxed (even illegals), and you wouldn't have to worry about ever sending a check to the government. Yea, I get angry when they raise taxes period.

WHAT KIND OF PHILOSOPHY IS THAT?

Mine is pretty sound imo.

What has that got to do with the constitution?

The government uses my tax money to murder people and build weapons of mass destruction in the trillions of dollars.

WHY NOT GET ANGRY OVER THAT?

I do. I've considered with-holding taxes because I don't want my money funding un-just wars that kill innocents or funding something like murdering innocent children, aka abortion. Heck, I don't even want my money funding things like NASA. If my tax dollars are going towards somebody's dream of launching a rocket at the moon, then I better get a turn as well.

What does it have to do with the constitution? Everything! That's what the nation was founded on. Christian principles and freedom. Both the Republican and Democratic parties have long ago turned away from those things and we need to get back to them.

WHAT KIND OF MORALITY DO YOU HAVE?

The right ones? Kinda a silly question. Usually people have the morals that they believe to be correct. Some people disregard them entirely (usually placing their own well-being as their top priority above all else) but many people put others first.

ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN?

Yes.

Not sure what that one has to do with the post though, unless you are trying to say that Christians should give up their rights and hard earned money to support lazy people and stand by and do nothing while evil men dominate entire countries and kill innocent people.

reply to post by Donkey_Dean


But our current social services system is broken. It is abused. Should those not working at all have the same standards of living as those working? I don't think so. Do I want them to starve of freeze to death in the cold? Of course not. But our system has created a group of people that feel entitled to everything they need and much, much more.

I would never want to have to live in the conditions that can be found in many 3rd world countries, that is why I am proud to live in America and it is why I work. To put food on the table and a roof over my head.

Edit: If you have a poor quality of life, you have to work to improve it. If people are too lazy to work to improve their condition, then they must not hate their current position too much. I don't seek to lower the quality of life for American's, I seek for each person to get what they deserve. If they don't do anything, they don't deserve anything. Living in America isn't about having a good quality of life anyway, it's about freedom and what you do with it. As it is, we are servants to the state.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by Dantas

 

Sadly, I find your post simplistic. You see, the people who "choose" to not work are a minority in our society. My local McDonalds places seem to be fully stuffed and toilets are mostly clean. So yes, there is a fraction of freeloaders out there, but by summarily attacking social security, you deny chances to those who are in fact temporarily out of work. And some of the latter are such because well, it's capitalism. Everything has its price.

I can agree with you in this: I also don't buy things I can't really afford. I've seen people who look pretty poor buy $15 DVDs and heaps of pet food, and I personally don't do that. Well, let's just carry on. The burden of a reasonable man.

I am not an elitist intillectual so don't try and come off as one of the forums. I can tell you businesses are needing help badly here. My 16 yr old has had to turn down hours of work because of athletics but at one time was doing school, athletics and putting in 40 hours a week at McDonalds. There are jobs out there if people will look. If your getting a free ride you have no incitive to work. I understand and have compassion for those truely in need but I don't need the government telling me what I should pay for them. I gladly give freely to those in need and I think most American's would also.I see all the time people paying for food with "Food Stamps" then having them taken out to a NEW car or truck. I see those same people BBQ'ing and drinking beer in the front yard while I'm headed home from work. Then they come in to the Emergency Room for a cold and we foot the bill for that as well through Medicaid.

The Conservate Republicans are the ones who are trying to create jobs by lowering taxes which in turn gives more money to business to expand and hire more workers who in turn pay taxes and use that income too purchase more items which allows business to expand and hire more workers. It's a win/win situation for everyone.

Social Security is broke. The government has spent that money. It will never work. I don't need the government taking my money to invest and use so I can recieve some benefits when I retire. I'd rather have control over that money myself and invest as I see fit.

reply to post by Dantas

I see all the time people paying for food with "Food Stamps" then having them taken out to a NEW car or truck. I see those same people BBQ'ing and drinking beer in the front yard while I'm headed home from work. Then they come in to the Emergency Room for a cold and we foot the bill for that as well through Medicaid.

You sound like a weath of information, and a great resource for reporting these abuses to the Fraud Hotline.

Please call them now. You will need at least a car tag number off one of those great new trucks you see in the parking lot, or some kind of way they can reach these criminals. You can get the address from the barbeques off their mailbox, just make sure they bought the beer with food stamps, so they can also go after the store that sold it to them

Remember that when the case goes to the DA's office for prosecution, and during the investigative process, you will need to back up the claims with real information.

Good luck to you. You are a great American to want to stop these fraudulent criminals.

reply to post by inforeal


Wow, this lefty loon has covered all the lefty base taking points of BOOSH bashing, race baiting, stereotyping of southerners, tea party bashing, evil corporate profits, wars, ect..... I bet you are a guest of honor in Nancy Pelosi's household. Personally Im with Cheater, if you hate this place so much Id love to help you relocate... I love this country, I put my live on the line in the military to serve this great nation in the Marine Corps...and there werent millions of people killed in Iraq..wow...where did that figure come from???? I love my God, Country, Constitution, and Corps, and Ill be damned if Im gonna let some vile socialist/commie groups take over it. FYI your ranting about all the deaths, ect. NOTHING has killed more people on this planet than socialism/communism. NOTHING.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by Zanti Misfit

 

Believe me, if the Tea party came out when Bush was killing human beings and denounced that, I would be all for them, in-fact of all the Tea Partiers, I have respect for RON PAUL because he denounced the Iraq war.

Good to know, because the Tea Party started during the Bush administration.

The REAL Tea Party, that is. And it wasn't a Republican/Democrat thing, it was more of a common sense thing.

But you are a prime example of what a little rhetoric and MSM stories can turn a legit belief/movement/whatever into.

reply to post by Victor03


And you are a right loon who has NO MORALITY, SENSE, AND YOU ARE ANTI-AMERICAN, AND PRO RICH BOY

reply to post by Victor03


Your Beloved George Bush murdered those american troops in the Iraq war that was based on a lie. And people like you have enabled the murder of young americans by people like Bush and Cheney.

It is becasue of your macho man america is always right- nazi-like mentality that our american boys are dead. I hope you and your ilk can sleep at night with all your fake macho man death wishes.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting

You sound like a weath of information, and a great resource for reporting these abuses to the Fraud Hotline.

Please call them now. You will need at least a car tag number off one of those great new trucks you see in the parking lot, or some kind of way they can reach these criminals. You can get the address from the barbeques off their mailbox, just make sure they bought the beer with food stamps, so they can also go after the store that sold it to them

Remember that when the case goes to the DA's office for prosecution, and during the investigative process, you will need to back up the claims with real information.

Good luck to you. You are a great American to want to stop these fraudulent criminals.

A bit of sarcasm aye? You think I make this up? If I had the time to do just that I would. I'll take some pics next time I'm at the grocery store and post em up here so you can see what I'm talking about. They use the food card to buy the food then cash to buy beer and cigs. Can't complain much about the fact they are the ones who buy the most lottery tickets as we have a lottory instead of a State Tax so in essence they pay our State Tax with the money given to them through gov benefits. I don't play the lotto.

If you don't believe me about the Medicaid just ask anyone who works in an E.R.