What could this Be?? 911 - Second Strike Footage... Wing Disapears

reply to post by Korg Trinity


Only TWELVE minutes from my posting above, with a lot of links to read, and videos to watch....and you spilt garbage from that idiotic "PilotsFor9/11Truth" clubhouse of fools???

(I realize, to the uniniated and inexperienced in aviation, they seem to be "plausible" videos...but those of us WITH experience and knowledge know better).

Each and every one of those videos is easily explained, by me, and the other REAL pilots on ATS, who don't hide behind that false "Truth" agenda, and twist and skew the videos put out, in order to drum up sales for DVDs, and ball caps and T-shirts and other knick-knacks. "P4T" is a FOR-PROFIT outfit. USING the hysteria over the so-called "9/11 Truth Movement" in every disingenuous way possible. As are many, many others.

(Earlier this year they sent e-mails to their members, soliciting them to BUY some DVDs for, of all things, their Moms for Mother's Day!!!) :shk:

You posted five videos, for a total of over 40 minutes. It's your thread...want me to demolish each of their videos point-by-point??? With facts, not with spurious innuendo and distortions. They (really, let's face it...it's only ONE guy running his own vanity website) like to "bedazzle" the audience with jargon, graphs, and references that are in most instances, irrelevant to their "argument". I can see right through the deception (as can my colleagues).....doesn't it make you wonder WHY their "membership" is so small? There is a distinct paucity of qualified airline pilots that are in their "camp"...they have but a handful of "credentialed" pilots who (for reasons UNKNOWN to me) have put their names and (what's left of) their reputations out into the public eye...because that invites ridicule and scorn, from the rest of us.

Originally posted by MiMobs
reply to post by elevatedone

 

I apologize.. I allowed myself to react in a negative manner.. I think I was allot of the reason for the negativity... I will stop that right this post

Apology accepted.

And to answer your question of why I believe the footage of 911 has been augmented... please review these video's and look at the website in this post....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Korg.

reply to post by Korg Trinity


Why is this like pulling teeth? I am going to leave after this post, if it goes ignored again..

Did a passenger jet hit the pentagon?

Originally posted by MiMobs
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Yes it did.. and it was removed.. lets get back on topic.
Will you please answer my question. Did a passenger jet hit the pentagon - In your opinion.

Hello? I said P-e- n-t-a-g-o-n ... I know your take on the WTC.. I am asking about the pentagon.

edit on 27-10-2010 by MiMobs because: (no reason given)

Sorry I was reading too fast...

Nope I do not think that what hit the pentigon was a passanger jet. To clarify, I do not think any passenger jets were used in any of the strikes on 9/11.

If anything the Pentigon is the white elephant when it comes to the actual strikes.

Korg.

reply to post by Korg Trinity


I was sitting on the BW parkway and saw the plane with my own eyes... I was working for an internet company on 19th and L at the time.

There are a few of us here on ATS that worked there at the time. We all rode to work together. 4 of US saw with our own eyes the plane impact the pentagon. We then sat on the side of the parkway for 3 hours watching the aftermath.


I lived 15 miles from there... I personally know 20 to 30 people that either saw the impact or saw the plane come in over the patomac.

This is why I dont understand why some of you guys have such a firm stance on something that is complete and total conspiracy garbage!

reply to post by Korg Trinity


I think you should know that the "website" you are now urging people to link to, the "PilotsFor9/11Truth"??

Even THEY rejected the "hologram" notions....they are at least that rational, even if the rest of it is a load of horse wash.

They are also (or were) in the delusional camp regarding American 77 at the Pentagon. That was when they were still on good terms with a different group, the "CIT". They ("P4T" and "CIT") have since had a spat, so unsure as to the current status of "P4T" 'co-founder' Rob Balsamo, and "CIT" co-founder Crag Ranke. Mr. Ranke is a current ATS member, I believe. Inactive lately. So, all I can say is I think his work, in his Pentagon "investigations", is grossly negligent and horribly flawed.


You will find, at "P4T", many, many, many flaws as well on THAT topic, which diverges from your thread. Suffice to say, their claims of the "11.2 G pullout" at level off (result of skewing the "math"), their failed attempt to discredit the RADES84 radar data, and the biggest blunder of all, the American 77 "Flight Deck Door" imbroglio!! The egg on their face, from that (and others) is still dripping....because, they are too vain (or "proud") to EVER admit their mistakes, and post corrections. Instead, more and more hand-waving obfuscation.....gotta keep that gravy train rollin'!!!

Originally posted by MiMobs
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

I was sitting on the BW parkway and saw the plane with my own eyes... I was working for an internet company on 19th and L at the time.

There are a few of us here on ATS that worked there at the time. We all rode to work together. 4 of US saw with our own eyes the plane impact the pentagon. We then sat on the side of the parkway for 3 hours watching the aftermath.


I lived 15 miles from there... I personally know 20 to 30 people that either saw the impact or saw the plane come in over the patomac.

This is why I dont understand why some of you guys have such a firm stance on something that is complete and total conspiracy garbage!

I'm sorry to say this and don't take it personally but I simply don't believe you. You may have indeed worked there and been present that day, but all the evidence shows that this is not what hit the pentagon.

There is monster thread here on ATS about it...

Absolute proof: A Pentagon picture montage from start to finish

Korg.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

I think you should know that the "website" you are now urging people to link to, the "PilotsFor9/11Truth"??

Even THEY rejected the "hologram" notions....they are at least that rational, even if the rest of it is a load of horse wash.

I never said I believed it was a hologram... I said the footage shows Augmented Reality... Digital renditions overlays actual events.

Why??

To cover over what actually hit the wtc that day.

Korg.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity

Nope I do not think that what hit the pentigon was a passanger jet. To clarify, I do not think any passenger jets were used in any of the strikes on 9/11.

What of the crash site in Pennsylvania then?
What was that?

reply to post by Korg Trinity


Of course you wouldn't believe me. But yet you believe that a wing disapeared on a plane... But there are countless photos showing otherwise...

This is something that I really do not care if you believe.. Its kind of like aliens.. I wont fully believe until i see them for myself... So I understand where you are coming from..

But....Why would I lie?

There is another member here that was on 395 and saw the plane and heard the impact. He also worked for Blackboard.com

I was able to talk to him through motorolla 2 way for about 5 minutes after the impact.. I saw the plane hit.. Period!!!

here is where I give you no reason NOT to believe me..

I think something is really f'd up about the OS.. I think we knew about it and possibly assisted the "terrorists"...

But I can not for the life of me understand why someone would think that it was a missle. I lived in Dale City, about 15 miles south of the pentagon...

Nearly everyone that lived in my Neighborhood commuted to DC for work. Countless people either saw the impact or saw the planes and couldnt see the impact from 395 or 95.

We had a buddy that was a bartender at the crystal city bar.... He said the plane shook his building like an earthquake.

Our daily lives consisted of sharing our experience about the pentagon...

here is more proof for the guy that demands proof ... but requires none to make his theories..

I have seen the picture.. its out there.. I had a silver mini van at the time. There are pictures of my minivan parked on the parkway with the drivers door open. we are about 50 yards behind it talking to a guy that was video taping the aftermath... You really cant see us but the man-van is in full effect!

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by Korg Trinity

Nope I do not think that what hit the pentigon was a passanger jet. To clarify, I do not think any passenger jets were used in any of the strikes on 9/11.

What of the crash site in Pennsylvania then?
What was that?

edit on 10/27/2010 by eNumbra because: (no reason given)

Does this look like a plane crash site???

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c2c4dc258d73.jpeg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b538d6e0e5bc.jpg[/atsimg]

I mean where is the plane??

And please don't tell me that the entire plane was smashed into pieces no bigger than a cigarette packet.... Cause it's just not feasible.

Korg.

Originally posted by MiMobs
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Of course you wouldn't believe me. But yet you believe that a wing disapeared on a plane... But there are countless photos showing otherwise...

I don't believe the wing disappeared... I think it was a software glitch with whatever they were using to augment the media. In other words the reason the wing appears to disapear is because the wing you see is not real, it is graphics overlaying whatever it was the hit wtc.

Korg.

reply to post by Korg Trinity


I didn't say it was a plane.

I'm asking you what your alternative theory is.

reply to post by Korg Trinity


Digital overlay whats???

Firstly do some basic research into what and what is not possible when manipulating live feed.

Second. Have a look at ALL the 911 plane impact footage online of the (better still ask to see a friends footage of the event, I know I did) and tell us then that ALL of it has been re-comped.

Third. Then tell us the GOV has a crack team of underground special effects (maybe ex-ILM) agents working round the clock to fudge the footage.

I could go on...

You and so many others are dissecting choice footage only, not all of it.
You have no case, none what so ever.

S

Omg! The video that started this thread has already been debunked by picture and video proof which I provided. There was no "glitch" in the video. I don't get why you guys keep ignoring the proof, it's plain as day that there was a wing. That YouTube video just lacks the quality needed to see it. Jeez.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Why are there so many people out there that are willing to ignore all the warning signs in favour of what they were told? Ignore all the evidence and just go with it was Osama that did it??

Come on.... Look at the footage and stop trying to down play what surely is a whistle blowing piece of footage!!

Korg.

They are so afraid of what they stand for will drop to nothing more than sh.itt and reliase that there gospel story isn't true, bhuu huu ..

Mr

Originally posted by MrAnnunaki

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Why are there so many people out there that are willing to ignore all the warning signs in favour of what they were told? Ignore all the evidence and just go with it was Osama that did it??

Come on.... Look at the footage and stop trying to down play what surely is a whistle blowing piece of footage!!

Korg.

They are so afraid of what they stand for will drop to nothing more than sh.itt and reliase that there gospel story isn't true, bhuu huu ..

Mr

Or, the only person afraid of losing something is Korg, who continues to get points on this site as long as he holds up that nothing could convince him that the plane kept its wing.

If anything, I would honestly suspect this thread of being disinfo, since it puts so much emphasis on something that has been disproven multiple times throughout the thread. Yet, no matter how much logic or reason comes into play, Korg chimes in with his comments about how everyone who can't see what he sees is insane (equivalent). Then, other gullible truthers chime in as well, simply agreeing with Korg's conspiracy theorist pandering statements.

I think we should stick with logic and reason in this one, seriously. All this "it's so obvious" and "an idiot could see what I see" talk needs to stop immediately. All it does is degrade the discussion, and does nothing to prove a point.

reply to post by MrAnnunaki


I notice that all you have been doing of late is stirring it on many threads. What are your beliefs? Lay it out for all to see. Better still show us something substantial to back it up.

S

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
I have explained on a number of occasions throughout the thread what I personally believe happened. But that is not what this thread is about. It's about asking others what they think and hopefully adding some evidence.

This thread is about asking other what they think?! And you expected decorum, respect and civility?! So this thread is NOT about any evidence to support your claim made on page 3, that a digital plane was overlayed over a real plane?

It's just a general question thread? Hey guys what do you think happened here?

Are you listening to yourself?! So according to your rules (as it were). I don't need any evidence of my claim. I can just chime in every few pages and tell you that it is crappy compressed footage.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
It's called collaboration.... Something clearly you don’t understand.

I understand that you presented a theory with no evidence other than 2 crappy videos.

The rest of your "theory" falls apart when the real questions are asked, like who, why, how etc..

But I guess that doesn't matter since your purpose for this thread is to ask others what they think.

If you wanted collaboration, expect disappointment.

ON TOPIC:
Crappy compressed digital file along with lighting anomalies is what you are seeing in the videos presented.

Originally posted by stucoles
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Digital overlay whats???

Firstly do some basic research into what and what is not possible when manipulating live feed.

Errr maybe it's you who are a little out of date?? Never heard of Augmented reality??? Actually we are all out of date, the govt and military have tech that wont see the light of day for 20 years +

This is what is possible today..... so would have been available 20 years ago to the people in power...







Korg.