I just saw Fahrenheit 9/11....

ATSluvdroid I'm just so sorry you don't understand how Policy is made.

The "Iron Triangle" Makes Policy.

That includes Legislature, Bureaucracy and Interest Groups.

I don't see "President" anywhere on there.

Of course the President pushes his own stuff but when it gets to the nitty-gritty he's only influential so long as the Congress lets him be.

As G H.W. Bush proved, sometimes Congress can be an arse and push you in a way you didn't want to go.

G H.W. Bush said "no new taxes" Congress said, "Shut-up" and raised taxes and that lost Bush the 2nd term (one large reason).

So I suggest you really start to look at things more skeptically, no one person has control of any situation in this world. That is on purpose.

Becuase WWI was a result of individuals having complete control of their situation. And their own insecurities and personal problems led to the deaths of 15million peoples.

After WW2, we constructed a world where no one man can do anything.

That's why I asked you what the political system of our world currently is.

If you understand what it is, you realize why men like Bush are not "all powerful" and why men like Saddam must be gotten rid of.

freemason's funny. he knows everything. he's always right. it's AMAZING!
there will be a serious libel suit if the content of the film is a lie.

but, one second, ... i'm getting......, ...this just in.....doo dooo doo do do do ..do
they ALL work for the new world order. so do you all. welcome to the machine, as my good friend pink used to say.

Do you work for the NWO too?

Do I? Wait! What! I totally didnt get my namebadge!!!!!!!!

It's interesting though in the vote in Congress for a war in Iraq was only opposed by 1 republican in the Senate along with 21 of 40 democrats. In the House, 6 republicans along with 126 of 212 democrats. Seems that as a whole the republicans in the republican owned Congress were largely with Bush.

Do not forget as well that during the time of the vote, everyone was pretty sure about the stockpiles of WMDs. How do you think the vote would have faired out knowing what we do now?

As far as the intelligence director of Clinton's administration, namely Tenet, well, it seems he got his last laugh of the WMDs, good thing he decided to resign. And anyway, since when should politics within a country decide the role of an Intelligence director, aren't they supposed to report facts, not decide the fate of a country???

yes. until we collectively break the yoke of mental slavery, we are all just tools of the controllers. we unwittingly do their bidding every day. we are reaction machines.

I didn't know Tenet also served under the Bush senior administration, interesting, seems he is not really a prominent political figure

Hmm, all those facts posted and yet the two who begged for them now have little to say?

They must be off in google land trying to find their responses.

lol

Can't wait!

Eh? What facts were posted?/ The list of how the government works? I read that in the 6th grade dear friend. Hahahahha! We had little to say to you about your facts because YOU LEFT! ahhhhh irony

Yea man, I guess I have to insult them to get any response from the facts I presented. I actually enjoy debating, it would get kind of boring if everyone agreed with everyone else...

Check out the end of page 5 for postings from moore's website.

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PLUS- I dont use google anymore...there was a thread that said google was evil!

Of all the people that have seen the movie, what was your favorite part? Most shocking part? Any parts you disagreed with?

I always wondered if there is a better search engine than google. Google is good for some stuff, but it can't compare to some databases that exist out there for specific topics.

I'll reply to your facts! I seriously didnt see them, I though page 5 was ended and jumped straight to FreeMason going off about ATSluv!

Q: Why were the bin ladens jetted out of the country?

A: So they wouldnt be murdered. Most of the bin ladens live in Texas. I dont know if youve stopped by these parts lately but...not too many people like the good old bin ladens anymore. Most people are old white republicans who love Bush and hate Osama. The bin laden airport is about 10 minutes away from my house. Thank god those people left the country! They would have been killed in their sleep or lynched by crazy Texan mobs! Alot of conspiracy theorists will make you believe that the goernment made up information to make their case against Iraw stronger (which they probably did). So if they're trying to make a better case, why would they make public that Osama had been exiled, had no connection with anyone in his family, his HUGE family, except his mother? The contacts with her even were rare, and monitored by the CIA long before 9-11 (he was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List for a while). That's my take on why they split pretty quick, but heck, I might be wrong so I'm not promising anything.

Originally posted by Jamuhn
I always wondered if there is a better search engine than google. Google is good for some stuff, but it can't compare to some databases that exist out there for specific topics.

Ahhh ha! I too was once lost in confusion..until I discovered something ATS had hidden! Kinda..ha!

Other Resources of Information

Tons of links to other search engines, most for specific subjects. Somewhere in there is a thread I made looking for search engines, I think someone gave me a big list of engines, but it might have been in a u2u so im not sure.

Yea, I've been texas, just along the coast, not the bible belt or anything, but that's perfectly reasonable that they wouldn't want to be harassed. I'm know many arabs were harassed after 9/11 and they would probably be getting it most of anyone else. I haven't really done much research though as far as the time line. If they left 9/14-16, when was the announcement that Osama did it made or at least confirmed in respect. And how can they be sure of no foreknowledge on the family's part. Also, there is the part of the Saudis flying out as well, the nationality of which comprising the majority of hijackers.

BTW, It's turned out that at least 2 of the named hijackers have been found well and alive with no relation to the flight. It seems they either had their passports stolen or were singled out for being Arab at the same school as some other hijackers. anyway...

So uh....whats taking so long on those masterful rebuttals guys?

You begged repeatedly for one fact to rip apart and got a group of them...now it's dead silence.

Google not comin up with anythin for yas?

I'm just going to leave it at that.

Thanks fer playin!

Originally posted by FreeMason

African American votes were counted in every state, the problem in Florida (which is what you are confusing) was that florida did not allow felons to vote and a LARGE majority of Blacks in florida are ironically felons and so weren't allowed to vote.

Would you care to document your claim that a large majority of Blacks in Florida are felons?

His films are biased, they are not true documentaries. They do not show both sides. bin Laden's family has denounced him since 9/11, Moore tell you that? He just takes footage and edits it so that weak-minded people who need a film to make them form beliefs, come to see it.

Of course I'll see it, I need to see a good comedy.

Originally posted by donguillermo

Originally posted by FreeMason

African American votes were counted in every state, the problem in Florida (which is what you are confusing) was that florida did not allow felons to vote and a LARGE majority of Blacks in florida are ironically felons and so weren't allowed to vote.

Would you care to document your claim that a large majority of Blacks in Florida are felons?

The problem is that a lot of people in Florida were listed as felons even though some of them had never even been arrested.

The BBC did a good documentary called Bush Family Fortunes which contained an investigation into the Florida Election scandal.

I have a clip of it posted on my Yahoo group (not enough space here)
groups.yahoo.com...

Originally posted by JediMaster
His films are biased

The film is the equivalent of an editorial except it uses video instead of the written word to express its position. Of course it is biased, so are the editorials written by buckley, coulter and other republican supporters. Are you willing to levy the same complaint against these editorial writers? If not, you are biased too.
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