I just saw Fahrenheit 9/11....

Of course I'm biased, your probaly too. Everyone not being biased to a side is communism-esque.

The thing is, people are flocking to his biased films and beliving them without looking at the other facts.

His films should not be considered political facts. I will see F-911 incase I am wrong, I will see it because he maybe right. I may doubt this but I must study my political enemies.

Originally posted by FreeMason

We want ONE fact that Michael Moore said "THIS IS A TRUTH!"

So we can debate it.

You want facts? I've got your facts for you right here.

www.michaelmoore.com...

www.michaelmoore.com...

Originally posted by donguillermo
You want facts? I've got your facts for you right here.

www.michaelmoore.com...

www.michaelmoore.com...

Yes and you used Michaels Moore's own website as evidence, bloody brilliant.

I think he was asking for proof from an unbiased source, oh say the 9/11 Commission.

You use a man's website of propaganda to prove his propoganda piece of cinema, Im speechless.

Originally posted by Agent47
Yes and you used Michaels Moore's own website as evidence, bloody brilliant.

I think he was asking for proof from an unbiased source, oh say the 9/11 Commission.

You use a man's website of propaganda to prove his propoganda piece of cinema, Im speechless.

Are you reading impaired? I was responding to what FreeMason said --

We want ONE fact that Michael Moore said "This is the truth!" So we can debate it.

FreeMason didn't ask for proof of Michael Moore's facts; he asked for what Michael Moore claimed were the facts. I can't think of any better source for what Michael Moore claims are the facts than Michael Moore's website.

Originally posted by donguillermo

Are you reading impaired?

Yes I am dyslexic thanks for making fun of me.

Donguillemero actually did answer appropriately, what is Michael Moore purporting as facts? Well nothing really.

Michael Moore says something to the affect, "Why did we spend 14,000 troops on Afghanistan versus 140,000 on Iraq? Halliburton might be an answer. What's the truth? You decide."

The fact is Michael Moore is just expressing opinion, his opinion, he did no research, he found people who agreed with his opinion to interview, and ignored people who disagreed with his opinion.

He then edited everything into a "movie fassion" threw in some nifty Anti-Vietnam music and sold it.

The reality is debunking Michael Moore's movie is going to be incredibly difficult because it never actually states anything.

It takes a peice of truth over there, a peice of truth from down elsewhere, and says they are related but NEVER shows any relationship.

The only way to debunk Michael Moore would be if Moore tried to prove a relationship, but he's not that stupid because everyone with commonsense and knowledge on the matter knows that there is no relationship between the "evidence" he presents.

And he only presents the leftist's side.

I wish someone would try and prove that Michael Moore's assertions on the "connections" are true or not.

No one even bothers to try, if someone does I'll be glad to simply show why they are not true.

For instance, we did not go into Iraq for "oil" there is no connection between Halliburton and United States Foriegn policy.

Ugh here's what I mean, taken from one of Michael Moore's sites.

"Author Dan Briody: Carlyle Group was holding its annual investor conference on the morning of September 11th in the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington, D.C. � George H. W. Bush � left the morning of September 11th. Shafiq bin Ladin, who is Osama bin Laden�s half-brother, and was in town to look after his family�s investments in the Carlyle Group. All of them, together in one room, watching as the planes hit the towers."

Notice where it says "Osama bin Laden's half-brother".

As if that's supposed to be ominous?

Have you any idea how many half-brothers Osama has?

He has about 30.

Do you seriously think Osama even knows all 30 of them, considering he left the family in 1980, let alone has even a semi-personal relationship with all of them?

This is trying to "lead" on the ignorant to believing something that is not there.

Originally posted by Agent47
You use a man's website of propaganda to prove his propoganda piece of cinema, Im speechless.

Moores site is linked to the official 911 commission website, the convservative judicial watch website and the St Petersberg Times to support his representations. The fact that the links pass through moores website makes them no less valid, no less credible and no less official. It seems to me that you should have remained speechless until visiting the site. Your bias is showing, better cover it up.

Official 911 Commission
www.9-11commission.gov...

Judicial Watch
www.judicialwatch.org...

St Petersberg Times
www.sptimes.com...
.

Originally posted by JediMaster
Of course I'm biased,

I had already figured out that you are biased after reading this in your signature

John Kerry is a Communist Stooge.

My response? Bush = Hitler.

Bush-Hilter Links

Originally posted by donguillermo

My response? Bush = Hitler.

Bush-Hilter Links

This is one of the most rediculous statements I have heard on this site.

Originally posted by nyarlathotep
This is one of the most rediculous statements I have heard on this site.

Dont say that just yet, we still have a long future of posting from our friend here.

Originally posted by donguillermo

My response? Bush = Hitler.

Bush-Hilter Links

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA

Hitler loved war for "war's sake". Hitler wanted to destroy all slavic peoples, and started WWII as an attempt to do that.

Bush does not love war for "war's sake" nor does he hate anyone, he has not attempted to destroy the Iraqi peoples, or the Moslem peoples, he has been far from a "Hitler" given the provocation of 9/11.

Hitler had no provocation.

America on 9/11 had every right to blame all Moslems for this and smash them to the stone age.

Instead Bush (as opposed to Hitler) said "This is not an act of all Moslems, show no hatred towards them."

Originally posted by donguillermo

Originally posted by FreeMason

African American votes were counted in every state, the problem in Florida (which is what you are confusing) was that florida did not allow felons to vote and a LARGE majority of Blacks in florida are ironically felons and so weren't allowed to vote.

Would you care to document your claim that a large majority of Blacks in Florida are felons?

Hey, FreeMason, when are you going to respond to my question?

Originally posted by donguillermo
Hey, FreeMason, when are you going to respond to my question?

Granted that you did ask this question a while back, but its interesting you decided to pull that card when faced with Free Mason's last argument.

Originally posted by Agent47

Originally posted by donguillermo
Hey, FreeMason, when are you going to respond to my question?

Granted that you did ask this question a while back, but its interesting you decided to pull that card when faced with Free Mason's last argument.

I have no argument with FreeMason's last post. Of course there are many ways in which Bush is not like Hitler. But there are also frightening parallels between Germany in the 1930's and the USA in 2004. Go read some of the links cited in Bush-Hitler Links.

Also, please note that I made the "Bush = Hitler" comment to satirize JediMaster's signature that says "John Kerry is a Communist Stooge."

Tell you what. If you will agree that "John Kerry is a Communist Stooge" is a ridiculous statement, I will agree that "Bush = Hitler" is a ridiculous statement.

Originally posted by donguillermo
Tell you what. If you will agree that "John Kerry is a Communist Stooge" is a ridiculous statement, I will agree that "Bush = Hitler" is a ridiculous statement.

Thats probably the first rational calm offer someone has made this whole 7 pages.

I agree completely.

[edit on 26-6-2004 by Agent47]

DonGuillermo, I will answer the question directed at Freemason. I did a little research on the net and found this:

The conservative estimate is that 1 out of 4 black men is excluded from the polls in Florida, including those who are currently incarcerated

This was taken from this article

OK, so it may not be a large majority, however, 1 in 4 of a conservative estimate still is a lot.

Originally posted by Agent47

Originally posted by donguillermo
Tell you what. If you will agree that "John Kerry is a Communist Stooge" is a ridiculous statement, I will agree that "Bush = Hitler" is a ridiculous statement.

Thats probably the first rational calm offer someone has made this whole 7 pages.

I agree completely.

[edit on 26-6-2004 by Agent47]

I agree with you as well on that.

Originally posted by nyarlathotep
DonGuillermo, I will answer the question directed at Freemason. I did a little research on the net and found this:

The conservative estimate is that 1 out of 4 black men is excluded from the polls in Florida, including those who are currently incarcerated

This was taken from this article

OK, so it may not be a large majority, however, 1 in 4 of a conservative estimate still is a lot.

But FreeMason didn't say Black Men, he said Blacks. I don't have the statistics, but I am pretty sure a lot less than 1 in 4 Black Women in Florida are felons. In any case, FreeMason's assertion that a large majority of Blacks in Florida are felons is clearly false.