What I believe is proof of ets on earth -

reply to post by Croda

If the visiting ETs had craft that could travel across the galaxy, why would they need to resort to using fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters when they got here? What advantages does a helicopter offer the ET that a spaceship does not?

It could be possible that the craft used to traverse interstellar space can not operate in the same capacity when in atmosphere. Aerodynamics could play a role, as could fuel consumption, travel distance, or any practicality of use.

It could even be possible that the helicopter, aircraft, and submarine type depictions could have been an artists rendering of what the E.T.'s had been using for interstellar travel and to fly around early civilizations in or what they may have told the natives to work toward building.

Many things can be explained through speculation and nearly everything that has a reason for not fitting in place also has another reasoning where it does fit perfectly.

i so firmly agree! i would also add that a lot of the ufo sitings we hear of these days could very well be gov't craft and i firmly believe that these gov't craft are natzi craft! i think that we will have a show of force by the non-et's prior to the real et's to usher in the one world gov't through the grand deception that they have planned. what does this mean? it means to me a least, that the deception, is the first coming again of et's will be the deceiver or the non-benevolent deception or what some might call the rapture! remember most christian believe in the the second coming and i believe this could be the wisdom we might want to consider! this is my thought and cannot be backed by a link! sorry. we were planted here!!!

I for one agree with you that E.T.s have visited and intervened in the history of this planet, I'm about 96.5% sure of that.
However the statement you made about alien craft not being government craft because our government wasn't around back then was a little iffy.
If these aliens were capable of visiting us thousands of years ago it means they were/still are technologically ahead of us by a long shot. It also suggests that the visitations probably haven't stopped and I think that many of today's eyewitness accounts of UFOs could in fact be down to government black ops projects.
I think this because I believe there is a cover up and what some people are witnessing could have easily been reverse engineered from recovered craft or even directly handed over, mainly to the US government, through direct contact.
Just look at how far we've come in such a relatively short time....
This still leaves room for genuine alien craft sightings but none have yet been proved, which is why I'm keeping 3.5% aside just in case
S&F for you.
Peace
WCS

reply to post by centurion1211


in twenty years even a thousand people might get the chance to read these post and try to decipher our glyf's and wonder what the hell we were trying to say. just think about that for a while. what would you write on paper and put in a bottle?

This is another strange thread I wonder if it's the same OP

I agree the Ancient Aliens theory is really really good, but absolute proof? I don't know about that.

Do you think there has always been a secret society picking up all the evidence all this time? Possibly...

But what if all they had was their ships, and perhaps the mere difference between us and them was the Aliens were way more genetically advanced, and maybe were wise enough to use the basic tools and artifacts they had back then to build massive structures that we cannot duplicate today?

What about certain temples that have carvings where archeologist discovered the architects of these carvings must of used diamond tip tools.

Maybe it is hard for us to fathom because the Alien beings moved faster, were stronger, taller, shorter, smarter, and had more than 5 sense. Who knows...

To me that seems more alien

Maybe Aliens taught people how to study the Stars without advanced equipment.

There are a number of of Ancient sites that are pretty up in the air as far as explanation.

Also I'm pretty sure most Native American folklore has to do with being direct descendants from the Stars.

reply to post by daluniverse


man, op i believe in ufo's and the et hypothesis but this is no proof of anything other than your lack of reason for thinking it is proof. the way you finished the first paragraph into the second, something like, well all these ancient civilizations talked about gods from the sky, then 'now that we have established that et's visited earth.

what?! couldnt even bring myself to read further. you need to present some evidence and make a case if you're going to say something like '100 percent proof you cant even deny it'

According to Michael Salla, many people are regularly in contact with friendly ETs who originate from these places: Lyra, Sirius A, the Pleiades, Alpha Centauri, Vega, Arturias and Andromeda, many of which strongly resemble humans and are interested in improving the ethics, governance, environment and technology of earth. Certainly the US government knows all about them since they have been around for a very long time and have been in contact with them.


Salla says that they do not enter into formal agreements and technology exchanges with governments, however, as do the Grays, Reptilians and Tall White Grays.


Here's a link to one of his lectures:

Google Video Link

Originally posted by daluniverse
WE KNOW that in ancient times, egptian, mayan, aztek etc .. thousands of different civilisations living in different time periods and different ends of the worlds ALL HAVE THE SAME STORY OF BEINGS COMING DOWN FROM THE SKY.. you telling me theyre lying? because if your going to say `oh well its hearsay` .. then you are basically stating that all these civilisations are lying!

We know that in ancient times everyone believed the world was flat. Those who think the world is round must be saying that all these civilizations were lying!

Originally posted by thedeadlyrhythm
reply to post by daluniverse

 

man, op i believe in ufo's and the et hypothesis but this is no proof of anything other than your lack of reason for thinking it is proof. the way you finished the first paragraph into the second, something like, well all these ancient civilizations talked about gods from the sky, then 'now that we have established that et's visited earth.

what?! couldnt even bring myself to read further. you need to present some evidence and make a case if you're going to say something like '100 percent proof you cant even deny it'

Supporters of the idea that aliens are visiting earth post evidence on here all the time. We have been producing evidence since the 1940s and 1950s, and cannot help it if many people are unfamiliar with all of this and just dismiss it out of hand. This is something that requires many years of study and cannot simply be ignored and dismissed by pat claims of 'skepticism', which are often not based on any evidence whatsoever.

if we are suggesting ancient stories are proof of extraterrestrial visitations, then we should also take ancient stories as proof that we are living on the back of a turtle

or the sky is a large basket with a hole in the top where light shines down

or a ton of other silly stories


The ancient alien thing is a interesting discussion to have, but its just proof. Its just as likely these stories started very very long ago, and as the cultures spread out around the world, they carried with them offshoots of the original stories...that is why many cultures have similar origin religions.

oh, and the apachi helicopter heiroglyphs have long since been debunked...you honestly believe that because of one sand worn stone showing some things we can make shapes into, that somehow proves egyptians were in subs and all sorts of neat 1980s tech? If that was the case, such drawings would be all over the place verses one tiny spot and laid out to where it perfectly reflects standard drawings.

Do not turn this into a religion. If you are interested in the topic, read both sides of the argument with a open mind...if you want to contribute, get your facts straight first, and some critical thinking.

Here is something that would mess your heads up. What if the ETs are really 99% human except for 1% of a DnA difference. Kinda like in the tv series that just came out "THE EVENT"

That these ETs aren't little gray beings, or scaley reptiles, or tall nordics etc. They might be just like us but from a different time or reality.

We would never know unless they told us and if they did we would laugh at them and label them new age whack jobs. You could see one at the grocery store tomorrow and never know it.

Originally posted by daluniverse
reply to post by RMFX1

 

Of all the phenomena connected to the Black Death, by far the most frequently reported were the strange, noxious "mists." The vapors were often observed even when other phenomena were not.
Mr. Nohl points out that moist pestilential fogs were "a feature which preceded the epidemic throughout its whole course." A great many physicians of the time took it for granted that the strange mists caused the Plague. The connection was established at the very beginning of the Black Death.

If someone had wanted to spread plague as a kind of biological weapon, all they had to do was release clouds of infected fleas, either from the air or the ground. Governments in the 20th Century that developed bioweapons used aerosol sprays and insect vectors.


The interesting thing about the Black Death was that it actually produced the the Renaissance and early modern period by undermining feudalism. The labor shortage was so severe that those who survived--and 50% or more of the population did not in many areas--were able to improve their conditions and demand an end to serfdom and unfree labor.

It also led to great doubts about the Catholic Church and the religious rebellions that we now call the Reformation. New kinds of labor-saving machinery were attempted, probably the most important of which was the printing press.

So all in all, cutting the population in half had the effect of producing a great leap forward in history, by bringing the old order into disrepute.

In my opinion, we are on the verge of such a major turning point again, which will be chaotic and wrenching in many ways as the old order dies, but something better will take its place in the long run.


www.themiddleages.net...

You want to really excite me, tell me they found cave drawings of a man and a blue box.
But seriously, you are quite sincere in your beliefs and that's a strong trait, but you overstate what is merely your opinion. Proof is hard to come by...

Jim

Originally posted by vanhippi
I agree with what you're saying, But I don't agree with the way you're saying it.

Same here.

But something the OP said gave me food for thought... what if aliens of old (and current) amount to time bending back on itself. What if they're Earthlings from the future coming back to shape the journey of mankind? Hmmm...

reply to post by daluniverse


An intresting theory with some flaws in it. Without knowing exactly how the ancients spoke or interpreted their language, we are speculating and nothing more. An example is this (borrowed from Star Trek).

When you hear the phrase - Juliette on the balcony
What you percieve - A scene from Romeo and Juliette

To someone who is not familiar with the underlying message (base reference) it could be interprested as Juliette being a godess, looking out over her realm and all the people in it.

We speculated, and were incorrect in the speculation. If we go forward though using the same thought, then any knowledge gained from scientific study will be itself flawed and incorrect because of the first error.

Some other things to keep in mind though:

We as a species do not know anything about our past, how we got here, or what our purpose is.
We are perceiving these different ancient civilizations as not linked, when the signs all point to the possibility of a global civilization.

It has been observed throughout history that when something cataclysmic happens, its possible for us to forget technology.

Maybe pre-flood theory we were as advanced or more than we are now. Maybe our ancestors did achieve spaceflight, headed to the moon and to mars. During this time something major happens on Earth that sends civilization back a few thousand years. What we are seeing now could be the oral history that people remebered (kind of like Platos Atlantis).

We have unusal signs of a possible nuclear war in a part of India going back thousands of years, with no real explanation other than what has been handed down in some of their texts.

anyways, just my 2 cents.

Odd,

I opened this thread to see proof of ET on earth.

What a let down. Again.

reply to post by van001


While this thread proves nothing, I think rational thinking includes the possibility that ancient people were not as absolutely dumb as a rock and understood what basic elements were while maybe not having the mathematics skills to describe them.

once again, i'm not reading all the threads, don't have time for that. but, i do have to agree with most of what i've read. while i believe et's have visited earth, and probably have been doing so for a ver long time, it's just that, a belief, an opinion. you're calling cave paintings and 800 year old drawings 100% proof. but, alas my friend they are not. they could simply be early story telling. has george lucas ever been to another planet? i doubt it, but still, he's made the modern equivalent of these same cave drawings which you call proof.the only way we'll have 100% undeniable proof of et's on earth is that glorious day, when a ship lands in the rose garden at the white house DURING a press conference and the whole of the msm is there with a live feed. then the aliens eat everyones faces off on national tv. now, that's proof undeniable.

reply to post by daluniverse


I completly agree except I wish you would have posted some links with some of the scientific evidence as well as religious.joyofsatan.com has an excellent forum of religious views on the annunaki however it doesnt refer them as the annunaki u just kind of have to analyze and interpret.Its not devil worshiping and sacrifice like some would think its just as sane and whole hearted as any other religion just miss represented and bashed cause some chosse to judge first and then read the book.Anyway long live the original gods and look before u jump haters I got my boys back!

It would seem 'logical' that only an alien being/s would have an interest in keeping ET/UFO knowledge under wraps.
no?

Yes.
There are ET's which mean you well and those that are indifferent.....for their own reasons.
Human beings, on the 'right' hand are responsible for the current plight of humanity.
Special deals struck with alien masters is/was an outright lie to further control and indoctrinate the folks into a state of 'fear' and conformity.
It appears to have worked well though with tragic consequences for the perpetrators in 'real' time as well as the twilight.....if you know what I mean.
Strange topic folks though much more to come soon enough.

Folks must have the courage and conviction to simply 'Do the Right Thing' when confronted with a choice.
There are two choices.
Come together or continue to be divided and conquered as sheep walking off anothers cliff.
It's amazing to witness how so few control the masses.
Freedom?
Most know not what it means or what it is like.
Imagine that.....
Well, it appears to be a reality.
no?