What I believe is proof of ets on earth -

reply to post by Croda


I agree. I also frequently use the Principle of Occam's Razor to try and understand issues like this - the simplest explanation is the most likely one.

And far simpler explanations than alien visitors exist. Such as:

Artistic license - look at what artists create today that isn't real.

Prior advanced human civilizations on earth - a little more far-fetched, but still a simpler solution than star voyaging aliens.

thousands of different civilisations living in different time periods and different ends of the worlds ALL HAVE THE SAME STORY OF BEINGS COMING DOWN FROM THE SKY.. you telling me theyre lying?

Whereas other societies have stories about beings emerging from the waters, or crawling through a hole in the Earth. Are you telling me they are lying?

Originally posted by daluniverse

“People were reporting bright flying objects and said
the aerial objects were spraying gas, which they called ‘mists’ that caused
the Black Death.” - William Bramley, Atty., The Gods of Eden

Well to me, that description sounds exactly like how a person unfamiliar with technology or the structure of the universe (i.e. someone from the past) would describe a comet (flying object) and its tail (like a mist, spraying gas) ...

Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by Croda

 

I agree. I also frequently use the Principle of Occam's Razor to try and understand issues like this - the simplest explanation is the most likely one.

And far simpler explanations than alien visitors exist. Such as:

Artistic license - look at what artists create today that isn't real.

Prior advanced human civilizations on earth - a little more far-fetched, but still a simpler solution than star voyaging aliens.

By that premise all man made things are not real such as a neck tie - What is it but a coloured piece of woven material worn around the neck - A description such as tie does not say what it is in reality
Imagination is a real thing for it enables one to manifest an idea such as a painting on a canvas though painting is an illusion - as it is pigmented medium applied to a woven material

Originally posted by woodwytch
reply to post by daluniverse

 

Hey there daluniverse, I'm gonna star and flag you just for your pure passion and belief

You might just want to reign it in a teeny weeny little bit because it can be a big turn off to the very people you're trying to inform.

I personally go for the 'what if' approach ... it allows people to make-up their own mind ... if they choose not to believe it's their choice ... but at least you pointed things out to them.
. those God(s) of ancient times gave us the gift of 'freewill'

>>>link to The Atlantean Analysis

Originally posted by DJW001

thousands of different civilisations living in different time periods and different ends of the worlds ALL HAVE THE SAME STORY OF BEINGS COMING DOWN FROM THE SKY.. you telling me theyre lying?

Whereas other societies have stories about beings emerging from the waters, or crawling through a hole in the Earth. Are you telling me they are lying?

no, in fact uso - unidentified submereged objects have been spoted for thousands of years, christopher columbus documents seeing a craft shoot out of the water and go as high as a star which showed him the way to america.

and in mexico in the ufo hotspots, theres many stories of these entities coming in and out of caves

You can't prove something by proclamation, which is what you have done here. You've decided to proclaim that "many" ancient cultures have stories of beings coming down from the sky, and yet you have provided not one single reference. Hey, I've very likely read the same stories you have, but most of them are just stories. If you're going to make a case here you absolutely must provide references and these references must also be scrutinized. Are we talking Erich von Daniken here? Sorry, he doesn't count because he is not a credible researcher. As far as the stories themselves, they must have been in ancient languages. Who translated these stories? How did they learn the language? How do we know the translation is accurate? What you've said here does not constitute scholarly research. there are enough holes here to drive a Mack truck through.

I actually think you could make a case here; it's just that you haven't. Your proclamation does not provide absolute proof. It certainly can be denied.

Originally posted by artistpoet

Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by Croda

 

I agree. I also frequently use the Principle of Occam's Razor to try and understand issues like this - the simplest explanation is the most likely one.

And far simpler explanations than alien visitors exist. Such as:

Artistic license - look at what artists create today that isn't real.

Prior advanced human civilizations on earth - a little more far-fetched, but still a simpler solution than star voyaging aliens.

By that premise all man made things are not real such as a neck tie - What is it but a coloured piece of woven material worn around the neck - A description such as tie does not say what it is in reality
Imagination is a real thing for it enables one to manifest an idea such as a painting on a canvas though painting is an illusion - as it is pigmented medium applied to a woven material

Thanks for helping prove my point, although I'm quite sure that's not what you had in mind.

The OP is clearly imagining an illusion - absolute proof of aliens - and painting it on a medium - ATS and the internet.

BTW, a necktie IS "a coloured piece of woven material worn around the neck", and it's called a "neck tie" for that exact reason. It is what it is and quite easy to "prove" that's what it is.

Originally posted by daluniverse

Originally posted by woodwytch
reply to post by daluniverse

 

Hey there daluniverse, I'm gonna star and flag you just for your pure passion and belief

You might just want to reign it in a teeny weeny little bit because it can be a big turn off to the very people you're trying to inform.

I personally go for the 'what if' approach ... it allows people to make-up their own mind ... if they choose not to believe it's their choice ... but at least you pointed things out to them.
. those God(s) of ancient times gave us the gift of 'freewill'

>>>link to The Atlantean Analysis

reply to post by centurion1211


Hi Centurion - I wasn't meaning to prove anything - just looking at things in a different way.
So to one who (not you or any particular) does not have wrtiting or reading skills - what is a page of poetry say - but odd shapes made upon a piece of processed wood pulp by means of a stylus - It could be a work of inspiration but how does one define inspiration or idea or thought ot the essence of life - Just a thought and how can one prove thought exists

reply to post by daluniverse


I am with you. I KNOW from personal experiences, ETs are here, been here and will continue to stay here however.............everything you've pointed out gets tucked away into the predesignated 'myth' vault.
I know it's stupid, idiotic and unfortunate but one HAS to realize, it's purposeful too.

You (us) canNOT have ETs on Earth and expect this planet to be ruled by the greedy few. Can't be done. Because ETs would then be 'greater' (I mean with abilities and technology not.....spiritually) than mortal man. So they HAD to put their OWN pecking order in place.
It's 1) the Elite (PTB, Illuminati, Governments whatever you wish to call them....) then 2) us. The peasant. The minion. The sheeple. The 'needers'.

ETs are denied ironically by those who KNOW they're real ! They do so to continue to funnel select information on planet Earth!
I know you know this.

But, we (you and I) know the deal. Doesn't matter anymore that we're not all riding the same cosmic wave length. There is no strength in numbers when it comes to this. It's our own personal enlightenment and path to seek and explore. Not a collective acknowledment because that won't happen on planet Earth simply due to how it's all been set up from the get-go.

Originally posted by Croda

Originally posted by Nightchild

Originally posted by Croda
If the visiting ETs had craft that could travel across the galaxy, why would they need to resort to using fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters when they got here? What advantages does a helicopter offer the ET that a spaceship does not?

According to some legends the "gods" used different aircrafts; One type of "chariot" withing Earths Atmosphere, and another "chariot" for travelling in space.

The winged craft or rocket-like type of craft described in the legends, is apparently the craft used for aeronautic travel within the Atmosphere, while the larger crafts, or "The Gods heavenly abode" was resting further up or in Space

OK, but mid-20th century Earth technology was the best they could muster for moving within Earth's atmosphere?

That's why I have a problem with the picture of the helicopter. Yeah, it looks like a helicopter, but if we're going to say that logic points to ETs being here at that time, we also have to say that logic points to them being able to do better than a huey.

What's weird about it? Surely they too would have started somewhere, right? Or are you inferring that because they are Extraterrestrials they got all the jaw dropping tech from the start?

Just because they used rockets and the like several thousands of years ago, it does not mean that they do now, which, by the way, they very apparently don't.

I don't see anything odd about the thing what so ever.

reply to post by artistpoet


(rather) Thinly veiled insults are still insults, and against the T & C.

I would suggest that if you want to discuss poetry and/or the existence of "thought", feel free to start a thread in the appropriate forum.

I believe the subject here is "absolute proof" of aliens, or perhaps the lack of "absolute proof" provided by the OP. As I've stated several times now, I would be happy if someone really did have proof of alien visitation, but I haven't seen it yet, and certainly haven't seen it here on this thread.

people are such sheep

area 51 was denied, until a spy plane i think french? not sure but until it was flown over in the late 80s early 90s and then they admited.. oh yes we do have a top secret area for testing of ships

the ministry of defence denied there being a ufo deparment until it shut down a few years ago, it turns out for decades they were investigating it... well if they lied about there not being one, how can we believe them that `thats it no more investigating`

goverments lie.. remember battle of la? an hour and a half of firing at a ufo, and next day they claimed they were `firing at nothing

governments lie.. they lie to `keep people in line`

im not a fan of david icke, alex jones and all that but even i will admit that governments lie

We haven't found any humans in UFOs yet have we now.
Except for Walton who may not even have known he was traveling
in a ship the two times he was in one.
So we know at least one human was in a UFO.
However he keeps on insisting they were Grays inside.

The Zamora sighting saw two human outside the ship.

If the insides of the ship has sparks going, this is apparent from all the
flashy video footage on youtube like the ever2020
channel, on then full body suits and dark goggles on the head gear is to be expected
and seen as strange by observers.
Thus looking like aliens.
However compression suits may not be needed if there are no gs experienced during
travel and only airtight seals are needed for electrical charge distribution.
One reason for external flashes would be for external parts gathering charge like
rubber wheels or housing covers that are not sealed properly due to inadequate
inspections.

One note on the crew is the thought or suggestion or evidential finding of a small
ancillary crew members in stature to exit the ship and fool any observers.
Suggested by Mr. Lyne that such an event occurred and leaked to the dismay of
the authorities.

Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by artistpoet

 

Veiled insults are still insults, and against the T & C.

I would suggest that if you want to discuss poetry and/or the existence of "thought", feel free to start a thread in the appropriate forum.

I believe the subject here is "absolute proof" of aliens, or perhaps the lack of "absolute proof" provided by the OP. As I've stated several times now, I would be happy if someone really did have proof of alien visitation, but I haven't seen it yet, and certainly haven't seen it here on this thread.

edit on 10/8/2010 by centurion1211 because: (no reason given)

I thought we were discussing proof also and I was citing examples of how seeming proof can be misleading and we need to delve deeper
I did also suggest there is a scholarly books on this subject - Aliens - the book I mentioned in a previous post - you must have missed that - Funny thing about proof is that if it is not what some one wishes to hear then it is poo pooed - In the book I mentioned "The Sirius Mystery" by Robert Temple there is a 5000 year old knowledge of Sirius B - a white dwarf star that has only been known to exist by astronomy for a couple of hundred years.
Of course our modern mind sets demand logic but refuse to accept that others before us had any intelligence.

i dont claim to have all the answers

theres many things that dont make sense.. why us there must be billions of planets which have life

ive heard many abductees say they were invited to pilot the craft.. WHY WOULD YOU ABDUCT SOMEBODY AND LET THEM PILOT YOUR CRAFT

so much of the ufo et phenomena makes no sense at all

and im pretty sure the government dont have all the answers either

edit: why cant i flag this thread

reply to post by dali universe


So why is technology not soaring to incredible heights and humanity not a civilized global society?

Have they been here all along just to keep us from our fullest potential?

What would the purpose be?

Do they or at least the ones who own this planet actually feed off the anguish and torture every living entity on and of this planet suffer?

Every long term agenda has a goal, and a means to an end, what do you suppose this one is?

What would the harm be in allowing us to travel off world and to colonize other habitable planets and just let them have this one?

Are the dimensional waves the multiverse filled with only this kind of behavior, mentality?

One thing I do know is that we can never resolve this problem from where we currently reside, there is a limit a top to how far we can expand in cosmic consciousness from where we live.

Like a fish wishing to live on land, the challenge is the solution.

reply to post by daluniverse


You Are Absolutely Correct. There are a few Government Crafts, Like the TR-3A, TR-3B, SBU, The Wing, just look up info on MJ12 (Majectic 12) the Government organization hand selected to work with the EBE, MEM, or Grey, whatever you prefer, Bob Lasar, Phil Schneider, Edgar Fouche, & Billy Meier are all real and telling the truth. Little did the Government know that the race that sent them here to study us were the Reptilian Draconan/Saurians/Annunoki and a few other races that think they own the planet. They won a war EON's ago and a Covenant was created to prevent interference from other Human Races with the Humans developing here. Howerver, the other Humans have been watching to see what their plans were. They have discovered the true purpose to them letting us progress. The Grey and others have been here the whole time below ground and in deep space, See "Google Sky Objects" on YouTube. So the Grey have been Geneticaly advancing us quicker than normal so that they can Transconfigure into a sound wave and inhabit our Pre-Frontal Cortex, See Dying NASA Scientists Videos on YouTube. They believe that if they are connected to us in this way that they will be able to travel with our spirit into Heaven and give them Imortality, either that or they wish to destroy GOD. Either way, they will fail. When our physical body dies, they simply die. But they have no way of knowing so they continue their experiments. See the more recent Close Encounters Movie about the Phsychologist in Alaska whose child was taken and never returned. They sacrifice the young in rituals and make slaves out of them, the innocent are unprepared to defend themselves like adults. It is Horrific and Ungodly. They also matured some Humans to adult hood but without the adult mentality so they could control them and use our natural Telepathic abilities to try to Transcend the 3rd Dimention and speak to GOD. There is a plan to save us and possibly the planet but we have thus far proven unworthy of saving. We have practicly destroyed our planet with pollution. One thing they were unaware of is that the Kabal & Illuminati have been secretly keeping us behind in Scientific advancements. Using up our Fossil Fuels, When we have other all natural forms of Energy production that are inexaustible and would free us from the Slavery of the Economy of the Old Empire. We hear about Hydrogen Torch, Laser Deflageration, Plasma & Magnetic Shields, even Anti-Gravity proven and shown to us by the Pleadians. All searchable on YouTube. It is time for a change and we are the only ones that can make it happen.. I will continue to share this information but I need to be in contact with people with loads of money in order to build a defense against the Current Power in the Government, Kabal & Illuminati. The President, Obama is not a part of this group, that is why he opened space vehicle development to the Commercial Field for Public travel and Space vehicle Travel. We need to jump on this faster than Fly's on.. Well you get the point. God helps those who help themselves, so lets get cracking!!!!!

The proof will only in retrospect.