What I believe is proof of ets on earth -

reply to post by daluniverse


Yes, the gods of the ancients before AD happened.
Not ETs of living flesh but ETs of rocks and naphtha.
Explained by the not so secret text of the ancients but not given
the true test of interpretation.
The Worship of Jupiter

from many an interpretation

However Mars and Athena are not covered as they are copyrighted in
the "World in Collision" epic that covers -1500 to -600 BC as Cosmic
Displacements since no more calendar revisions have been noted.
Danial left Exile with a new calendar.
ED:See PART IV: JUPITER OF THE THUNDERBOLT

While I will not say that NO accounts of aerial phenomena in the history books were alien activity (since I do believe we are being visited now - I don't see why we could not have been visited prior), you are wildly guessing when you say thousands of civilizations have "definitely" told stories of such, and even if it were dozens, many of those could be simply dismissed upon religious beliefs.

Many civilizations believed that the moon, sun, 5 visible planets and any other stars in other systems they were seeing were gods or omens. Now, consider: in the past, there was a LOT less light pollution than there is now. They would much more easily see meteors, even comets, than we do now. I imagine most meteor sightings in ancient history were considered gods descending / omens. Meteors are a heck of a lot more common than UFOs.

It's a pity those civilizations didn't have a better understanding of the universe - I imagine with the lack of air traffic / satellites / balloons / flares / remote control devices, actual UFOs would really stand out.

But I highly doubt "thousands" of civilizations all had intimate contact with aliens. I imagine they would be much as they are now: aloof and separate from the doings on our ball of rock. I don't believe for a minute there were nuclear wars in our past, nor advanced machinery, or aliens hobnobbing with the natives. Perhaps a few of the sightings were legitimate - but we can't prove it. Neither can you. You are simply guessing and declaring it to be fact. In our history, many peoples of the world made up all sorts of fantastic tales or misunderstood science, and so misinterpreted unfolding events. I imagine almost all sightings in our past are of that nature. But of course, I can't prove it either.

Guessing isn't proof though. You have absolute proof of nothing.

My questions are if they did come in ancient times did the average citizen know this or just the elite?
And if everyone knew, why did they stop coming?

Originally posted by daluniverse
reply to post by RMFX1

 

The first outbreak of the Plague in Europe followed an unusual series of events. Between 1298 and 1314, seven large "comets" were seem over Europe; one was of "awe-inspiring blackness." .................. To the people of Europe, these sightings were considered omens of the Plague which soon followed.

It is true that some reported "comets" were probably just that; comets.......... On the other hand it is important to note that almost any unusual object in the sky was called a "comet." .............
This leads us to wonder how many other ancient "comets" were actually similar rocketlike objects. When we are confronted with an old report of a comet, we therefore do not really know what kind of thing we are dealing with unless there is a fuller description. A report of a sudden increase in "comets" or similar celestial phenomena may, in fact, mean an increase in UFO activity.
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It's an interesting post, but the biggest problem with historical study in that era is that most sources tend not to be contemporary accounts, but written 2 or more years later and often not even first hand. In such a case, confirmational bias could be pretty strong (ie the author recalling seeing a comet/meteor around that time, but in retrospect - combined with superstitious beliefs which had been established hundreds of years before - that becomes "the plague followed the sighting of the comet". Another point is that retrospective sources are often embellished with some bias/storytelling (for example, when you have multiple sources on a battle, the ranges of numbers put out by the authors are often wild depending on the outcome and personal leanings of the author). Unfortunately, human nature leads us to make patterns out of information, even if it isn't linked and it's why provenance and details of the source's author are so important. The grim reaper-type figures are disturbing though, it'd be interesting to review the original sources - the aesthetic concept of the Grim Reaper as we know it seems to have come around that time, although apparently Charon was often depicted in a similar manner.

Also, when you refer to the reports of plague coming from Asia, do you mean the Middle East or China? Just wondering.

I don't disagree with you, but thought you could of worded the OP better. Some research materials, some sources perhaps. It gives folks a more tangible feeling towards your ideas.

People will believe in Ancient Astronaut theory if: They excavate a fully intact, crashed Alien spaceship next to a perfectly formed Dinosaur fossil carbon dating the same age. Nothing more, nothing less.

People will believe in the existence of advanced extraterrestrial life forms if: There is a full scale world wide disclosure (which would likely never ever happen, regardless of how much the hype recently). Or a full scale Alien invasion Independence Day / V style. Nothing more, nothing less.

Until these incidents happen, you'll always have skeptics. So like every other believers out there, I'm grabbing my VIP box seat and waiting for SHTF first, if it hits during my life time that is.

to many of us.....I mean to most of us it is a question of belief.....

Even if there are true witness accounts, it is the false ones that make it questionable....

reply to post by daluniverse

This just seems to be a rant against skeptics. I'm a believer but don't see the point your trying to make. I mean some are going to believe and some are not, so what. Personally I've learned from skeptics at times. They can provide a different angle on things. Basically I don't like them but if they believe what they're saying I'll see what they got. Then there's the skeptics that just want to argue for what seems to be the sake of arguing or disagreeing I avoid that type. I do agree with what you say, but don't we know of this already? Take care man.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


The Sumerian culture is the very first civilization on earth and it was in the mesopotamia region now known as IRAQ...This is said to be the same civilization of ADAM and EVE.. Now they were the first civilization to practice intensive, year-round agriculture, by 5000 BC showing the use of core agricultural techniques including large-scale intensive cultivation of land, mono-cropping, organized irrigation, and the use of a specialized labor force. The surplus of storable food created by this economy allowed the population to settle in one place instead of migrating after crops and grazing land. They had schools, and governments, they had math and writing capabilities. Just like a baby, someone has got to TEACH us these things.... we didnt just come up with all of these complex ideas all on our own from the birth of society?! Now is it coincedence that the first man was named ADAM, which sounds very similair to our very biological building blocks of ATOMS??... Or the taking of the rib to make Eve...Sounds like, Cloning?? Who taught us that gold was the most valuable substance on Earth, when in actuality it should be ...oh I dont know.... WATER?... What about the virgin birth?? Sounds like impregnation to me... These societies were so young, they wouldnt know to lie... Yes they are out there, where are they coming from?? The future?? Other planets?? I dont know... What do they look like , again I dont know... why is Earth so valuable to them... well because Earth is apart of space, which they obviously travel in, and if we are to blow ourselves up we would then impact space... and our solar system... which would then impact them... So that explains why they are so intrested in us and our new capabilities... Lets just hope they are not to scary looking... ya know? LOL I believe they are out there...are they nice?.. I dont know, are they mean?? Again I dont know... so If I ever come across one, I would probably act in fear, which Im sure they know seeming as they have been studying us, and observing us...and I wouldnt trust them just like I dont trust most people in our OWN society... which is just down right sad anyway u look at it... but yes there are here or have been here....

My god another one.

We need a sticky with a dictionary definition of proof.

Originally posted by AB173-1970
reply to post by daluniverse

 

This just seems to be a rant against skeptics. I'm a believer but don't see the point your trying to make. I mean some are going to believe and some are not, so what. Personally I've learned from skeptics at times. They can provide a different angle on things. Basically I don't like them but if they believe what they're saying I'll see what they got. Then there's the skeptics that just want to argue for what seems to be the sake of arguing or disagreeing I avoid that type. I do agree with what you say, but don't we know of this already? Take care man.

i dont like the fact that they will dismiss everything as `bollocks` without researching

i saw an article in the sun recently (yeh its just a tabloid junkie) and it was talking about rendlesham forest one of the most documented and respected cases with top generals whove testified, but most of the comments said `what a load of cobblers` and `they must have been drunk`!!

its people who`ll just shun off anything without checking what get on my tits.

dont get me wrong, i dont assume `anything weird ` is ufo or paranormal related straight away, indeed i cant stand the hoaxes and fake cgi videos, a simple search on youtube for ufo and the first result is that awful haiti fake ufo, its so obviously fake... and my only conclusion is that they are done by skeptics, imature kids, or people who know how serious the ufo topic is and want to make a joke out of it

Originally posted by StarrGazer25
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

 

The Sumerian culture is the very first civilization on earth and it was in the mesopotamia region now known as IRAQ...This is said to be the same civilization of ADAM and EVE.. Now they were the first civilization to practice intensive, year-round agriculture, by 5000 BC showing the use of core agricultural techniques including large-scale intensive cultivation of land, mono-cropping, organized irrigation, and the use of a specialized labor force. The surplus of storable food created by this economy allowed the population to settle in one place instead of migrating after crops and grazing land. They had schools, and governments, they had math and writing capabilities. Just like a baby, someone has got to TEACH us these things.... we didnt just come up with all of these complex ideas all on our own from the birth of society?! Now is it coincedence that the first man was named ADAM, which sounds very similair to our very biological building blocks of ATOMS??... Or the taking of the rib to make Eve...Sounds like, Cloning?? Who taught us that gold was the most valuable substance on Earth, when in actuality it should be ...oh I dont know.... WATER?... What about the virgin birth?? Sounds like impregnation to me... These societies were so young, they wouldnt know to lie... Yes they are out there, where are they coming from?? The future?? Other planets?? I dont know... What do they look like , again I dont know... why is Earth so valuable to them... well because Earth is apart of space, which they obviously travel in, and if we are to blow ourselves up we would then impact space... and our solar system... which would then impact them... So that explains why they are so intrested in us and our new capabilities... Lets just hope they are not to scary looking... ya know? LOL I believe they are out there...are they nice?.. I dont know, are they mean?? Again I dont know... so If I ever come across one, I would probably act in fear, which Im sure they know seeming as they have been studying us, and observing us...and I wouldnt trust them just like I dont trust most people in our OWN society... which is just down right sad anyway u look at it... but yes there are here or have been here....

skeptics will put it all down to `hearsay`
or `no evidence this happened`
or `people has all kinds of ways of interperating things back then`

etc etc etc

they cant simply believe that not all societies are full of lies like the one we live in today

Originally posted by daluniverse
I have something to say which 100 per cent prooves ets have come to earth... anybody who says it isnt proof is not using rational thinking or logic!
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This is the worst opening of any thread anywhere on UFO forums. The OP violates his own irrational thinking. Then he follows up that award-winning opening sentence with 100% pure feces from an uncastrated adult male of domestic cattle.

Your whole post can be denied. You didn't "proove" (sic) anything.

reply to post by daluniverse


Is this what counts as proof on ATS?

This is no more than a theory. Please can people learn that PROOF must contain facts that are
verifiable and tested.

Not just the word of a conspiracy enthusiast.

WOW another I HAVE ABSOLUTE PROOF OF ET thread with no proof what so ever.


Is it me or people reaching more than ever ? yeah i THINK ET is real and ET is here i THINK. However there is no proof or absolute proof we simply do not know for certain and we live in a world of uncertainty and a era of uncertainty. These beings and craft could be something entirely beyond our understanding. This is all theories and conjecture. Yes history does not fit in with the natural scheme of things or our lost history. I have researched for a very long time and still have found no proof or met anyone with proof. I think people like Travis Walton are the real thing but again maybe these things are not galactic beings. They certainly are shady and have a secret agenda. If you ask me they are not here to help us rather use us but again just my opinion no proof.

reply to post by daluniverse


Of course your obviously ruling out that any visitations to our ancestors may actualy be us from some future point traveling back in time to visit the ancients.

Foo fighters in WWII and other mystrious objects seen at historically significant points, like the Apollo missions in our history provide a bit of proof to this idea.

It makes a lot of sense that if future humans ever are able to travel back in time that they would want to visit and record historical events.

Your ET's could just as well be future us. Your theory is flawed.

reply to post by Human_Alien


Ok first I starred you because I can dig where you are coming from. However what my interpretation of the Op was that the possibility of alien intervention has been present since man discovered his self.

This goes far into understanding how all of the separation and control came into affect and how the few can command the many.

How a naturally evolving consciousness can be sent into the wrong direction and in it's place discord, tragedy and terror for all living entities on the planet, the planet and it's outer space as well.

If there have been aliens contaminating the world as we know it, and suppressing valuable information for many centuries, just how far along would we be had they not intervened?

My Grandpa, who was into oil in the beginning knew that we should have been flying hoover craft by now, but those technologies have been shelved instead for the sake of more power and influence over peoples lives and well being.

I am one of the last of the crazy Studebakers, what I know is not to be found so much in journals and papers, but handed down over coffee at the kitchen table. Back in the beginning we had the chance to create an entirely different direction, to have gone the path of electric cars which would have made the industrial age we have experienced seem like the bullock cart to the present in transportation.

Again this was only for power, corruption and a much more underhanded and drawn out scheme which kept the power for the few and the needy in want. It also created avenues for toxic depletion of our atmosphere, our land and water, as well as the planet at large this including all living species.

I have to say I am a little more than pissed that the promises made to me as a little girl did not happen, could not happen because of the greed of the few.

Read some of my threads and if you have to use your imagination for just those moments, walk a mile in my shoes with your empathy and understanding, then see why I believe fully we are not where we should be, could be and that there have been alien deals made with greedy, power hungry individuals throughout time.

If you were given the chance to rule the planet, would you? Or would you have the ability to turn away from that kind of offer? Most men in our past that were confronted with that opportunity couldn't say no. Men and women that is.

What will you do when the clock strikes midnight and you discover that you are everything you have ever hated or despised, feared? Are you an individual with independent abilities or are you just a venue for alien hosts to use you? Are you free to grow in this most twisted environment of illusion or are you a voter?

Are you master or slave?

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
WOW another I HAVE ABSOLUTE PROOF OF ET thread with no proof what so ever.

Is it me or people reaching more than ever ? yeah i THINK ET is real and ET is here i THINK. However there is no proof or absolute proof we simply do not know for certain and we live in a world of uncertainty and a era of uncertainty. These beings and craft could be something entirely beyond our understanding. This is all theories and conjecture. Yes history does not fit in with the natural scheme of things or our lost history. I have researched for a very long time and still have found no proof or met anyone with proof. I think people like Travis Walton are the real thing but again maybe these things are not galactic beings. They certainly are shady and have a secret agenda. If you ask me they are not here to help us rather use us but again just my opinion no proof.

edit on 8-10-2010 by Unknown Soldier because: (no reason given)

by the way, just about your avatar, i know the dr reed case has been done/debunked to death
but has his `alien ` picture ever been debunked?

You have a point but no proof.

There is proof that these cultures documented all of this. But thats not proof that they were real ETs/Gods.

What about all the Gods that lived in nether worlds?

Is it proof that they exist because they wrote about it?

Im not a skeptic, far from it, and i believe something like this could be true but still your thread proves nothing.

Originally posted by daluniverse

Okay... so weve established the fact that we had advanced beings coming down to earth...

We have?

The only "fact" as in the OP's first post is by default, and that scribes in the past could have been seeing a technology that [they did not understand] and what came down from the sky, could just as well have went up there in the first instance, from Earth. Or, they might well have been aliens from another planet. I don't see any difference in the same view taken at today standards.