Obama:Change to be afraid of.....

Originally posted by sweetliberty

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by ljtg123
Barack Obama is a socialist.

anyhow...first sentence would be better written as "Barack Obama's socialist desires exceeds my comfort level of how much socialist programs should be involved in America." or something to that effect.

But then again, thats pretty much just stating a different partys main meme

Yeah ljtg123, you aren't being politically correct! Shame on you

Remember, it's all about calling a duck a feathery friend that also swims in the water. Geez, "change" ljtg123, CHANGE!

Lesson 1. Learn how to tip-toe.
Change= shut up.

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No, this is calling a duck a monsterous dinobird.

I am being literal, the ops calling socialist is the one being highly disingenous...

going on that example
Bush: was a theocrat. Would you accept that? is calling bush a religious man too PC for you and we should just call a duck a duck..aka, Bush was a theocrat?

make sense already! oh, and cool avatar.

Is there something wrong with Socialism? Some of happiest people on this planet are from Socialist countries. Socialism is -different- not something to be feared, trying to scare people by saying Obama is a Socialist so GOP.

On top of that do you think its even possible to create a socialist utopia in 8 years with self serving obstructionists throwing roadblocks in front of every idea?

Time to move on.

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Originally posted by Kaleokualoha
- Here is the corrected first link: www.usasurvival.org...

- The paragraph you quoted was was written by Davis's biographer, University of Kansas professor Edgar Tidwell, whom AIM's Cliff Kincaid cited as an EXPERT in the life and writings of Davis.
Why are you spreading the nasty rumour that Frank Marshall Davis was a "pedophile"? Are you trying to railroad Davis with just the trumped-up evidence that his porn novel included sex with an underage teenager, or is there any empirical evidence, such as court records or confirmatory statements from Davis himself? A novel is fiction, and is fraudulent evidence for such accusations! Do you also consider the author of "Lolita" to be a pedophile, or just Davis? Perhaps it's time for MythBusters to take a closer look at this unsubstantiated claim.

This is from YOUR expert.....


"There is no question that Davis wrote the book under the pseudonym of “Bob Greene.” John Edgar Tidwell, the editor of other books by Davis, has confirmed this is the case. But Tidwell has questioned how much of Sex Rebel is based on Davis’s own life experiences and describes it as “semi-autobiographical.” Harnden acknowledged to me that Davis “left himself some wiggle room, not least I suppose because of the possibility of prosecution” for statutory rape of a 13-year-old. But in the introduction to Livin’ the Blues, a book by Davis that Tidwell edited, Tidwell reveals that Davis left behind after his death an uncompleted manuscript, “The Incredible Waikiki Jungle,” which describes how Davis “specialized in sex” during the period 1969-1976. No details are provided by Tidwell. He also says that Davis wrote another unpublished manuscript called “Mixed Sex Salad.”

Although Mr Tidwell "questions" how much is true..... Frank Marshall Davis TELLS us that it is ALL true...

Davis confessed: "I could not truthfully deny that this book, which came out in 1968 as a Greenleaf Classic, was mine."
The appalling catalog of admitted real-life decadence is laced with perverted sexual activity, bisexuality, rape - and the seduction of children.
"Davis' admission he wrote this disturbing book exposes Obama's mentor as living a secret double life - and as a sexual pervert," disclosed a source.
In his shocking tell-all, Davis admits to seducing a thirteen year-old girl, voyeurism, exhibitionism, bisexuality, rape and sadomasochism.

"]In a surviving portion of an autobiographical manuscript, Mr Davis confirms that he was the author of Sex Rebel: Black after a reader had noticed the similarities in style and phraseology between the pornographic work and his poetry. I could not then truthfully deny that this book, which came out in 1968 as a Greenleaf Classic, was mine. In the introduction to Sex Rebel, Mr Davis (writing as Greene) explains that although he has changed names and identities all incidents I have described have been taken from actual experiences."

Contrary to fairy tales drifting around the blogosphere, Davis never "admitted" that any of the events from his novel actually happened in real life. Those who believe such rubbish have been victimized by a cruel hoax. Critics are trying to railroad Davis with trumped-up evidence, just as some tried to railroad Dr. Hatfill in the anthrax letters case, and just as ex-D.A. Mike Nifong tried to railroad the Duke lacrosse team by stacking the evidence. Integrity requires an honest evaluation of existing evidence.

The issue is rather simple: Either you literally attribute fictional characters' stories to their authors' real lives, or you accept that fictional characters' stories are fiction. By definition, even semi-autobiographical novels are fictionalized accounts of their authors' own lives. Research should reveal that ALL fictional narrators of such novels claim the events are true, although their actual authors make no such claims!

Again in his OWN words

" I could not then truthfully deny that this book, which came out in 1968 as a Greenleaf Classic, was mine. In the introduction to Sex Rebel, Mr Davis (writing as Greene) explains that although he has changed names and identities all incidents I have described have been taken from actual experiences"

BTW: Your claim that Davis was a racist is absurd. He did not believe in either racial superiority (prejudice) or treating people differently based on race (racial discrimination). He believed in complete INTEGRATION of society! He married a white woman whith whom he had five children. By what self-serving definition do you consider Davis to be "racist"?

Again I'll use HIS OWN WORDS....

"Leaving your race at the door. Leaving your people behind. Understand something, boy. You’re not going to college to get educated. You’re going there to get trained."
He added, "they’ll tank on your chain and let you know that you may be a well-trained, well-paid 'n-word', but you’re a 'n-word' just the same."

Looks racist to me....

Honestly... any exposure of Obama to the more "radical" left-wing politics makes me more hopeful that he's NOT another corporatist. It doesn't scare me, I welcome it.

If you want to go all red-scare/McCarthyist and demonize some fictitious Communist uprising in America, then have a go at it but you only look like an uneducated fool. There is NO communist uprising in America.

So far, Obama hasn't implemented very Socialist policies. And even so, we need MORE Democratic-Socialist policies/social programs like you see in Germany, France, and the Scandinavian countries. These countries are arguably freer and more prosperous per capita than Americans are. They also seem to be healthier/happier as well. They enjoy things like- mandatory paid vacations, paid maternity leave, free higher education, free/discounted health-care, the list goes on. I don't know how many times I have to say this, but- speaking as an Anarchist... these kinds of social programs are some of the ONLY decent things a government can do for its populace.

There is NOTHING WRONG with studying important historical political/philosophical minds (INCLUDING Marx), just as there is NOTHING WRONG with studying Hitler, Stalin, Caesar, Cleopatra, Genghis Khan, Abraham Lincoln, Joan of Arc, Harriet Tubman, Plato, Socrates, Einstein, Nietzsche, and so on. This is called EDUCATING YOURSELF on history and political/philosophical thought, and without actually educating yourself, you are far more prone to ignorance and being lied to about history. And that's where I see the OP... having a serious ignorance of what Socialism actually is and demonstrating an irrational fear of all social programs (which are a part of EVERY GOVERNMENT EVER).

We can enjoy social programs without having to pay a disproportionate price and without sacrificing our freedoms. It's tried and true and we're an immature nation for not learning from those examples.

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Yet another ridiculous claim of "Obama is a commie"... sheesh! What is shallow and baseless never ages, just like emptiness.

From Wikipedia:

The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:

1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially-similar position Y. Thus, Y is a resulting distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
1. Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.[1]
2. Quoting an opponent's words out of context – i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see contextomy and quote mining).[2]
3. Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments – thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
4. Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
5. Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
3. Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.
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Obama is a straw man, and a fascist one, just like any other U.S. President in power since that good guy was shot in the '60s for trying to discredit the Federal Reserve and for standing up to the military-industrial complex.

Ok, in the hope that the OP may read this and give a iota of thinking to what I'm writing, then read these lines: Socialism is dead. The Soviet union no longer has agents infiltrating and subverting the American government like in the '50s and there is no more reason for a witch hunt against whoever in power that dares to be buddying labor unions and implants social programs for the poor. There was never and there will never be any true socialist regime in the US, as this government is controlled by big global bankers and Wall Street billionnaires (or trillionaires?). The US foreign policy is BASED on crushing socialist regimes worldwide and they've been doing it for far longer than you, and perhaps your parents, lived. The CIA supported fascist dictatorships in the name of fighting the spread of socialism, and went as far as doing the same for its own government!

Socialism had the intent on getting rid of the grip that bankers and landlords have over the economy, through progressive social policy and lawmaking. I'll surely not defend this position, but no matter how right or wrong it was (in a few places in the world, like Yugoslavia, Libya and Vietnam, it actually did well, for a time), this has got nothing to do with somebody doing things like giving away trillions to corporate gangsters while letting millions of citizens losing their homes and being subject to the most brutal Police State in the West, or granting big business organizations like the MPAA and the RIAA full despotic rule over the Internet, or defending BP over the disaster they created in the Gulf as well as supporting their corporate TAKEOVER of the area. Obama is nothing else than a PUPPET leader, and any attempt at proving that he's something else than that has been proven wrong through almost any policy he promoted.

From thefreedictionary.com:

fas·cism
(fshzm)
n.

a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

From Wikipedia (for "fascism"):

Fascists support a "third position" in economic policy, which they believe superior to both the rampant individualism of laissez-faire capitalism and the severe control of state socialism. Italian Fascism and most other fascist movements promote a CORPORATIST ECONOMY whereby, in theory, representatives of CAPITAL and LABOUR interest groups work TOGETHER within sectoral corporations to create both harmonious labour relations and maximization of production that would serve the national interest.

In short terms, fascism means "power through unity".

As in "United we stand."

"I'm a uniter, not a divider"
- George W. Bush

Originally posted by Curiousisall

You need to have been here a certain amount of time in order to use the search function? When did they implement that? I have checked around, why don't you? The little box is in the upper right hand corner. Give it a whirl and see if you can find all these things pre-2008 election.

There is nothing about his citizenship discussed in my OP.... You are arguing a non-point.... How IS Teddy?

Originally posted by ljtg123

There is nothing about his citizenship discussed in my OP.... You are arguing a non-point.... How IS Teddy?

I KNOW. I thought the kids were back in school? Nothing but arguments and sidestepping and twisting around here today. Look, you are taking one thing out of context especially by going to that particular post. You know exactly what I was and am saying. Your OP is NO BETTER THAN A BIRTHER THREAD. It is all about a bunch of crap that means nothing that if it was half as important as you are pretending it was, I would like to know why none of you were worried about it before he was elected. You know damn well I used birthers as an example along with WHO HIS MOM HUNG OUT WITH IN HIGH SCHOOL, such as the nonsense in your OP.

Is this on purpose?

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This thread isn't about birthers...so i'm not sure why it was even brought up

Can you tell me where in the OP you got birthers?

there the ones that doesn't believe he is eligible to be president because he was not an american, right?

I think i read in the OP that it is proffered by the Poster that he is indeed a citizen born right here in america...

course that would take reading the OP instead of dismissing it...

reply to post by brianmg5


Take a look at Venezuela and then tell me socialism is good... I just read that they are implimenting ration cards for food and cracking down on people hoarding food. Poverty is rampant.

Or China where even your reproductive rights are gone.

How about N Korea? Where there are forced labor camps but the people are still dying from starvation.

I Love these "Obama is a socialist" threads. The fear mongering is outstanding and very entertaining. Gives me something to read and chuckle about on a slow day. Thank you for this thread.

Originally posted by Curiousisall

Originally posted by ljtg123

What were you saying about Ted Nugent? Where's the proof chick?

I posted the proof. I even gave the full name of his adopted teenage girlfriend. He does not deny having sex with her since she was 15 and admits he adopted her because she was too young to marry. Not my fault you do not want to check it out. Hell, google "Ted Nugent Undera" and you will have more to read than you can ever finish. It is only a secret that needs to be proven to people that really know nothing of Ted. He admits this stuff so get over it.

Show me is THIS thread where there has been any mention of Obama's birth by me? I don't have anything against birthers, but I don't believe he was born in Kenya. My OP is based on facts. I worked hard, waded through a lot of nonsense to put this together. Why don't you do something constructive instead of destructive? If you feel this strongly you should do the work and disprove what I have written. .

OK, so you did not mention his birth. You got me there allright. I still do not see what you do have though? What is all of this supposition and 3rd hand rumor prove exactly? Why is it important now and not 3 years ago?

This is the first part of a series I am putting together..... Obama is still president so it IS relevant. There are elections coming in November, I think it is important that people know what the currant administration is all about. There are people who read here but never post. Please step back and take a look at what is happening to our country. Since 9-11 we have been losing our BASIC freedoms.

Originally posted by ljtg123
reply to post by brianmg5

 

Take a look at Venezuela and then tell me socialism is good... I just read that they are implimenting ration cards for food and cracking down on people hoarding food. Poverty is rampant.

Or China where even your reproductive rights are gone.

How about N Korea? Where there are forced labor camps but the people are still dying from starvation.

Ahhh Venezuela...Chavez is a Monster according to the US Media..what do you expect though? Say something bad about America and you're going to be called a ruthless dictator that wants to destroy AMMMURRRRIKKKKKAAA.

As for China, what? The limited amount of children per family is what I'm guessing you're on about. Last time I checked, their country is a bit overpopulated. Perhaps population control isn't as bad as the West thinks it is. Don't forget, the United States is a country where it's pretty popular to pop out 5 kids before you reach the age of 20 and we're going to criticize China where there are restrictions on such a thing? Some American families can afford 10 children, but that doesn't mean the rest of the country can.

I will agree with North Korea though. They are a closed off nation that needs a revolution but sadly, doubt anything of sorts will come soon.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

No, this is calling a duck a monsterous dinobird.
I am being literal, the ops calling socialist is the one being highly disingenous...
going on that example
Bush: was a theocrat. Would you accept that? is calling bush a religious man too PC for you and we should just call a duck a duck..aka, Bush was a theocrat?
make sense already! oh, and cool avatar.

"They" did say that.

www.sourcewatch.org...

reply to post by ljtg123


A series? Great. More propaganda to come spilling onto ATS.

I want to see how many Christine O'Donnell threads I can make and have the Righties of this site complain about "oh come on, enough of these already" but will root on the hateful posts about their president of their country.

Let the nonsense begin.

reply to post by The Sword


Wrong! it's because they are compelled to prop up their boy until the last life-boat is gone...

for the most part i don't trust either side... but the founders put the last check to a balance resting in the media... when that check has failed it is time "We the People" check the Governments activities...

The OP has used credible sources even to the point of using their very own words....

reply to post by Echtelion

I read your post and thank you for it. If you had read mine you would have seen that Mr Obama was RAISED with people who were actively fighting for a communist state while the USSR was still in power. In my opinion from what I have learned Mr Obama is doing exactly what he was taught as a young man. I don't think he is evil, I think he was raised with an incorrect world view.

reply to post by The Sword


Wrong again! courtesy is that if disagree with the facts that are presented you give evidence to the contrary... else keep you opinion to yourself... unless you can prove the OP is wrong...then it stands as fact..

Originally posted by Curiousisall

Originally posted by ljtg123

There is nothing about his citizenship discussed in my OP.... You are arguing a non-point.... How IS Teddy?

I KNOW. I thought the kids were back in school? Nothing but arguments and sidestepping and twisting around here today. Look, you are taking one thing out of context especially by going to that particular post. You know exactly what I was and am saying. Your OP is NO BETTER THAN A BIRTHER THREAD. It is all about a bunch of crap that means nothing that if it was half as important as you are pretending it was, I would like to know why none of you were worried about it before he was elected. You know damn well I used birthers as an example along with WHO HIS MOM HUNG OUT WITH IN HIGH SCHOOL, such as the nonsense in your OP.

Is this on purpose?

Your right and I am sorry about the Teddy thing...
Have you read it? A lot of us WERE concerned before he as elected. It is important because ALL HIS LIFE he has been taught by those he loved that America would be better if it was a communist state. He is still surrounded by people who believe this. That was the intention of my post.
Am I doing what on purpose?

reply to post by Curiousisall


yeah yeah...just sweep it under the rug

his tendencies fall on the side of socialism and everyone knows it..

but let's look over here... or there...

forget the all the Government takeovers that have occurred

......this is not the evidence you seek.... nothing to see here people...

i can't wait to see more of the material come out...