Obama:Change to be afraid of.....

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The left wing has the entire life of History of Barack Obama in front of thier eyes and his own people calling themselves communist and socialist and they still think we are liars and crazy right wingers.

No, just no.

And yes, the righties are certainly crazy.

Originally posted by amodedoma
The first reaction is OMG doesn't this guy have anything better to do? Obama is an American politician and as such has no power. Money is the power that pays for careers and campaigns not rhetoric. The corporate oligarchy owns the US government it's agencies and it's judges. The politicians are just there to distract the rubes with rhetoric and the blame game, while the true power negotiates in back rooms through lobbyists and PACs.

I disagree and that is lazy thinking. You are stuck in class warfare mode.You have been lied to, America is still the greatest country. The American people still have power IF THEY CHOOSE to use it. I see daily on this board people crying that they refuse to vote and WANT socialism. Why do grown people need the government to take care of them? That is ignorant. I posted a day or so ago about Christine O'donnell In 2008 she ran against Biden and spent a mere 2% of what he spent and with the LARGEST democratic voter turnout got 35% of the vote. People are fed up with the lies. Most people know better, a few people perpetuate the lies, and a small minority of people either give up and just roll thinking nothing can be done or start doing what is easy and repeat the lies.

O’Donnell ran against Biden in 2008 in a grass-roots campaign with a platform that included personal and fiscal responsibility. At the beginning of the race, O’Donnell was largely unknown and Biden was on the national ticket of a campaign that spent well over $200 million directly. In the Senate race, Biden spent $4.9 million and Christine spent $116,000. Her performance in 2008 is particularly impressive, in light of the Obama sweep in the Northeast. In the 2008 race, Christine got approximately the same percentage and total of votes as the McCain-Palin ticket (~35 percent), getting a record number of votes (~141,000) against him in an unprecedented Democratic turnout year.

Typical GOP argument, socialism is bad because government is inefficient, yeah right so instead of in god we trust it's in the Uber Rich we trust. It should be obvious to anyone with common sense.

Common sense is apparently in short supply.

Americas epitath shall read - Here stood a nation of people that loved freedom so much that they didn't put restrictions on individual greed, and private interests got big and powerful enough to take over, and take their freedoms away.
Moderation in all things . too much bureaucracy and regulation, is just as bad as not enough.

I am not ready to write America's epitaph, why are you?

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
reply to post by ljtg123

 

your source came from Fox News.

Find a credible "news" source instead to back up information. Thanks.

reply to post by ljtg123


LOL!!! yeah maybe you should have used comedy central....

or media matters....

Obama is a socialist? Cool... But you say it like it's a negative thing.

reply to post by jzenman


socialism is not what the founding fathers had in mind...

i also think the Bible is pretty clear on the matter too

2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

that would be those "lifers" on welfare and food stamps....

reply to post by ljtg123


Si , Muchas Gracias Senora.........


i297.photobucket.com...

Barack Obama is anti-colonialist according to this article.It makes more sense than the socialist idea.

www.forbes.com...

Obama is just another spoke on the wheel, much like the rest of us. You are wasting valuable energy on Obama, it is the ones above him we need to go after.

Don't throw rocks at the throne.

Originally posted by Centurionx
Obama is just another spoke on the wheel, much like the rest of us. You are wasting valuable energy on Obama, it is the ones above him we need to go after.

If I'm getting mowed down by a tank, I focus on the tank FIRST. If/When I manage to disable the tank, then I'll get inside and take care of the driver.

I could sit here, all day, and analyze various strategies of how best to stop the driver; but that would just get me killed without even knowing who the guy-behind-the-controls even is (or, reports to).

I think that we do need to continue the focus on Obama, he's the ticket to the real deal. We need to be vigilant, we need to dig deeper. He is the key.

reply to post by Centurionx


unless your promoting armed rebellion....then i don't see any way to get at these people....and even in armed rebellion we would still need to go through obama and their arms....right?

reply to post by SourGrapes




i agree.... obama is one of the keys, in other nations it is their leaders that are keys...

Ok.

Let us put them all in a bunker with a box of grenades, that ought to do er'. Seriously, I'm not a violent person, but these people have NO humanity, nor sense of compassion. Therefore, I believe the world will be much better off without them, and I doubt anyone will shed a tear when they are dee-stroyed. I want to see them hurt, in pain, and their hearts filled with absolute terror, since that is what they so gracefully bestowed upon so many. What did that old dude say on Star Wars? something like "All those who gain power, are afraid to lose it." That's TPTB.

Also, would'nt Obama be the driver? USA the tank, and TPTB the field marshall?

reply to post by Centurionx


Yup you have many supporters with these feelings...that those responsible for the greed of exploiting humanity through pain and suffering, terror and fear of death.... should pay dearly

Originally posted by ljtg123

Originally posted by Kaleokualoha
Nothing in my references "says that he didn't write the poem about davis." I recommend that we follow the evidence. The burden of proof is always upon those making controversial claims.

Then you have no argument. Of course he wrote the poem about Davis.

I'm sorry. Perhaps I was too subtle in my explanation. When I said "the burden of proof is always upon those making controversial claims," this means that YOU must prove the poem is about Davis, even without considering the exculpatory evidence provided by the mirror.

Picking and choosing which evidence to consider is called "stacking the evidence," and is prima facie evidence of deception. Ex-D.A. Mike Nifong learned this the hard way in the Duke lacrosse incident.

The mirror evidence totally refutes any claim that the poem is about Davis. Only propagandists would dare to make claims that so clearly contradict the evidence. Without proof YOUR claim is hogwash!


"The first duty of a man is the seeking after and the investigation of truth."
- Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC)

reply to post by Kaleokualoha

You have posted the same thing nearly word for word in two separate threads.....Weird...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Although Obama's book indicates "Frank" was a family friend who offered him advice on racial issues, Obama wrote that Davis "fell short" and his views were "incurable." Obama did not even visit Davis for three years before going to college. Obama's book, itself, proves that Obama did not consider Davis to be a "wise and trusted counselor," which is the definition of "mentor." By what creative definition can Davis be considered his "mentor"?

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Although Obama's book indicates "Frank" was a family friend who offered him advice on racial issues, Obama wrote that Davis "fell short" and his views were "incurable." Obama's book proves that Obama did not consider Davis to be a "wise and trusted counselor," which is the standard definition of "mentor." By what creative definition can Davis be considered his "mentor"?


.... Bye

Can someone post a link to this blasted poem so I can read it for myself? Most of the poetry I've read deals in imagery rather than fact, and I just want to see what this mirror business is for myself.

reply to post by nenothtu


americandigest.org...


this is the link from the OP... i'm sure its the same all over..

reply to post by tspark


Thank you.

The poem is shot through with poetic imagery and allegory. To insist that the mirror in question must somehow be a literal mirror in a literal chair that Obama had literally stashed sometime previous beggars belief, and belies the use of poetic imagery within the poem. The immediate following passage has the blood draining from "Pops'" face into Obama's face. One would presume that if all this is to be taken literally, then the episode must have occurred during a blood transfusion as well.

There is NO evidence internal to the poem to confirm or refute the identity of "Pops". What the imagery suggests is that Obama identified so strongly with Pops, whoever that was, that he saw pops in the mirror when he looked at himself, and that he had received the essence of Pops into himself (blood draining from pops face to his face), another very strong image indicating the authors link of his self-image to his image of Pops.

In order to identify who Obama was writing about in the persona of pops, one would have to go external to the poem itself, into the statements made by Obama concerning the poem. I believe that has already been done in this thread more than adequately, and has yet to meet with any meaningful refutation.

To Kaleokualoha: if this were a courtroom, your argument might stand, since courtrooms deal with finding of fact via evidence. This is not a courtroom, however, and misdirected minutiae of a poem doesn't constitute factual evidence. It has to be seen in light of it's imagery, not taken as literal testimony.