Obama:Change to be afraid of.....

Originally posted by Curiousisall
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Uh...

Those both say the exact same thing.
What do you see moving?

You can't tell the difference between the claim that "Obama is a known socialist muslim" (a patent absurdity, by the way) and "who Obama's mom went to high school with"?

If you can't tell the difference there, I'm afraid I just can't help you.

Originally posted by Kaleokualoha
Why do you post that Frank Marshall Davis was Obama’s “mentor”? Because conservative firebrand Cliff Kincaid said so? "Dreams From My Father" belies that urban myth. It's a pity Americans are so easily hoodwinked by this right-wing disinformation, just like we were duped regarding the Iraqi threat. But even today, some Americans would rather believe fully discredited lies than admit they were duped. They don't have the courage to admit their mistakes. For everyone else: "Follow the evidence."

Although Obama's book indicates "Frank" was a family friend who offered him advice on racial issues, Obama wrote that Davis "fell short" and his views were "incurable." Obama's book proves that Obama did not consider Davis to be a "wise and trusted counselor," which is the standard definition of "mentor." By what creative definition can Davis be considered his "mentor"?

Further, according to "Dreams," Obama visited Davis only twice on his own after visiting with Gramps: once to discuss his grandmother's bus stop incident, and three years later before leaving for college. When did this alleged "communist" training occur?

By exaggerating evidence that Davis advised Obama, yet ignoring evidence from the same source that Obama did NOT Frank to be a wise and trusted advisor, those who spread the urban myth Davis was Obama's "mentor" are as dishonest as ex-D.A. Mike Nifong. The "Nifong Syndrome" is the stacking of evidence by ignoring evidence that does not fit one's agenda. By portraying Davis as Obama's mentor, despite conclusive evidence to the contrary, fraudulent "opposition research" by Cliff Kincaid and others permeates the blogosphere. Their travesty of journalistic ethics, like their "AIM Reports," demonstrates that they are unreliable sources of information on the Davis-Obama relationship. As the epitome of contemporary propaganda, Cliff Kincaid may be a worthy successor to Reich Minister Joseph Goebbels.

Such rhetorical deception was highlighted in the story of Alice's adventures in "Through The Looking-Glass,"

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone. "It means just what I choose it to mean - neither more or less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
- Lewis Carroll, English author & recreational mathematician (1832 - 1898)

Cliff Kincaid and his colleagues designed an elaborate scam. Instead of fake jewelry, they fake opposition research. They present false information about Frank Marshall Davis, like the Bush administration presented false information about the Iraqi threat. Both were the product of disinformation campaigns designed to frame their targets for imaginary offenses, because their actual behavior was insufficient. They combined fact with fabrication to create a tapestry of historical fiction, not unlike "The Da Vinci Code" or the persecution of Dr. Steven Hatfill during the anthrax scare.

Just as the Senate confirmed that the Bush administration misrepresented the Iraqi threat, so too does irrefutable evidence confirmed that Cliff Kincaid misrepresented Frank Marshall Davis. From the ranks of responsible journalism, Cliff Kincaid's perfidious performance deserves a dishonorable discharge -- Straussian rationalization notwithstanding.

Disinformation creates urban myths based on "secret knowledge" from anonymous sources. The Internet's viral nature lets myths emerge fully grown from propagandists, or they may perversely grow from a kernel of truth, nurtured by confirmation bias.

A disinformation campaign is like a house of cards, or an illusion fabricated over a framework of falsehoods. When enough support is withdrawn, the disinformation reveals its true colors. So it was with the Bush administration's Iraqi "threat" myth, which falsely claimed WMD stockpiles and mobile weapons labs largely based upon false reports from Iraqi source "Curveball." So it is with disinformation regarding the Davis-Obama relationship myth, largely based upon false reports from the conservative "Ministry of Truth" source, Cliff Kincaid's so-called "Accuracy In Media" (AIM). Their parallel functions belie any coincidence in their parallel names.

"Truth is generally the best vindication against slander."
- Abraham Lincoln

So how come Obama is doing everything to get the government control of everything?

Originally posted by nenothtu

I neither care that you don't trust me, nor expect you to. If it's too hard a job for you to follow your own advice and do the research, who am I to argue with that?

Believe as you will.

Next moving target, please...

Actually I wasted a great deal of time trying to find just one thread, blog, or article about who Obama's mom hung out with in high school from 2009 or earlier. I LOOKED.

Why do you keep insisting I am moving anything? What have I moved? I asked where all this concern over this trivial periphery was before he was elected. That is what I am still asking. What are you on?

Originally posted by nenothtu
You can't tell the difference between the claim that "Obama is a known socialist muslim" (a patent absurdity, by the way) and "who Obama's mom went to high school with"?

If you can't tell the difference there, I'm afraid I just can't help you.

edit on 2010/9/29 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)

If you do not understand how both refer to the same group of people then I am afraid no one can help you.

Obama is not a dictator or facist but anyone in thier right mind can see He clearly is socialist,which can lead to dictators and fascism if you understand how it works first.

Originally posted by Curiousisall

Originally posted by nenothtu

I neither care that you don't trust me, nor expect you to. If it's too hard a job for you to follow your own advice and do the research, who am I to argue with that?

Believe as you will.

Next moving target, please...

Actually I wasted a great deal of time trying to find just one thread, blog, or article about who Obama's mom hung out with in high school from 2009 or earlier. I LOOKED.

Why do you keep insisting I am moving anything? What have I moved? I asked where all this concern over this trivial periphery was before he was elected. That is what I am still asking. What are you on?

Ok, I'll try this once, and once only. Your initial claim was that there was no concern about Obama pre-election, a fairly broad and sweeping claim. When that was shown to be false, you moved the target to a specific, miniscule, and absurd, PORTION of a much larger post in order to ATTEMPT to carry your point - unsuccessfully, I might add.

"Who Obama's mom hung out with" was NOT your initial claim, so why did you search on that specific minutiae? "Disproving" that one tiny specific prop in no way invalidates the rebuttal to your initial sweeping claim.

Get it yet?

reply to post by Curiousisall


You remind me of someone who seems to be inactive for about a month now.
I see you became a member on 9/11, ironic!

edit to add, can you post anything to back up your questions? You don't seem to know how to debate, but you are great at attacking
sl

reply to post by nenothtu


LOL!!!

She reminds me of another poster that i haven't seen for a while...their user name was "Cindyremains"

i caught on to your post after i responded...

reply to post by Curiousisall

Originally posted by Curiousisall

Originally posted by nenothtu

I neither care that you don't trust me, nor expect you to. If it's too hard a job for you to follow your own advice and do the research, who am I to argue with that?

Believe as you will.

Next moving target, please...

Actually I wasted a great deal of time trying to find just one thread, blog, or article about who Obama's mom hung out with in high school from 2009 or earlier. I LOOKED.

Why do you keep insisting I am moving anything? What have I moved? I asked where all this concern over this trivial periphery was before he was elected. That is what I am still asking. What are you on?

sooo you don't consider eyewitness account reliable? i would hate to end up in your court of law...

the OP found it and more...why not give it a read.... with an open mind....

obama was shaped by these people...and you might get an insight into how deadly serious he is....

reply to post by sweetliberty

Originally posted by sweetliberty
reply to post by Curiousisall

 

You remind me of someone who seems to be inactive for about a month now.
I see you became a member on 9/11, ironic!

edit to add, can you post anything to back up your questions? You don't seem to know how to debate, but you are great at attacking

sl

edit on 29-9-2010 by sweetliberty because: (no reason given)

LOL!!! cindyremains???..:>

my thoughts on the matter...

reply to post by ljtg123


I just recieved this link today for what it's worth....

Is Barack Obama Really A Saudi / Muslim "Plant" in the White House?

A centralized government is what we need...our current government isnt any better.

The only problem i have with socialism, is that we the people will be forever supressed, or we can be more like france, and make a stand when we want change. I dont think the government can stop 20 million people on its door step

well now all these idiots who voted for him thinking they were making a change in this country will come to a grim realization that they deserve. what were these morons thinking? that he was going to actually help this country? why are people so dumb and manipulated that they can be brainwashed in a matter of a five minute speech? the intentions that obama has for this country nobody deserves, but sometimes you realize just how gullible and dumbed down people can be.

as for the voting system, lets just say obama didnt win the election fair and square. does that mean it would have been rigged anyway because he was pre-picked by our own dark government?

sometimes, i wonder if a new world order or totalitarian state is what these brainless parrots deserve in this country. but then again, who am i to wish that upon somebody else? there HAS to be a better way..

& no im not praying for an armed revolution, but a peaceful one? do those even exist anymore?

why cant people wake up to the fact that ron paul & rand paul are the only guys who can help us? when will we take over our mainstream media that is the outlet for these cronies who are up top? do THESE idiots really need CNN & FOX news that bad?! PLEASE PEOPLE PASS THE INFORMATION ON IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR FAMILIES & LOVED ONES!

Originally posted by 8fl0z
A centralized government is what we need...our current government isnt any better.

The only problem i have with socialism, is that we the people will be forever supressed, or we can be more like france, and make a stand when we want change. I dont think the government can stop 20 million people on its door step

Ah yes... centralization.. The bane of the people, the friend of despots. Makes the control structure MUCH more user-friendly.

Look around the world... look through the pages of history... tell me what you see on every case of centralized government and planning.

What you advocate is Totalitarianism. Whether left or right, whether fascist or communist, Totalitarianism has ALWAYS been centralized, and it has ALWAYS been the enemy of the people, and ultimately the enemy of liberty.

Take heart, we ARE moving towards more centralized government - unless something gives. I personally think it will, but that's just me.

My problems with socialism? Well, I'll just let 'em know what those are when I voice my displeasure at the notion when they come to take MY stuff to "redistribute" it.

'Nuff said.

reply to post by sweetliberty


LOLSL you hit the nail on the head there loved it!!!!!

reply to post by OldDragger


A landslide??? I think not.



Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29 Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

reply to post by NoHierarchy

True, NoHierarchy.

But be careful with your imagery of green anarchism when praising left-wing politics. They are way badly confused in North America by grassroots activists.

Both you and OP seem to don't get that this ain't a two-party system with left-wing and right-wing influences, as they both defend and develop different aspects of a totalitarian regime (that we call "democracy"). These are two heads of the same empire, two wings of the same Imperial Eagle:



doublesquids.net...



Thought that Eagle was "American"? Think again!

*YYAAAWWWNNNN* i asleep there for a minute, i read up to "obama is a socalist" and was bored, socalism is a good thing.

You remind me of someone who conadricts good things "congradulations you just won a million dollars how do you feel? " ahhh im pissed off!!! nobody should win anything arrggg!!!!

Like what is wrong with his dad being an inparation? do you want people to pay for health care while thounsads suffer and die? rather then pay a few extra bucks on taxes? you sound like you might be overly concerned with money, would you spare a dollar if it meant someone could live for another day?

Or are you and your conservitve buddies wanting to save some cash?

You ranted on about some book, of which i have knowledge of nor do i want to. I am just going to take a wild guess and say your father is racist and you are from the southern states, if thats a yes then that explains everything.

Ps Do you think public education is a bad thing? what about science or nasa? If those are bad too then i think i have you figured out

The first reaction is OMG doesn't this guy have anything better to do? Obama is an American politician and as such has no power. Money is the power that pays for careers and campaigns not rhetoric. The corporate oligarchy owns the US government it's agencies and it's judges. The politicians are just there to distract the rubes with rhetoric and the blame game, while the true power negotiates in back rooms through lobbyists and PACs.

Typical GOP argument, socialism is bad because government is inefficient, yeah right so instead of in god we trust it's in the Uber Rich we trust. It should be obvious to anyone with common sense.

Americas epitath shall read - Here stood a nation of people that loved freedom so much that they didn't put restrictions on individual greed, and private interests got big and powerful enough to take over, and take their freedoms away.

Moderation in all things . too much bureaucracy and regulation, is just as bad as not enough.

reply to post by ljtg123


your source came from Fox News.

Find a credible "news" source instead to back up information. Thanks.