Muslims do NOT care if we burn the Koran! They care about THIS!

reply to post by ollncasino

An interesting argument. If not all terrorists are Islamic terrorists, then who are we to point the finger at Islamic terrorists?
I think you need to think that one through again.

No, I really don't. Terrorists come in all shapes and sizes and from lots of belief systems, often from small radicalised factions. Try and keep up.

If 1 in 3 lodgers in my house believed in some sky god and wanted to kill people who no longer believed in their sky god, then I would be quite concerned living in the same house as those particular Sky god believers.

But I am not a member of their sky god cult and don't fret too much because I know it is a minority view.

I would also expect that the wider society would help the minority of the minority see the error of their ways and if that fails, I would expect the full force of the law to be visited upon your friends, er, I mean lodgers.

In many ways, most British Muslims are similar to non Muslim Britons.

Where they diverge, not surprisingly, is when Islam collides with Western notions of ethics.

For instance,

(1) In respect of the Danish cartoon controversy,

73% of British Muslims feel that the cause for the controversy is Western disrespect (9% feel it is Muslim intolerance).

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(2) Interestingly, while 49% of British Muslims feel that Westerners are respectful to women, a significant 44% believe they are not.

59% of non Muslim Britons feel that Muslims are not respectful to women, while only 26% feel they are.

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(3) In response to the question,

Is there a conflict being a devout Muslim and living in a Western society?

54% of British Muslims feels that there is while 35% see no conflict.

In response to the question

"Can violence against civilian targets in order to defend Islam be Justified?"

Only slightly over 1 in 7 (15%) of Muslims said it could (rarely or sometimes), while 64% said it could never be justified

(4) How do British Muslims see Westerns?

67% describe Westerns as selfish, 64% as arrogant and 52% as violent.

British non-Muslim on the other hand describe Muslims

as fanatical 48%, as violent 32% and as arrogant 35%.

(5) On a more positive note, British Muslims have a more moderate view of Jews than the non Western Muslim world, however it is still more negative than positive (32% of British Muslims have a positive rating of jews).

The percentage of Muslims with a negative view of Jews was not given in the report.

(6) 84% of British Muslims are concerned with the rise in Islamic extremism in the world, while only 14% of British Muslim have confidence in Bin Laden, while 68% have little to no confidence in him.

(7) Worryingly, 12% of British Muslims claim that many or most British Muslims support Al Qaeda.

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Originally posted by joewalker
But I am not a member of their sky god cult and don't fret too much because I know it is a minority view.

So if only 49% of the members of the Sky Cult want to kill people who leave their religion, then according to you, there is no cause for alarm?

Are you for real???

Are you sure you don't believe in that particular sky god?

As it is, 1 in 5 British Muslims above 55 want people who leave Islam to be executed, while 1 in 3 between the ages of 16 and 24 want people killed for leaving their religion.

If the proportion of young Muslims who want people murdered in the name of enforced Islam rises from 36% to 51%, are we then allowed to be worried or will you just find some new line of spin to try to deflect attention away from the issue of murder in the name of religion?

Do Muslims really care about what the op calls "this"?

No, I think it's just phony outrage because they are angry at everyone for every little thing.

They raise their Jihad kiddies to be suicide bombers for the purpose of killing innocent women and children.

If their sole purpose in life is to die for their cause, what the hell is wrong with trying to accommodate them?

reply to post by ollncasino

So if only 49% of the members of the Sky Cult want to kill people who leave their religion, then according to you, there is no cause for alarm?

Still keeping things in perspective, huh.

But I am not a member of their sky god cult and your imaginary 49% do not want to kill me.

If the proportion of young Muslims who want people murdered in the name of enforced Islam rises from 36% to 51%, are we then allowed to be worried or will you just find some new line of spin to try to deflect attention away from the issue of murder in the name of religion?

But we only have a flawed survey and your imagination on which to speculate.

Heh heh. You would have got a lot more mileage out of the whole forced marriage thing.Try that next time.

reply to post by joewalker

But we only have a flawed survey and your imagination on which to speculate.

No, we have credible survey (prove its flawed!) and a clear trend - rise from 19 to 36 percent in the number of muslims which support killing in the name of religion. 15% of british muslims think violence against civilian targets in the defense of islam is ok, 12% claim that many of the fellow muslims support Al Quaeda, which means they support open violence intended to destroy western way of life.

To me, these are alarming numbers..

reply to post by Maslo

No, we have credible survey (prove its flawed!)

So much hate, thats not a very christian like attitude to take, you dont even say please or would you mind.

Did you not understand the question re the veils? The people conducting the survey wearnt even sure what question they were asking so god knows where they got the answers.

As to the rest of your request, to which survey are you referring? Do you know?

Like the sig by the way. Irony is like silvery to some of you, I guess.

Originally posted by joewalker
Did you not understand the question re the veils? The people conducting the survey wearnt even sure what question they were asking so god knows where they got the answers.

Actually, they appear to have been shocked by the fact that 74% of British Muslims aged 16-24 year olds would prefer Muslim women to wear a veil.

They then went through the possibility that people had misunderstood the question.

But you are not shocked, my little sky god spinner, are you?

Originally posted by joewalker
But we only have a flawed survey and your imagination on which to speculate.

The three main authors of the report were

- Munira Mirza (a broadcaster and PhD student of local cultural studies)

- Abi Senthilkumaran (a Social Policy Research Methods Masters student) and

- Zein Ja'far (a Masters student of Near and Middle Eastern Studies).

Munira Mirza is a Muslim and by the looks of the names of the other 2, there is a high chance they are too.

I wish you were more interested in the truth rather than defending people who, if we call a spade a spade, want to kill in the name of religion.

Islamic radicals 'infiltrate' the Labour Party

A Labour minister says his party has been infiltrated by a fundamentalist Muslim group that wants to create an “Islamic social and political order” in Britain.

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The Islamic Forum of Europe (IFE) — which believes in jihad and sharia law, and wants to turn Britain and Europe into an Islamic state — has placed sympathisers in elected office and claims, correctly, to be able to achieve “mass mobilisation” of voters.

IFE activists boasted to the undercover reporters that they had already “consolidated … a lot of influence and power” over Tower Hamlets, a London borough council with a £1 billion budget.

We have established that the group and its allies were awarded more than £10 million of taxpayers’ money, much of it from government funds designed to “prevent violent extremism”.

FE leaders were recorded expressing opposition to democracy, support for sharia law or mocking black people. The IFE organised meetings with extremists, including Taliban allies, a man named by the US government as an “unindicted co-conspirator” in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and a man under investigation by the FBI for his links to the September 11 attacks.

Moderate Muslims in London told how the IFE and its allies were enforcing their hardline views on the rest of the local community, curbing behaviour they deemed “un-Islamic”.

Schools in Tower Hamlets are told by the council should close for the Muslim festival of Eid, even where most of their pupils are not Muslim.

reply to post by ollncasino

But you are not shocked, my little sky god spinner, are you?

Second attempt at a lame insult huh
As a wise man once said "ya can call me want, long as ya call me for my dinner".

You brought the survey to the forum dont get all antsy because you failed to understand just what you were posting.
You wrote:

Actually, they appear to have been shocked by the fact that 74% of British Muslims aged 16-24 year olds would prefer Muslim women to wear a veil.

And our survey said:

Younger respondents expressed a much greater preference for Muslim women to choose the veil; 74% of 16-24 year olds chose this statement, compared to only 28% of 55+ year olds. There was no significant difference between men and women on this issue. The response to this question is very surprising, considering how few women actually do choose to wear the veil.

The suprise was the response was so high considering so few choose to wear the veil.

I wish you were more interested in the truth rather than defending people who, if we call a spade a spade, want to kill in the name of religion

Nah, that comes from being British and recognising BS when we see it.

But you've made me change my mind. I will happily accept the reports findings but do you?

You posted this:

Only a minority of people described as ‘radicalised’ or ‘extremist’ Muslims is likely to commit or plan terrorist attacks. This group is extremely small and there is little evidence to show that radical Islamist terrorist groups constitute a mass social movement in Western society

A very small minority; little evidence to show a mass social movement in Western society.

Edit: So which is it ollncasino. Very small minority or super plot to bring down teh Western world.

Alx is watching.

Two people assaulted in France for eating during Ramadam. One was not even Muslim

A man who was lunching on the terrace of a restaurant in central Lyon was assaulted for not respecting Ramadan.

Three days later, a young Jewish woman who wore a complaint after being assaulted in a large area of Toulouse. . The victim claimed to have been taken to task by two teenagers who accused him of buying food during fasting.

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Australian Muslim Cleric Calls for Beheading -- Who Cares?

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What happens when an Australian Muslim cleric calls for the beheading of a Dutch politician?

Not much.

What happens when an American pastor no one ever heard of threatens to burn a Koran?

It ignites an international outcry.

Who is the Next Molly Norris?

An American cartoonist is forced into hiding by a fatwa. Who's next?

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Top British supermarkets secretly sell halal

Britain's biggest supermarket chains are selling halal lamb and chicken without telling unsuspecting shoppers.

Those stocking meat slaughtered according to Islamic law include Waitrose, Marks & Spencer, Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Somerfield and the Co-op.

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Muslims demand apology for New Zealand minister's joke

WELLINGTON — New Zealand's Islamic community has written to Prime Minister John Key demanding an apology for a joke one of his ministers made about Muslims, the Dominion Post newspaper reported Saturday.

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Indonesia Islamists oppose building of Church

Vigilantes vow to stop ‘Christianization’ of Indonesia

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Ethiopian Christian Stabbed For Leaving Islam

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Christians tried for breaking Ramadan fast

Two Algerian Christians have been tried for breaking Ramadan fasting rules, with hundreds of people protesting outside the courtroom against judicial authorities.

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Woman threatens France with suicide bomb attack after burka ban

The bomb threat, which followed France’s ban last week on the Muslim burka headdress, was being taken ‘extremely seriously’, said an interior ministry source.

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Four Buddhists killed in restive Thai south

Reuters, Ala

Four Buddhist villagers were shot dead and their homes set ablaze in Thailand's troubled Muslim south, police said on Sunday, the latest in a spree of deadly attacks blamed on separatist rebels.

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