Muslims do NOT care if we burn the Koran! They care about THIS!

reply to post by Maslo

nobody says that all muslims support shariah and restrictions of freedom

You havent been reading olln's posts have you.

Originally posted by joewalker
An influential Muslim scholar has issued a global ruling against terrorism and suicide bombing.

In his religious ruling, delivered in London, Dr Qadri says that Islam forbids the massacre of innocent citizens and suicide bombings.

Islamic scholar Tahir ul-Qadri issues terrorism fatwa

Some people say that Muslims don't condemn Islamic terrorists. That is patently untrue. A small but significant minority of Islamic leaders have condemned killing in the name of Islam.

Sadly, their protestations appear to fall on deaf ears.

For instance, during Ramadan 2010, Islamic terrorists carried out 226 terrorist attacks and killed 1,028 people.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Lest anyone doubt the numbers, scroll down the page to see the details of dates and locations.

In the same period, 1 Hindu murdered 1 Christian.

What is it about Islam that makes it so much more violent than other religions?

Originally posted by ollncasino
What is it about Islam that makes it so much more violent than other religions?

"The spread of Islam was military. There is a tendency to apologize for this and we should not. It is one of the injunctions of the Qur'an that you must fight to spread Islam."

Dr. Ali Issa Othman, Islamic Scholar

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.

But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world….  Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war.

Those [who say this] are witless.  Islam says, kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!  ...Whatever good there is, exists thanks to the sword, and in the shadow of the sword! 

People cannot be made obedient, except with the sword! 

The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! 

...Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war?  I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

—Ayatollah Khomeini (1902-1989) Iran’s Supreme Leader from 1979 to 1989

reply to post by ollncasino

Some people say that Muslims don't condemn Islamic terrorists. That is patently untrue. A small but significant minority of Islamic leaders have condemned killing in the name of Islam.

Would you mind if I quote some of that and use it as a siggy?

Hardly small and insigificant olln.

What is it about Islam that makes it so much more violent than other religions?

Hmmm, do you mean in history or more recently because I'm fairly sure most Abrahamic religions have violent followers.
Apart from the Bahai's who only disaprove of homosexuals of course.

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Chicago bomb plot thwarted

canadafreepress.com...

reply to post by ollncasino

In June, HASSOUN was directed to an undercover FBI agent whom he believed was a “jihadist contact

Be interesting to find out who directed the wannabe murderer to to the FBI. People from the local muslim community who dont agree with his views perhaps..

Originally posted by OllnCasino
What is it about Islam that makes it so much more violent than other religions?

Originally posted by joewalker
Hmmm, do you mean in history or more recently because I'm fairly sure most Abrahamic religions have violent followers.

It has actually been a relatively quiet week on the Islamic terrorism front. Only 15 Jihadist attacks in 10 countries around the world, with 40 people murdered and 65 injured.

2010.10.01 Pakistan Sindh 5 killed 8 wounded
- Five people are burned alive when Jihadis fire rockets into oil tankers in two separate attacks.

2010.09.30 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 killed 9 wounded
- Three civilians are dismembered by a Shahid suicide bomber.

2010.09.29 Russia Elbrus 2 killed 20 wounded
- A woman is among two people shot to death by Islamists.

2010.09.29 Iraq Baqubah 1 killed 1 wounded
- A civilian standing near a minibus is gunned down by Holy Warriors.

2010.09.29 Yemen Shabwa 3 killed 0 wounded
- Three Yemenis are riddled with bullets by al-Qaeda cadres.

2010.09.28 Thailand Pattani 5 killed 3 wounded
- Children are among the victims when Islamic radicals brutally gun down five people buying fruit at a warehouse.

2010.09.28 Iraq Tarmiya 2 killed 8 wounded
- Two Iraqis are killed when a cafe is blasted by a Jihad bomb.

2010.09.28 Afghanistan Ghazni 5 killed 17 wounded
- Five people are shredded by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.

2010.09.27 Pakistan Karachi 1 killed 0 wounded
- Sectarian Jihadis gun down a Shia civilian.

2010.09.27 Iraq Mosul 2 killed 1 wounded
- A woman and a teacher are shot to death by religious militants.

2010.09.27 India Hat Thymmai 1 killed 2 wounded
- A Hindu woman is murdered by Bangladeshi radicals.

2010.09.27 Dagestan Makhachkala 2 killed 1 wounded
- A girl and her father are shot to death on the doorstep of their home by Muslim terrorists.

2010.09.26 Iraq Garma 4 killed 4 Four Iraqis are blown up by Jihadi car bombers.

2010.09.26 Ingushetia Yandare 1 killed 1 wounded
- Islamists roll up on a police post and take down one officer at point-blank range.

2010.09.26 Iraq Mosul 3 killed 0 wounded
-Two brothers shot in their home are among three people murdered by Mujahideen

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Originally posted by joewalker
Be interesting to find out who directed the wannabe murderer to to the FBI. People from the local muslim community who dont agree with his views perhaps..

We can only hope so.

reply to post by joewalker

nobody says that all muslims support shariah and restrictions of freedom

You havent been reading olln's posts have you.

He posted statistics saying that majority of muslims do not suport this violent behavior. I have nothing against peaceful muslims, or any other religious people (with the exception that I consider them indoctrinated, as an atheist). I am sure ollncasino would agree with me.

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Yeah, we would never nurture and promote religous extremism would we olln:

As Afghan schools reopen today, the United States is back in the business of providing schoolbooks. But now it is wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism. What seemed like a good idea in the context of the Cold War is being criticized by humanitarian workers as a crude tool that steeped a generation in violence

Above the soldier is a verse from the Koran. Below is a Pashtu tribute to the mujaheddin, who are described as obedient to Allah. Such men will sacrifice their wealth and life itself to impose Islamic law on the government, the text says.

"We were quite shocked," said Doug Pritchard, who reviewed the primers in December while visiting Pakistan on behalf of a Canada-based Christian nonprofit group. "The constant image of Afghans being natural warriors is wrong. Warriors are created. If you want a different kind of society, you have to create it."

Bought and paid for by the US taxpayer.www.washingtonpost.com...

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I can't claim to know or understand The Muslims or the Quran 100%. Hell I don't always understand Americans and what they believe. I did see on this Google movie called "The God Delusion" a Muslim, during the interviews, in the safety of his home country stated "ISLAM will take over the world someday" and then he proceeded to tell the interviewer to get his self right. he began to state how we "Westerners" were all messed up and our morals are screwed up. And then proclaimed how they are all right and we are all wrong. The thing is I have seen how they are too and in my personal observations they are aggressive,greedy, and hateful, they will rape and murder their own daughters as a disciplinary action for being westernized. Regardless of what they say on our soil. when they are in their homeland they talk a bunch of anti american smack! So brave when they sit in their shops talking about taking over the world and the world becomes Islam but if america blows them off the map then were evil?
I say If any country was going to take over the world I would rather it be america over any other. ask yourself which you would rather.

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Muslim radicalisation gains momentum in US

Long feared by US intelligence, Muslim radicalisation is gaining momentum in the United States, which has had a spate of cases featuring youths recruited and trained overseas for jihad.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Originally posted by Maslo
He posted statistics saying that majority of muslims do not suport this violent behavior. I have nothing against peaceful muslims, or any other religious people (with the exception that I consider them indoctrinated, as an atheist). I am sure ollncasino would agree with me.

Yes I do agree with you.

Until someone's religious rights interfere with my (or other peoples') secular (or religious) rights, I have no problem with religion.

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And i would agree with both of you.

Religous extremism always leads to bad outcomes.

Peace.

All you hear is hypocrisy on this site. The story that I'm hearing here is very similar to a story that has been told countless of times over and over again. Kind of like pilgrims raping and murdering and placing on reservations the native Americans. But that is ok, because afterall, it's America. There is still a lot of resentment about that from the native Americans. I know this sounds off subject, but just making a point. Throughout history there has been atrocities around the globe. Read up on WWII and see how our non involvement escalated into a World War. Pearl Harbor and all. Our non involvement here would escalate to the same level. The extremists are bent on Destroying America. They will stop at nothing. We have to go into their homes, their country to stop them from coming on our soil. I know what you are thinking, they are already on our soil, true enough. Just making a point.

Oh yeah, just to let you know, I'm in Afghanistan, I'm the vice president of an Afghanistan Company. I'm an American, been over in the middle east for 10 years now, From Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, the UAE and Afghanistan, so I can speak with great authority on the subject as far as what we are doing. Oh yeah, I was also Active Army during the invasion into Iraq, I seen more than most people read about or see on TV.

Just thought that I would share some points to ponder here. I know that I didn't go into great details. But very few people on this site do.

911 and the continuing campaign in the middle east is only about money. it was never about retaliation./retribution.
the bush/bilderburg architects are only interested on filling their pockets with american tax dollars.
the muslims have been brainwashed by their leaders and their religion to fight, not for freedom, but the glory and the dream of going to their reward. i understand that in their minds their reward is everlasting, but what the hell do us as american tax payers get out of any of this? freedom? cheaper gas? lithium batteries?reducing the terrorist threat by reducing their populations?

sadam is dead, binladen is dead. the CIA needs to let their brainchild die with the dead and let everyone come home and get on with their lives.

the government contractors has milked us enough. give us a brake

muslims will never change, let them fight amongst themselves until they are no more.

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by maybereal11

 

FYI If anyone wants to see an amazing theme...check out ollncasino's posting history. Hundreds of posts if not over a thousand by now..A single topic...Hate Mongering toward Muslims...

Isnt it more alarming that after this amount of posts he still has material to post? Majority of his posts are not mindless rants, but contain documented cases of criminal acts motivated by islamic fundamentalism and culture. I dare you to find similar amount of criminal acts motivated by any other religion!

Otherwise you dont have right to criticize him. Stating facts is not hate mongering.

edit on 2-10-2010 by Maslo because: typos

He is posting garbage...uncredible...articles that make claims without supporting evidence...by sites and authors who are infamous for thier dishonesty in reporting...anyone can post article after article of garbage...the internet is full of it...look at the source, the author, the details of the claims, then research them. When he has been disproven on one claim, he runs away and posts three other garbage articles. You can take him at his word if it serves your views, but if you are interested honesty...drill down on his garbage...source, author, facts, research.

reply to post by muzzleflash


they dont care what happens to their women. Just look how they treat them sorry but according to the koran every copy burned hurts Jesus more and more and they cant cast jihad without Jesus. You do raise an good point but they come to our city and blow up our tower.

Originally posted by Vincitori
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

they dont care what happens to their women. Just look how they treat them

sorry but according to the koran every copy burned hurts Jesus more and more and they cant cast jihad without Jesus. You do raise an good point but they come to our city and blow up our tower.

Dude, they were in our base killing our dudes, so we retaliated. Burning the Koran has nothing to do with the war on Iraq, people are just sick of our towels being used for incorrect purposes such as head wrapping.

Originally posted by maybereal11
He is posting garbage...uncredible...articles that make claims without supporting evidence...by sites and authors who are infamous for thier dishonesty in reporting...anyone can post article after article of garbage...the internet is full of it...look at the source, the author, the details of the claims, then research them.

You are scoring an own goal by inviting people to look at my sources!

My two favourite sources are the the Telegaph (A UK quality broadsheet founded in 1855) and the Religion of Peace (an anti-Islamic website that documents Islamic terrorist attacks around the world - including dates and locations).

People should visit the websites I have cited and make up their own mind. I have nothing to hide. On the other hand, maybereal11 can offer only spin and deflection.

Certainly not links.

Certainly not any evidence.

Certainly nothing disproving anything I have cited.

Just more pathetic, pro Islamic terrorist spin and nonsense.

Here is a list of my recent links in ascending order - remember, maybereal11 wants people to visit these sites and make up their own mind (or perhaps he doesn't!).


Muslim radicalisation gains momentum in US

www.telegraph.co.uk...

From 2010.09.26 to 2010.10.01 - 15 Jihadist attacks in 10 countries around the world, with 40 people murdered and 65 injured.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Chicago Bomb Plot Thwarted

canadafreepress.com...

During Ramadan 2010, Islamic terrorists carried out 226 terrorist attacks and killed 1,028 people. In the same period, 1 Hindu murdered 1 Christian.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

134th Thai Teacher Assassinated by Muslim Terrorists in Thailand this Year

undhimmi.com...

KUHNER: Radical Islam's conquest of America

www.washingtontimes.com...

Norway Terror Plot 'Targeted Danish Paper'

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Is 'Islamophobia' a Worldwide Free Speech Threat?

www.cbn.com...

'Islamization' of Paris a Warning to the West

www.cbn.com...

YouGov Poll of UK Muslim Student Attitudes

today.yougov.co.uk...

At least 20 Britons are undergoing terrorist training in Pakistan to launch Mumbai-style shootings and suicide attacks in Britain

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Former Australian PM attacks multiculturalism

www.telegraph.co.uk...

List of Muslim Riots Since 1989

markhumphrys.com...

Gunman Kills Theo van Gogh

news.bbc.co.uk...

The Danish cartoonist who survived an axe attack

www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by maybereal11
When he has been disproven on one claim, he runs away and posts three other garbage articles.

It is interesting that you find facts backed up by links so difficult to spin and deflect.

The fact is, Muslim terrorists around the world are murdering people every day.

Still, you and your ilk will still be on these boards making apologises for Islamic terrorism.

Thankfully, your numbers are decreasing by the day.

Originally posted by maybereal11
You can take him at his word if it serves your views, but if you are interested honesty...drill down on his garbage...source, author, facts, research.

Please, please, please, do as maybereal11 asks and visit my links and assess the source, author, facts and research.

I have nothing to hide.

I have provided links and evidence.

Maybereal11 has provided pro-Islamic terrorist spin and deflection.

It's fooling no one.