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Like I wrote before, it doesn't matter how you label 4 objects
You can't say, "I have nothing to say in regard to whether or not God exists," and then call yourself an atheist.
Originally posted by Mike_A
reply to post by PuterMan
Is a person who lacks a belief in a god(s) not exactly the same as a person who does not believe in the existence of God or god?
Originally posted by Mike_A
reply to post by ChickenPie
You can't say, "I have nothing to say in regard to whether or not God exists," and then call yourself an atheist.
You can when atheism is take to mean a lack of belief.
Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by -PLB-
Sorry, have to take issue with the second one you just added as that states that an atheist has no belief, and the whole purpose of the OP in this thread is stating that an atheist does have a belief. A belief that God does not exist.
A person who denies the existence of any God(s) - an atheist –
So you believe the existence of God is improbable?
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
This is one of the biggest challenges Theists are yet to confront. What makes the "God" you believe in the right one?
Originally posted by Mike_A
Your definition didn’t say that an atheist is a person who denies the existence of any god(s) it said that it is a person “who does not believe in the existence of God or gods”. Not believing is not the same as denying.
An atheist's non-faith is between him and God.
Originally posted by PuterMan
Originally posted by Mike_A
Your definition didn’t say that an atheist is a person who denies the existence of any god(s) it said that it is a person “who does not believe in the existence of God or gods”. Not believing is not the same as denying.
You are nit picking.
Not believing in the existence of something is the same as denying something exists, whereas not believing in something is NOT.
You can when atheism is take to mean a lack of belief.
I am an atheist because I have no way of knowing whether or not there is a god and there is thus no reason to be a theist though also no reason to firmly reject the possibility of a god or gods.
That position says nothing about the actual existence of a god.
Agnosticism does not exclude that you believe in a god.
Originally posted by ChickenPie
But believing and not believing both deal with believing. I can say I don't believe in the existence of unicorns, but that's still a belief in itself. The belief being unicorns don't exist.
Originally posted by -PLB-
Or a similar one, defining agnostic as uncertain, and gnostic as certain
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by -PLB-
Or a similar one, defining agnostic as uncertain, and gnostic as certain
Unfortunately, the term "gnostic" was appropriated a long time ago by a specific belief, so "agnostic" and "gnostic" are not related terms -- agnosticism is not a disbelief in gnosticism.
Which is a bummer, I thought for a while there I could refer to myself as a "Christian Agnostic", lol.