Get Your Permit: Silver Iodide Weather Modification is REAL

Originally posted by Stewie
So, how much backpedaling will we see here by the ever present "denialists"?
So, we have spraying going on. We have HAD spraying going on. It is a BIG operation.
Some of the pilots here have not noticed....but, we are supposed to trust them NOW to tell us, um, what is REALLY going on.

Chemicals sprayed into the atmosphere. I think they call that "chemtrailing", don't they?

Sure, tell us who here has "Backpedaled" and is denying that cloud seeding projects are occurring? Actually everyone in this thread has said it goes on, its just some think its some major discovery that they happened upon.

Cars spray chemicals into the atmosphere, is that now part of chemtrails too?

And tell us what us pilots have not noticed, I mean we are flying airplanes, navigating through the air traffic control system, looking at other traffic, keeping in eye on the meterological conditions that we fly through, and spending a fair amount of time on the ground at airports.

I would say it is not us that is missing out on anything. When is the last them a chemtrail believer spent time at an airport, or tried to learn anything about aviation, or meteorology.

Its not a coincidence, that the people who believe in chemtrails have little to know knowledge of weather and aviation, and anyone knowledgable in those fields, laughs at chemtrail stories.







[edit on 19-7-2010 by firepilot]

i thank people's tolerence towards me and others who seem to choose incorrect choice of words that can make people seem uninformed but i understand why you refer to the use of other words as the "incorrect" words can lead to alot of other hypothetical areas but i think this is mostly from curiosity and also the inability to really know what chemicals could being used considering we have reached the fact the sky is a large concoction of many ingredients which can make it difficult to isolate for analysis, it is surely healthy for people to be curious of occurences that look odd especially in today's climate and broadcast of constant negative news, when you hear things of spraying chemicals to test situations of biological attack and all of the industrialisation of food, its certainly a good thing that people are alert but yes it is easy to be trigger happy with accusations about technology, the thing our society has proped itself with to claim its heightened advancement when infact less than 1% of the population actually understand this to a level or creating it from rocks and other materials, so its quite simple to conclude that currently human beings are certainly not as intellgent as they have been, buttons are the simplest form of manipulation.

we can conclude that if planes appear to produce or induce forming of clouds or trails that its hard to know what could be in such a trail as surely it wouldnt be difficult to disguise in something as a cloud which is how surely alot of chemical dispersants would most likely appear?

and mentioning cars exhausts i think people would be rather reluctant of a car that's fumes did not disapate, much like some trails do and others don't

[edit on 19-7-2010 by steven barnes]

Of course its real, I remember reading not too long back (within the last 1 1/2 years) about how in Russia they were developing such technology to help with snow storms around capital cities and other bit metropolitan areas. It would create a "buffer" around the city that would keep the snow from piling up and stopping daily life in the cities. I remember the article saying the side-effects were still being figured out if any, but yea, very real technology nonetheless.


-Sliadon

Originally posted by steven barnes


and mentioning cars exhausts i think people would be rather reluctant of a car that's fumes did not disapate, much like some trails do and others don't

[edit on 19-7-2010 by steven barnes]

Okay, so how can you say that car fumes dissipate, but that aircraft do not?

What fallacy you are using, is that because you do not see car exhaust, therefore you do not worry about it or consider it. Even though you are exposed to far far more car exhaust when you are driving on the road, that you will ever be exposed to anything from aircraft.

But, because you do not visibly see car exhaust, and in some conditions, an aircraft contrail can be quite prominent, you are more concerned about an aircraft contrail, even though it could be many miles away. But sometimes because the water present in an aircraft exhaust can freeze and become cirrus, it is extremely visible and can be seen for a very long ways.

I can not even count the number of times on chemtrail websites that people have saw a contrail overhead, then almost immediately thought they had headaches,etc, when in reality, that contrail is several miles overhead, and is getting blown downwind pretty fast and if there was anything in it, it would be quite far away if it came down.

They is the same amount of air traffic on cloudy days, but they just dont see those planes.





[edit on 19-7-2010 by firepilot]

i totally understand what you're saying, nor am i ignoring it, im mearly making points that we should not just blindly throw away, we are visual creatures, it matters to us what we see, if we see things that LOOK like chemicals there quite a large chance you'll think it is and yes there is alot of logic behind the statements but saying some words isn't enough to convince people anymore when we see things that in some circumstance can be fatal and in others aren't at all and alot of people are informed via a box that within it all things are for profitable reasoning it isnt difficult to see that many atrocities have occured for peices of paper, i mean america used human beings as there monatary resource until its abolition or transformation you could say, we were an egg that turned into a heart that formed into this, theres alot more crazy things that are existant than trying to figure out if planes could be spraying chemicals in dangerous qualities or quantities.

Lurker Here......


"The success achieved by Chinese meteorologists during the Olympics and now during the 60th National Day Parade underlines the importance the Chinese state is paying to artificial weather manipulation. Chinese sources indicate that more than 37,000 people are currently employed in weather modification activities nationwide. China has full-fledged weather modification units located in more than 30 provinces and municipalities. Some 30 aircraft have been modified to undertake various weather modification experiments. Approximately 7,000 anti-aircraft guns and 5,000 special rocket launchers are at the service of Chinese meteorologists. In order to have the world’s largest artificial weather modification programme, China invests US $63 million a year.

Such investments could allow China to maintain a weather of its own choice to a certain extent. Despite the limitations of the science of cloud seeding in creating artificial rainfall or in stopping rainfall, it appears that the Chinese are trying their best to master this art. Further success in this field will have significant relevance to Chinese agriculture. Moreover, weather modification has a military side to it as well."

CHINAS WEATHER MANIPULATION

If China is currently spending 63 Mil a year,wonder what the US is spending?
Regardless if you can see it,or not,man is really screwing with this planet in ways the God's only wished they could.

Back to Lurking......

reply to post by sonnny1

The US government isn't spending much. The FAA has had a few contracts for fog busting at airports but thats about it.

I especially like this part from that article.

Approximately 7,000 anti-aircraft guns and 5,000 special rocket launchers are at the service of Chinese meteorologists.

The Chinese invented fireworks and they're still using them. Happy New Year!

I always thought they was doing something like this. Its all apart of the plan

AMEN BROTHER! I am sick and tired of all these people trying to argue against facts! They just get off on trying to go against the current! What the heck is wrong with your common sense? Stop wasting your time and accept real journalism, real research, god man, just get over yourself. Wake up! Chemtrails are real, they admit it helps weather modification, its real its happening now.

wake up.

[edit on 19-7-2010 by drkid]

For your consideration - Project Cloverleaf
www.youtube.com...

Well, Iodine is good for you, but illegal to buy, and people try to breathe silver til it turns them blue, to kill germs. If they were trying to spray garlic it might be healthy, but bad for the plants.
You really think they're trying to modify the weather? to make it better? and not more destructive. If they can control the weather then they must really hate us.

Phage you can show your memphis belle youtube clip all you like, we do NOT get to see how long these trails last or what happens.

Please explain how me and EVERYONE i know and talk to in my area never saw these trails form EVER, and even recall watching the skies with real normal contrails that would ALWAYS dissipate rapidly in the past , i completely recall the day i first saw one, it was sunny and supposed to be clear for the next 10 days, hot as hell then suddenly the sun faded, we looked up and to our amazement was a "contrail" a cloud formation unlike any all 39 of us in the park had never seen before, we all stared at it in amazement and this was 1999.

Even if you are correct that these form naturally from NATURAL engines lol...

Please give a take on how i never saw them in 20 years till that day, being an avid weather watcher, to the point of fanaticism...

What has changed in these engines that they cause these "Contrails" to last so much longer, or why in hell did i not see them till that day, not the day before or any other days in the parks, and suddenly now they are regular, and super long lasting, strangely colored, and why the hell can i not see the stars at night.

I call total BS on everything you say, for a simple fact , they DID NOT appear before, THEY DO now,, i cannot see the stars NOW...and i cannot find a single person in a city of 4 million plus that recalls seeing them even in mid 1990's.

None of your science presentations can change the fact that i watched the skies day and night since i was 5 and then suddenly these things appeared, i will never forget the shock i felt as i tried to understand what was happening....

Either you are totally full of it, or something on these planes changed around that time causing these insane clouds to form , cause it just didnt happen like this before !

reply to post by m khan

Like most chemicals, a little is necessary but a lot is bad.
You can buy more than enough iodine to keep you healthy.
salt

But if you want to buy enough to poison someone you can do that too...
on second thought...I won't post the link.




[edit on 7/19/2010 by Phage]

reply to post by GrinchNoMore

All I can say is...your perceptions are wrong or maybe you have more air traffic in your area. Persitent contrails have been noticed and studied for a long time.

From 1919:

The second German sighting occurred on May 9, 1919, when a pilot flying over Berlin at about 26,000 feet noticed the generation of a cloud stream that extended for about forty miles behind his plane. This stream eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick. The pilot saw a similar phenomenon two days later.

www.accessmylibrary.com...

From 1940:

A few months later I witnessed the Battle of Britain taking place over my head in the July, August and September 1940. Being in SE London we had a grandstand view of the titanic struggle going on day aftr day with the intricate patterns of the contrails the most evident witness to the dog fights taking place.

www.bbc.co.uk... Short contrails do not produce intricate patterns.

1944:

So an airplane at great heights leaves behind it, stretching for endless miles, a visible "wake" composed of ice particles so tiny that they do not fall as snow but remain suspended in the air.

Source

From 1947:

Photo taken by Jerry Cole, combat aerialphotographer in the 390th Bomb Group at Framlingham Air Base in England. He is looking for a print from the original negative he shot around January 1944 or before. It shows contrails of P-47's crossing each other in the background and a B-17 in the foreground.

scoutbird.tripod.com...


From 1970:

The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.

journals.ametsoc.org...

Henry Wadsworth Hinkle, hired man down on the farm with Uncle Clarence and Aunt Martha, looked skyward a few days ago and was awed by the multiplicity of "vapor trails," as he called them. That's the old name. Now they are called contrails-short for condensation trails-resulting from the condensation of heat flowing from high-flying jet engines.

Source

A 43-year-old novice sailor said today that he followed jet contrails over the Atlantic to help him navigate after his sextant was smashed six days out of Pymouth, England.

Source He didn't follow jets, he followed contrails. You can't follow a short contrail.

1972:

Then there is the matter of cloudiness. The familiar contrails often left by high-flying planes might persist for a long time under some conditions.

Source


From 1973:

Often, after several clear days, high flying jets begin leaving condensation trails in the sky. These "contrails" are the result of the condensation of water vapor that accompanies engine combustion at high altitudes.

Source

He occasionally looked out the window at the earth and noted geographical locations. "We're coming over Europe and I've never seen so many jet plane contrails in my life," he reported

Source

Shore was no naïf; he recognized the irony of many of his images. One of the cleverest is "U.S. 97, South of Klamath Falls, Oregon, July 21, 1973," which depicts a desolate spot of road where a billboard displays a snowcapped-mountain scene — against actual mountains in the distance. The billboard image seems to emerge from the land itself. Along with a cattle gate and a sky with blown-out contrails, the billboard is a tired and shabby advertisement for America itself.

www.pitch.com... Contrails have to be around for a while to be "blown-out".

Originally posted by icepack
reply to post by Sri Oracle

 

you have to have evidence that these people do the spraying to deliberate harm people. otherwise you got to stop a great amount of research, which is criticizable in the world today.
again, i dont see the intention of those people is evil in any way.

It is evil, because they don't tell people.

I am curious as to what is being sprayed on us up here in the north country. And yes, it's making us sick. My family, my neighbors... it's not coincidence.

Last fall when the swine flu scare was in full swing, my husband and I stood outside in the front yard and watched a plane circling over head making purposeful circles over our tiny town while chemtrails was being dumped on us.

Two days later we were down sick, then the neighbors were ill...

I'd like a choice and a say over their "experiments' that they want to perform in my air.

Its true. Its real. 30 days before they could start the weather modification here they had to post a notice in our newspaper. I kept an eye on it after they posted the public notice to see if they started because they said you could open dispute in your county with the Austin office. Then I saw a website go up and sure enough they started posting pictures of their cloud seeding efforts. They dont even joke are seriously doing it. But last month was the first full month we had of weather modification and we had 6" more of rain that month than our rainiest month ever. It was great! Everything is so green and pretty.
West Texas Weather Modification Association Website

Originally posted by Point of No Return
reply to post by neformore

 

This was the OP's premise:

AERIAL CHEM DUMPING IS REAL !!!! 1/5th of TEXAS IS ROUTINELY SPRAYED with silver iodide by air plane.

350 replies where page after page people insist upon debunking chemtrails as a fantasy. Now, I don't know whether that specific "CLOSE-UP VIDEO" is of a plane dropping chemicals. What I do know is: that spraying our skies with SILVER IODIDE is VERY REAL!

You are the one that is trying to detract from that by linking it to those claims.

Not something you'd expect from a moderator, but since it is you, it's not that surprising.

[edit on 19-7-2010 by Point of No Return]

Good news Everyone !! It's been proven !

But what has been proven? Something nearly everyone knew, apparently.

Now for some more ground breaking news - THE SUN IS REALLY REALLY HOT!!

Take that you debunkers!!

..... Now you know what the OP posted, and you very well know what the intent was for posting it. Can't have your chemtrail and breath it ya know...

This is so ridiculous - sorry it really is. Cloud seeding has been going on in every country on earth for decades - it is nothing new, nothing special, no conspiracy - it is cloud seeding and really, really normal.

The videos in the thread you presented were not cloud seeding

Please - there is no conspiracy about cloud seeding - it is as normal a practice as sowing fertiliser in your crops. Seriously.

Hello ATS, I have been doing some research regarding the primary cloud seeding agent 'Silver Iodide'... My first stop was on Wikipedia;

en.wikipedia.org...

I found - 'Under the guidelines of the Clean Water Act by the EPA, silver iodide is considered a hazardous substance, a priority pollutant, and as a toxic pollutant.

Chronic Exposure/Target Organs: Chronic ingestion of iodides may produce “iodism”, which may be manifested by skin rash, running nose, headache and irritation of the mucous membranes. Weakness, anemia, loss of weight and general depression may also occur. Chronic inhalation or ingestion may cause argyria characterized by blue-gray discoloration of the eyes, skin and mucous membranes. Chronic skin contact may cause permanent discoloration of the skin.'

So this led me to investigate matters on the EPA's website (what a fiasco that is) I can not find that same quote used on Wikipedia, but what I did find, were the results of many studies on fish with Silver Iodide, and it is documented that it causes a higher mortality rate. However, it is around 3-5% increased chances for death. This is not considered 'BAD' I guess by their standards... They also admit that higher levels of silver iodide in water are found in cloud-seeded areas. (Big shock) See -

www.nature.nps.gov...

- page 31 -

I encourage everyone to please check out the EPA website, you would think vital information that they have would be somewhat easy to navigate?? www.epa.gov

Sri Oracle; excellent post! As you clearly demonstrated; this does happen. Now I hope someone with true knowledge of the effects of these chemicals used, can prove or debunk the dangers. I honestly believe it is hazardous to us, but like in the fish, it only marginally increases our mortality by a percentage... Just like vaccines, food additives, and many other things you will find out about here on ATS... when you look at the big picture, all these incremental percentages, start to really add up, and you see how perhaps it is part of population control. If chem-trails killed 50% of the people, it wouldn't take long for people to figure it out. When you keep the percentages low, it's easier to sneak under the radar, while remaining effective. I'm not 100% sure about anything, but you have to admit, there is some serious credence to these possibilities.