Get Your Permit: Silver Iodide Weather Modification is REAL

saying words like psudo and woowoo about my words is infact the very thing you're trying to say im committing, all's i have done is asked questions and points of view that im sure many people have and would see and because these questions are quite difficult to address you will then say im spreading ideas that are untrue, fictional and BS. Ideas, questions can only be derived from reality and there is certainly nothing whacky about the things im stating at all surely its more crazy to just assume that its fine to spray chemicals in the air and play around with the weather just because we have a few hundered years of considered scientific knowledge and in the last 100 years have altered so much than we have done in the other 1900 years so we think we have the know how, when its been prooven time and time again that medicines, machines, infact anything we produce we find that it has harmful reactions many years later after its been very much widely spread under the impression its "safe".

i mean think about this if something is occuring that people don't really know about and is apparently quite low scale then who's really going to be putting the research into to firstly find how harmful it is and secondly what they are going to gain by doing that? Alot of chemical research is conducted by private organisations to GAIN and continue the stability of the organisation. The only way this could be uncovered to be unsafe is if someone did research the effects of it because this is the only thing that will convince anyone but again why would organisations put effort into doing this and then to say its bad, nobody will be found accountable because they can exclaim they didnt know it was unsafe because SCIENCE AT THE TIME SAID IT WAS CONSIDERED SAFE.









[edit on 20-7-2010 by steven barnes]

reply to post by firepilot


I hope someone has busted you out by now, you are not ignorant, or incapable of reading, you are however a stooge. Your tactics are 100% related to disinformation and misrepresentation of facts, you skipped white and grey phase and went straight to black. Not a very good disinfo agent they must have found you on the side of a farm in india stealing american's identities and decided they could teach you basic english and trained you in minor psyops (based upon your incomplete vocabulary that is the most probably conjecture I can make as to your beginning).

There is no use trying to argue this point to me there is no amount of trickery that could bennifit your lies and deceipt in my eyes, I wrote the training exorcises for the 4th PsyOps group for over 6 years... try your # somewhere else please it just makes you look like an ignit.

Originally posted by Aziroth
I hope someone has busted you out by now, you are not ignorant, or incapable of reading, you are however a stooge. Your tactics are 100% related to disinformation and misrepresentation of facts, you skipped white and grey phase and went straight to black. Not a very good disinfo agent they must have found you on the side of a farm in india stealing american's identities and decided they could teach you basic english and trained you in minor psyops (based upon your incomplete vocabulary that is the most probably conjecture I can make as to your beginning).

There is no use trying to argue this point to me there is no amount of trickery that could bennifit your lies and deceipt in my eyes, I wrote the training exorcises for the 4th PsyOps group for over 6 years... try your # somewhere else please it just makes you look like an ignit.

Ad Hominem. Please, the subject... not the speaker.

paradigm =

# Person A makes claim X.
# Person B makes an attack on person A.
# Therefore A's claim is false.

...doesn't get us anywhere and is anti ATS T&C.

thanks,

Sri Oracle

Originally posted by DJW001

Sorry, that was not directed at you personally. Judging from your other posts, you do. The rhetoric is aimed at the people who can't go out on a nice day without freaking out because they think that all the jetliners at 30,000 feet are spraying them.

Ok cool.

Yeah that is pretty messed up. And Illogical of them.

If it was really that way, it would get into their air vent system and into their house anyways.

No way to stop it.

Just live life and don't fear things you can't change or affect. That's my motto

The evolution of the chemtrail debates...

First, the chemtrail debunkers, hereinafter called simply "dis", were universal in their statements that NOTHING was being sprayed overhead. In other words, none offered up the statement, "well, there IS some massive spraying going on, it is weather modification, and they have been doing it all over and for quite a while now."
No "dis" pilots or weathermen or resident geniuses took the time to ENLIGHTEN us.
Now that we know we ARE in fact being sprayed, we are witnessing a CALCULATED retreat of the dis, but from ONLY what is NOW too evident. Can't deny the obvious, so they don't admit defeat (NEVER, this is WAR), just give up a little ground and continue the assault.

So I ask the "dis", this. What is being sprayed, where exactly is it being sprayed, how much is being sprayed, and by whom? You DO know the answers don't you? "Nothing" is being sprayed doesn't work anymore.

Originally posted by Stewie
The evolution of the chemtrail debates...

First, the chemtrail debunkers, hereinafter called simply "dis", were universal in their statements that NOTHING was being sprayed overhead. In other words, none offered up the statement, "well, there IS some massive spraying going on, it is weather modification, and they have been doing it all over and for quite a while now."
No "dis" pilots or weathermen or resident geniuses took the time to ENLIGHTEN us.
Now that we know we ARE in fact being sprayed, we are witnessing a CALCULATED retreat of the dis, but from ONLY what is NOW too evident. Can't deny the obvious, so they don't admit defeat (NEVER, this is WAR), just give up a little ground and continue the assault.

So I ask the "dis", this. What is being sprayed, where exactly is it being sprayed, how much is being sprayed, and by whom? You DO know the answers don't you? "Nothing" is being sprayed doesn't work anymore.

That is exactly how I remember everything too.

They were all 100% hard core that nothing was being sprayed anywhere in any context.

And guess what?

That isn't how it works today.

I wonder what they will be admitting to us in a year from now?

Ohhh I can't wait to find out

I just feel it in my bones. There is WAY more to all of this to come out and we have not seen 'nothin' yet!

Tip of the Iceberg.

reply to post by muzzleflash

The truth will only come out by raising awareness. I don't pretend to know the truth, but I will keep looking for it.
We ought to call ourselves the SEA Party, Sprayed Enough Already. Then, people that have their heads in the sand may just ask "sprayed enough, what"?
And maybe begin to look UP.

Originally posted by Stewie
The evolution of the chemtrail debates...

First, the chemtrail debunkers, hereinafter called simply "dis", were universal in their statements that NOTHING was being sprayed overhead. In other words, none offered up the statement, "well, there IS some massive spraying going on, it is weather modification, and they have been doing it all over and for quite a while now."
No "dis" pilots or weathermen or resident geniuses took the time to ENLIGHTEN us.
Now that we know we ARE in fact being sprayed, we are witnessing a CALCULATED retreat of the dis, but from ONLY what is NOW too evident. Can't deny the obvious, so they don't admit defeat (NEVER, this is WAR), just give up a little ground and continue the assault.

So I ask the "dis", this. What is being sprayed, where exactly is it being sprayed, how much is being sprayed, and by whom? You DO know the answers don't you? "Nothing" is being sprayed doesn't work anymore.

Please provide a link that supports your statement. People have tried to explain, over and over and over again that the white lines in the sky are water vapor, not "chemtrails." They are not spraying anything out of commercial jetliners. Further, no-one has ever claimed that there is no such thing as cloud seeding, crop dusting, skywriting or chaff. Cite one instance where anyone has ever claimed that these things aren't happening. The confusion is all in your mind because you conflate all these things together.

reply to post by Stewie

Yeah...this is sort of why I took the direction I took in the other thread. They come in and say the same thing about contrails every time...you can predict it by the book almost...the contrails from WWI or is it WWII, the discussion about altitude, the discussion about clouds. And they think that because they are pilots and weathermen and know a few things that are pretty much obvious to everyone in this debate anyway, they know it all and then lead the discussion where they want it. Shutting down even any speculation or formation of some thought on the subject with ridicule. That's pretty desperate.

What's more interesting to me in watching the evolution of this "debate" is that exact denial that anything is up there and the quashing of speculation and the tenaciousness of the "debunkers."

Lots of stuff is up there. And most people here know that we are NOT privy to the details of experiments that are most likely going on...by NASA, the government, the military, NGOs, private corporations, you name it. The icing on the cake in the last few days of discussion though were the Pipers and Cesnas...innocuous little planes. Yeah right.

Like I always say...time will tell.



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reply to post by DJW001

Wouldn't it be easier for YOU to provide a link, seeing as how YOU are trying to convince ME of something? Like, link all of those "dis" that were trying to tell us that there IS some massive spraying, but it is nothing to worry about.
I really don't care what you believe, and the only reason I don't is because I consider you a roadblock to the truth. It is YOU that pretend to know that ALL white trails that anyone has ever reported are simply contrails.
Frankly, I will never buy it, so give it up. Fall back. Try the left flank.

Reply to post by Point of No Return

All I'm getting from this thread is that you and sri oracle are sleeping together. I have little knowledge on the whole chemtrail thing, but I have read a few threads on it and the evidence is stupid and fabricated/delusional just like everything else here. I have known about weather modification for awhile now and the military's experiments with it in alaska and I say so what?... Its obvious that you guys are trying to quietly use this as evidence of chemtrails and that fact that you don't want to admit it can be seen with all the rules set in the op.

My mind can be easily persuaded on a subject if their is hard evidence. Their is absolutely nothing here...weather modification is not some huge conspiracy cover up. The facts are out their for the publics viewing at will. Why is this on the front page still?


Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com

Kinda hard to get hard evidence for either side of this debate, don't you think? Most of us can't easily get up in the sky or access to the things we'd need access too. I still call it a draw.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by DJW001

 

Wouldn't it be easier for YOU to provide a link, seeing as how YOU are trying to convince ME of something? Like, link all of those "dis" that were trying to tell us that there IS some massive spraying, but it is nothing to worry about.
I really don't care what you believe, and the only reason I don't is because I consider you a roadblock to the truth. It is YOU that pretend to know that ALL white trails that anyone has ever reported are simply contrails.
Frankly, I will never buy it, so give it up. Fall back. Try the left flank.

reply to post by 11118


It's chaff.

As he says, used by the military and does in fact show up on doplar radar.

Tell me, when you see your 'chemtrails' are they so big they cover 5 states?

www.crh.noaa.gov...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Cloud seeding finally proven effective

Cloud seeding has been carried out for decades with varying results but has never been proven to actually work...until now:

Assoc. Prof. Steve Siems
In the United States they invested heavily and it’s always been pretty unsuccessful – here in Australia it was invested quite heavily and very, very spotty results to be shown for it so I mean there’s a huge amount of scepticism in the field and some of its well warranted.


David Marshall
It does stretch credibility a bit to think that going up there with the cloud and throwing out a very small amount of chemical – grams really – that can have an affect over a wide area.

Narration
But, this cloud seeding programme has changed things. Run by Hydro Tasmania, it’s been going for four decades, despite the scepticism. And recently some Monash meteorologists analysed all their data.

Assoc. Prof. Steve Siems
We went back through the records, we looked at all the rain gauge data over the last 46 years and we saw when they were seeding and when they weren’t seeding and we found a signal we found a statistically significant signal.

Narration
Finally the world had the much sort after hard evidence that cloud seeding can produce a significant amount of extra rain.


But there is a catch, could seeding will only work in specific areas where the clouds are super cooled, such as the clouds that come up from the antarctic:

Narration
But it turns out cloud seeding won’t work everywhere.

Narration
The reason it works in Tasmania is because of this cold, but very influential, part of the world.

Assoc. Prof. Steve Siems
The Southern Ocean is huge, its 15 percent of the earth’s surface. In the winter it’s going to be the windiest spot in the world. The clouds over the Southern Ocean are very, very peculiar. They don’t want to freeze. I mean they’re super cooled, you get them and minus 10 minus 15 degrees and there are still a large portion of the clouds that are just liquid. That’s quite a bit of a surprise to us.


Narration
As the Southern Ocean air rolls in over southeast of Australia, it encounters mountains - and in just a few places the right conditions for cloud seeding form.

Assoc. Prof. Steve Siems
What the satellite imagery is showing is really there are three spots in Australia where you could do this kind of cloud seeding.

Narration
There are the already-seeded Tasmania and Snowies. But the third spot is not seeded yet.

Assoc. Prof. Steve Siems
It would be in the catchment area the Thompson. That would be the ideal location for this.


Narration
In other words the catchment area for drought-affected Melbourne. With the drought in Victoria now in its 13th year any extra water would be very welcome.


Assoc. Prof. Steve Siems
In Tasmania it looks like there getting about 12.5 gigalitres of water a month there getting a 5 percent increase over a target of about 25 hundred square kilometres. If you could do that in Melbourne I think you’d help a lot of people during this big dry.


The video hasn't been uploaded yet but I will link to it when it does, it's worth a watch, especially for those unsure of what cloud seeding is all about.

www.abc.net.au...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I could go on, but you've made it clear that you're deliberately not paying attention! That, my friend, is the first obstacle to understanding the truth.

Just because those instances are chaff or water vapor or fuel exhaust doesn't mean all instances are. Still a draw.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Just because those instances are chaff or water vapor or fuel exhaust doesn't mean all instances are. Still a draw.

The burden of proof is on the "chemtrail" believers. They must produce documents, chemical analysis, etc. Not just photos of condensation trails and hysterical rhetoric. In any event, this is off topic. Does cloud seeding happen? Yes! What's more, as the above quote from Chadwickus shows, not only has no-one ever denied it, some people advertise the fact. No-one is responsible for their ignorance of the topic but themselves. Were they too busy cooking up "false flag" or "disclosure" theories about the Beijing Olympics to actually read mainstream news accounts about the preparations?

How is chaff even in this thread?

Chaff is a bunch of metallic reflective objects that confuse radars.

What does it have to do with this topic? I really want to know.

Are you saying Chaff causes weather modification? Because I disagree, it does not cause any differences to the weather.

For example in WW2, I heard they would use bubble gum wrappers (foil ones) as chaff and it worked great.


Wait I take it all back, your right.

Chaff is weather modification.

It makes it rain aluminum foil - that's kind of like weather. . In a very limited and brief manner. Sorta.

Originally posted by badw0lf

He knew it was about giving credibility to the conspiracy for this evil plan to kill us all via pouring toxins into the atmosphere. But claims he had no intention to.

That is just one of the dozen theories attributed to "chem trails" on ATS.

There are other theories.

Some people think it's for rebuilding the ozone layer or something.

Some people think it's poison to hurt people. (I never liked this theory because I am not dying nor is anyone I know from poisoning).

Some people think it's weather modification.

Others may think it's a type of aspect of a advanced missile defense shield.

There are many other theories as well.

Hell you can even mix and match them.

So your statement falls flat on it's face because you keep limiting your debate to one extremely narrow aspect of the large umbrella topic.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
That is exactly how I remember everything too.

They were all 100% hard core that nothing was being sprayed anywhere in any context.

Is that another baseless claim? I think it is.

Oh look...heres my debate on chemtrails from March 09

There will be planes flying somewhere in the world dusting crops. There will be water bombers putting out forest fires. There will be aircraft seeding clouds. There may be some limited military testing going on, but as I said in my previous post, those things most certainly do not fall under the bracket of "chemtrails" in the everyday sense.

Heres Phage discussing weather modification last year

Here's Weedwhacker from last year

Would you like to retract your claim?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
What is up with calling people "chemmies"?

That is unfair ridicule.

Why would they start name calling to ridicule ?

What is the purpose of ridicule in the context of conspiracy theories?

To make a theory look foolish, and to unfairly attack the credibility of someone indirectly.

So why do you keep calling people "chemmies"?

Can we stop the name calling please it's so immature. GROW UP!!!

Another OFF-TOPIC post left on-board.

What has this post got to do with the topic? Mine to YOU on topic as per your reply, is canned, and yet here you are.

Interesting,,,