Get Your Permit: Silver Iodide Weather Modification is REAL

"deliberate introduction into clouds of various substances that act as condensation nuclei or ice nuclei in an attempt to induce precipitation. The first experiments with cloud seeding were conducted in 1946; since then seeding has been performed from aircraft, rockets, cannons, and ground generators. "

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if you remember silver is known to be one of the best anti biotics in nature, so maybe they're doing us a favour and cleaning up all the bacteria?

How do you explain why these trails do not dissipate? Why do they spread into hazy, fake clouds you can see rainbow colors through from the metals and chemicals they contain? Why are there jets leaving long trails that remain for an hour and are at the same altitude as others that only leave a contrails that quickly vanish? Why the grid patterns?

I've seen stuff here in North Texas that came out of the sky that was similar to spider webs or fine cotton candy. it was clinging to utility poles, power lines, and trees, and was totally bizarre. It was shrugged off on the local news as a type of spider that sails on it's own web. This was no spider web and there was way too much of it coming down. I saved a bit of it in a film case and checked it a few hours later and it was completely gone, no trace left. Spider webs don't disappear like that as far as i know.

I don't understand the OP's post.

Basically, I don't think there was EVER a debate about "cloud seeding" being used to effect local weather. Silver Iodide is nothing that is top secret. Neither are these other compounds put into clouds.

They've been used for decades.

The debate is about "chem trails" where people think almost every cloudy line created by an airplane is some mass spraying program, or that people think that weather is being manipulated by microwaves in the troposphere --- which I think is likely but would require a lot of energy and effort, and I don't think it's from some antennae array in Alaska.

So it's not PROVING the controversy because it's not really related at all to what is in dispute.

MOST of the bad things that happen, appear to me to just be "disaster capitalism" where corporatists use a disaster to enact changes that benefit them and hurt the people in the area.

Yes, they are real.

Whether it is silver iodide or not, I dunno.

What's even more real is the fact that there is a definite agenda put forth by certain and specific "elite" members and mods, to ridicule the members who firmly believe them to be a real phenomenon, and an agenda to limit information on chemtrails.

For instance, why does every thread about them get moved to skunkworks?

I find this scary, and sad.

What's the deal mods?

Originally posted by TexasTea
How do you explain why these trails do not dissipate? Why do they spread into hazy, fake clouds you can see rainbow colors through from the metals and chemicals they contain? Why are there jets leaving long trails that remain for an hour and are at the same altitude as others that only leave a contrails that quickly vanish? Why the grid patterns?

I've seen stuff here in North Texas that came out of the sky that was similar to spider webs or fine cotton candy. it was clinging to utility poles, power lines, and trees, and was totally bizarre. It was shrugged off on the local news as a type of spider that sails on it's own web. This was no spider web and there was way too much of it coming down. I saved a bit of it in a film case and checked it a few hours later and it was completely gone, no trace left. Spider webs don't disappear like that as far as i know.

Because when ANY jet moves through the upper atmosphere, it is heating and compressing the air -- that means that moisture is going to be warmer and heavier and then expand outward from behind the plane. This causes the water to re-freeze but as a larger precipitate (ice crystal).

So, without much air movement in that area of sky -- those ice crystals can last a day or two. The "RAINBOW" effect is there any time you have something like water, ice or anything crystalline and transparent bending light rays. White light is separated much as it is in a prism. Now, if there is a particle that absorbs some wavelengths and NOT others -- then it removes color and you get things like RED and ORANGE hues, like you do with a sunset over a polluted city.

A rainbow spectrum, is a good indication it is just water vapor, because metals or other gases like Methane are going to skew the spectral halo.
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>> OH, had to add this; there is a Spider in the Arizona/Texas region that makes HUGE trailing spider webs -- can't think of it's name offhand. But they've had absolutely massive web displays of these spiders and they don't conform to the normal pattern.

Baby spiders have been found in the troposphere and cruising high atmosphere currents and can get to almost any region on the planet.

So you would need to get a sample and test for some proteins in spider silk BEFORE you could rule out the spider-web theory. Just remember that sulphur or soot can coat and color the web -- so POLLUTION can also be effecting how ghastly these spider webs may seem.

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So, the government is spraying silver iodide int othe air. FACT

Silver iodide is a known toxic substance. FACT

Silver iodide is a microbial, fungicide and herbicide. FACT

Silver iodide is water soluble, and can therefore go into water supplies. FACT

Although the official websites state that the silver iodide spraying iis below accepted levels (note they don't say it is SAFE, nor do they state that it is a known TOXIC substance), some anallysts believe this is untrue, and based on flawed tests.

See article by Johnny Micou: Is Cloud Seeding Safe?

www.ranches.org...


Now think about the bees.









[edit on 19-7-2010 by wcitizen]

reply to post by steven barnes


Have you READ the posts on this thread? Silver in certain forms is beneficial.

Silver iodide is a registered TOXIC SUBSTENCE. Repeat, silver iodide is a registered toxic substance.

Originally posted by TexasTea
How do you explain why these trails do not dissipate?

Its called saturation. The end product of the burning of fuel (hydrocarbons) is water vapour and dust. The introduction of water vapour into a super cooled environment, like the temperatures found at a great height, sublimates the water vapour directly into ice. Depedning on the amount of water already in the environment and the temperature, the ice may or may not hang around. If its moist enough, or cold enough, then the ice will stay, being visible as cloud. Generally as a rule within the meteorology world, we refer to contrails that last more than half an hour as cirrus cloud (which is a natural cloud, consisiting of ice)

Why do they spread into hazy, fake clouds you can see rainbow colors through from the metals and chemicals they contain?

The spread due to wind, as many natural clouds do

The rainbow colours are either halos, sundogs or iridescence. These are all caused by the sunlight refracted or diffracted off ice in the atmopshere

www.atoptics.co.uk...

www.atoptics.co.uk...

Why are there jets leaving long trails that remain for an hour and are at the same altitude as others that only leave a contrails that quickly vanish? Why the grid patterns?

Not every plane flies at the same height, to assume that you can accurately pin point an altitude of a jet is overly optimistic. Weather conditions may vary over mere metres in the atmopshere. Changing from 90% humidty at one level, to 30% within 100 metres. If you dont believe me I would be happy to provide you with data from my weather balloon to prove the point

The evidence to prove that spraying of silver iodide is happening is irrefutable.

Again, this is some strawman that you all make to tear down. Some of you act like its some big discovery, or that you are proven something. But hello, has anyone ever said that cloud seeding projects do not occur?

Who has ever refuted it? Its been in magazines, tv shows, and companies that hire themselves out for cloud seeding, ever make webpages about it. Its like some of you want to pat yourselfs on the back and feel good about something, so you pretend its some secret.

Cloud seeding projects have been attempted since the late 40s. No one is denying this, so quit trying to pretend there is so evil cabal trying to say otherwise.

Whats next? Announcing a huge discovery that summertime is often hot?

Originally posted by TexasTea
How do you explain why these trails do not dissipate? Why do they spread into hazy, fake clouds you can see rainbow colors through from the metals and chemicals they contain? Why are there jets leaving long trails that remain for an hour and are at the same altitude as others that only leave a contrails that quickly vanish? Why the grid patterns?

I've seen stuff here in North Texas that came out of the sky that was similar to spider webs or fine cotton candy. it was clinging to utility poles, power lines, and trees, and was totally bizarre. It was shrugged off on the local news as a type of spider that sails on it's own web. This was no spider web and there was way too much of it coming down. I saved a bit of it in a film case and checked it a few hours later and it was completely gone, no trace left. Spider webs don't disappear like that as far as i know.

I think this may be why:

www.osti.gov...

"Abstract It has been suggested that large-scale climate changes, mostly due to atmospheric injection of greenhouse gases connected with fossil-fired energy production, should be forestalled by internationally-agreed reductions in, e.g., electricity generation. The potential economic impacts of such limitations are obviously large: greater than or equal to $10[sup 11]/year. We propose that for far smaller - less than 1% - the mean thermal effects of greenhouse gases may be obviated in any of several distinct ways, some of them novel. These suggestions are all based on scatterers that prevent a small fraction of solar radiation from reaching all or part of the Earth. We propose research directed to quite near-term realization of one or more of these inexpensive approaches to cancel the effects of the greenhouse gas injection. While the magnitude of the climatic impact of greenhouse gases is currently uncertain, the prospect of severe failure of the climate, for instance at the onset of the next Ice Age, is undeniable. The proposals in this paper may lead to quite practical methods to reduce or eliminate all climate failures."

Originally posted by Urantia1111
...and if the intention WERE something a bit more sinister along the lines of intentional sickening of a population...they would say so??? as far as any of us know, "weather modification" is the "swamp gas" of this highly debated topic. theyve gotta 'splain it somehow...people do look up in the sky from time to time. granted theres no way for us regular earthbound folks to know unequivocally what is really going on up there.

Then why dont you go visit one of those rural water districts, and ask one of those commissioners, who is probably a farmer, why he is trying to kill everyone with his huge spray program.

Or you can go ask him where his secret chemtrail airforce is

Leaked video of evil weather modifier in action:

if jets are heating the air from behind shouldn't that melt the ice crystals or maybe when the sun shines on clouds does this not melt them, yet when ive seen aircraft emitting controlled bursts of something its usually infront of the sun, are the bursts controlled because of engine use, i'd presume the engines are running constantly on a jet. So explaining the use of the engine causing heated upper moisture to be produced behind the aircraft would surely cause a constant trail? And if this is because of the engine use being used in bursts instead of some spraying mechanism, how do these clouds seem to "grow" but this is obviously because they are falling lower and lower which makes them appear to get larger and larger, is this water heavier than usual? HEAT RISES

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Wow I live in texas, I know chemtrails are real but man I didn't know they were sponored by the state or let alone a source of renewable annual income.Wow.....

I hope this settles the debate over chem-trails as well. Regardless of what is being sprayed across America it is crystal-clear that it is being done.

Originally posted by steven barnes
if jets are heating the air from behind shouldn't that melt the ice crystals or maybe when the sun shines on clouds does this not melt them,

What?

No, the air behind the jet engine is warm for only a microsecond. You cant melt an entire saturated environemtn of ice crystals by flying a jet engine through it. Simple chemistry.

And, the sun does not melt the ice crystlas at that height, if that were true, then three cloud types we report in observations (cirrus, cirrostratus and cirrocumulus) would never have even existed. The temperature up there is well below freezing point, and again I can prove that with my own weather balloon data if you want evidence of that.

yet when ive seen aircraft emitting controlled bursts of something its usually infront of the sun, are the bursts controlled because of engine use, i'd presume the engines are running constantly on a jet. So explaining the use of the engine causing heated upper moisture to be produced behind the aircraft would surely cause a constant trail?

Not necessarily. You know warm air rises right? You that the atmopshere is not completely a constant right?

As I explained beofre, the temperature and humidity levels are can be completely different, and can there can be quite a difference within mere metres.

And if this is because of the engine use being used in bursts instead of some spraying mechanism, how do these clouds seem to "grow" but this is obviously because they are falling lower and lower which makes them appear to get larger and larger, is this water heavier than usual?

No thats incorrect, I suggest you actually research how clouds actually grww, and work, and learn some basic meteorology, because at the moment you are way off.

Cloud growth does not indicate that clouds are "falling", in fact clouds dont fall unless convective heating from the surface stops, or they are falling as virga. At that height convection is not a factor and virga would appear as streakes falling from the cloud. Upper level winds and supersaturation (you need to research that too) are responsible for growth at the that height

Originally posted by firepilot

The evidence to prove that spraying of silver iodide is happening is irrefutable.

Again, this is some strawman that you all make to tear down. Some of you act like its some big discovery, or that you are proven something. But hello, has anyone ever said that cloud seeding projects do not occur?

Who has ever refuted it? Its been in magazines, tv shows, and companies that hire themselves out for cloud seeding, ever make webpages about it. Its like some of you want to pat yourselfs on the back and feel good about something, so you pretend its some secret.

Cloud seeding projects have been attempted since the late 40s. No one is denying this, so quit trying to pretend there is so evil cabal trying to say otherwise.

Whats next? Announcing a huge discovery that summertime is often hot?

no, they beat us to it with global warming
I mean climate change.
eh, or is that a mini ice age...where are we in this script, I forgot

[edit on 19-7-2010 by manna2]

reply to post by OzWeatherman


Thanks for the weather information,

How about the grid patterns of these trails and sprayers observed and photographed by so many?

Originally posted by TexasTea
reply to post by OzWeatherman

 

Thanks for the weather information,

How about the grid patterns of these trails and sprayers observed and photographed by so many?

A pilot is probably more qualified to explain about the grid patterns, as its more to do wth aircraft holding patterns rather than meteorology. I have provided upper air weather on the rsearch thread in my signature, where someone observed a grid pattern. The upper air weather did reflect the conditions right for contrail persistence at the time

reply to post by TexasTea

Planes fly north and south and east and west (and a few other directions) when their paths cross you get "grids". Have a look at this:
www.aaronkoblin.com...

You'll have to zoom it in some.


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