Get Your Permit: Silver Iodide Weather Modification is REAL

Originally posted by Phage
Leaked video of evil weather modifier in action

I think I know what airport that is based out of, but I will not mention since I could just see a chemmie going there with a gun, convinced he is going to shoot down some UN NWO chemplane and prove everything.

That Piper Comanche that people would accuse of being a chemtrail plane, well it weight less than most peoples cars.

Cloud seeding in thunderstorms can be a bit hairy at times. Its not for the faint of heart, and from when I did it, i can say that I had lightning strikes on the airplane, severe turbulence, and hail damage.

Oh did I just admit I have flown cloud seeding projects in thunderstorms. Yep, I sure did. Its how I know exactly what I am talking about when it comes to this and why I found some of the postings here so laughable and devoid of anything but conspiracy talk.

Dad-gum FRAVA you still at it. Give me your boss's phone number. I will call him and get you some time out of that basement.

Originally posted by TexasTea
reply to post by OzWeatherman

 

Thanks for the weather information,

How about the grid patterns of these trails and sprayers observed and photographed by so many?

Umm, do you expect that aircraft can only fly in one direction across the country?

You have aircraft flying all over, in each direction, often hundreds, even thousands of aircraft at a time. Do you really find it sinister if an aircraft is flying West, and then one flies through or over its path to the North, for example?

have you ever looked at an aircraft navigation chart? As a pilot, its just baffling to see how chemmies get scared over aircraft contrails that intersect. If we have another aircraft in the sky somewhere, are we supposed to deviate to the next state??

Are you also scared of your city street pattern, or interstate highways? They make a nice "grid" pattern too. And those cars are putting out far far far more pollution too and at ground level.

reply to post by Point of No Return

Really? Are we sure about the size of their planes? Scroll to the right side of this photo. So even this way back...





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reply to post by OzWeatherman


The clouds i speak of that fall, are the ones i see coming out of the back of various aircraft that appear much smaller than conventional aircraft or you could say passenger planes, so you're saying its normal that when i see a normal jet making a trail it disappears along with the jet at a similar rate, where as these other planes emit controlled bursts, as in it releases a trail and it does not disappear as does the "normal jet trails" and then they stop emitting and start again, this is normal? also these controlled emissions drop to the lower and lower until they are basically MASSIVE CLOUDS because it seems the emission is so high up the trail at first look very small.

also

"The American Chemical Society designated the discovery of helium in natural gas as a National Historic Chemical Landmark at The University of Kansas on April 15, 2000. The plaque commemorating the event reads:

Working in Bailey Hall on December 7, 1905, Hamilton P. Cady and David F. McFarland discovered significant amounts of helium in a natural gas sample from Dexter, Kansas. Cady and McFarland subsequently analyzed more than 40 other gas samples, showing that helium, previously thought to be rare on Earth but abundant in the Sun, was available in plentiful quantities from the Great Plains of the United States. Helium-filled blimps were vital to the United States in World War II, and helium is still considered a national strategic reserve material. Today, helium is used in airships and balloons, low-temperature research, arc welding, lasers, nuclear reactors, and magnetic resonance imaging."

"Cady's interest in chemistry began one day in 1888 when a neighbor dissolved a silver spoon in nitric acid and, after adding salt to the solution, obtained a precipitate of silver chloride. That, said the neighbor, was chemistry. From that moment, young Cady knew that he wanted to be a chemist."

Source

"Nitric acid is made by reacting nitrogen dioxide (NO2) with water.

3 NO2 + H2O → 2 HNO3 + NO

Normally, the nitric oxide produced by the reaction is reoxidized by the oxygen in air to produce additional nitrogen dioxide."

"An iodide ion is an iodine atom with a −1 charge.[1] Compounds with iodine in formal oxidation state −1 are called iodides. Iodides include ionic compounds such as sodium iodide "

"Most iodide salts are soluble in water, but often less so than the related chlorides and bromides. Iodide, being large, is less hydrophilic than are the smaller anions. One consequence is that sodium iodide is highly soluble in acetone, whereas sodium chloride is not. The low solubility of silver iodide and lead iodide reflect the covalent character of these metal iodides. A test for the presence of iodide ions is the formation of yellow precipitates of these compounds upon treatment of a solution of silver nitrate or lead(II) nitrate.[1]"

Originally posted by neformore


"Chemtrails" of the lines in the sky variety, born out of ignorance, paranoia and lies are a different subject altogether.

Weather modification chemicals are chemicals and they probably are dropping in trail shaped lines because of the way a airplane flies from point A to B while dispersing the chemicals.

Chemtrails of the "lines in the sky variety" are not "born out of ignorance paranoia and lies"
They are born out of PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE from Countless sources.

What each individual thinks about those photos, and their assessment of them, is debatable and questionable.

But simply saying it's all bunk IS BUNK itself!
Because they are derived from tons of PHOTO EVIDENCE.

BTW enjoying the thread Oracle. Good fun.

Originally posted by icepack
reply to post by Sri Oracle

 

MASSIVE quantities

dont you think, if people get ill above-average in the sprayed areas, this research would be stopped ?

No, not really.

This falls under a more X-Files type situation, or the current wealth of the MSM's shared knowledge of the gulf disaster. Mainly people are thought of as things that pay taxes and panic. The only information given is that which prevents panic and encourages more money from the masses.

Hell, the projects need not even really be all that harmful for a cover up. What the people don't know, won' hurt them. Why do you think we never get information on the MSM like we do here?

Keep the sleepers sleeping, and tell them nothing but tid bits to keep them that way. Or they won't pay their taxes and they might panic.

Period.

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reply to post by ~Lucidity

I believe that plane is a "storm buster". Those nuts who fly into hurricanes to study them.

The US government is no longer engaged in active weather modification. All cloud seeding operations are civilian (with a few Federal and State contracts). Efforts to create a government research board failed in 2005 and 2007.




[edit on 7/19/2010 by Phage]

civilian as in private organistation?

reply to post by steven barnes

Yes. Like these guys:
www.nawcinc.com...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by ~Lucidity

 

I believe that plane is a "storm buster". Those nuts who fly into hurricanes to study them.



[edit on 7/19/2010 by Phage]

You mean a chemtrail believer posted a photo of a aircraft, and had no idea what they are posting about? I mean they would not post a photo of a NOAA DC-6 hurricane research aircraft from the 1950s and imply it is some chemtrail plane, would they??



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probably not considering camera's were quite expensive in the 50's and its also 2010

Originally posted by steven barnes
civilian as in private organistation?

Yes Civilian

Companies like Weather Modification Inc, SOAR, North American Weather Consultants.

Whenever a state, agencies, district or power company, decides to have a cloud seeding project, they put it out for bid, and those companies bid on the project.

reply to post by Phage

Point being they used larger planes in the 60s-80s for weather modification and they could certainly be using them now. Not, as you would lead people to believe just puny little innocent Pipers and Cessnas. There's a 40-seater they use today as well...name begins with a C but escapes me at the moment.

And right, the military/government and their NGOs are not "officially" involved in weather modification or geoengineering. But once again, we don't know what classified operations and experiments might be going on that we are not privy to.

reply to post by firepilot

The theory was that seeding the area outside the eyewall could cause the creation of a new, wider radiused (less intense) eyewall.

They tried it on four storms. Didn't work.
www.aoml.noaa.gov...



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Are you talking about the Gulfstream IV? Not 40 passenger but a nice ride.
www.omao.noaa.gov...

Or the Orions that are used for Hurricane data collection? I don't think 40 people ride them. I don't think I'd want to.
www.aoc.noaa.gov...

Both of them are for data collection. They don't do anything "active".

www.aoc.noaa.gov...

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reply to post by ~Lucidity

Wasn't a secret then.
Why would it be now?

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Phage

 

Point being they used larger planes in the 60s-80s for weather modification and they could certainly be using them now. Not, as you would lead people to believe just puny little innocent Pipers and Cessnas. There's a 40-seater they use today as well...name begins with a C but escapes me at the moment.

And right, the military/government and their NGOs are not "officially" involved in weather modification or geoengineering. But once again, we don't know what classified operations and experiments might be going on that we are not privy to.

Come to think ofit, I do remember the Navy experimenting with a large bomb full of silver iodide, but that apparently did not go anywhere and was shelved.

Well, then show us photos of the airplanes. Those companies involved in cloud seeding, and organizations like NOAA are all over the web. And then there are sites like airliners.net with millions of aircraft photos.

SOAR, NWAC, and Weather Modification use small general aviation aircraft for cloud seeding. You can go to their websites and see this. If you think there are other large aircraft being used for cloud seeding, then show us. I know exactly what these companies use too, but feel free and prove me wrong.

Speculation is not evidence of anything, so give us something more. It does not really make sense to use a big plane for trying to seed a thunderstorm either.

Originally posted by steven barnes
reply to post by OzWeatherman

 

The clouds i speak of that fall, are the ones i see coming out of the back of various aircraft that appear much smaller than conventional aircraft or you could say passenger planes, so you're saying its normal that when i see a normal jet making a trail it disappears along with the jet at a similar rate, where as these other planes emit controlled bursts, as in it releases a trail and it does not disappear as does the "normal jet trails" and then they stop emitting and start again, this is normal? also these controlled emissions drop to the lower and lower until they are basically MASSIVE CLOUDS because it seems the emission is so high up the trail at first look very small.

Ok, I actually observe clouds for a living. All our met offices are located wihtin ground of airfields or airports, so we often see airplanes in holding patterns and at different altitudes. We also launch weather balloons, which give a profile of the upper air conditions for the area.

As I mentioned before, you can have small areas of the upper air environment rising. When dry and warm air from the surface rises through a moist layer, you get parcels of air, which do not reflect the surrounding environment. When a plane flies through one of these parcels of air, and that parcel does not contain the conditions required for contrail development, then there is a break in the contrail.

And again, the clouds is not dropping. You seem to not comprehend that the upper air wind speeds are high enough to super saturate and disperse the upper air environment. Clouds do not react in the manner that you are speaking of, they expand through saturation of the air, causing them to grow in size, when they pick up more and more water content.

As for cloud seeding, it actually occurs in clouds, with the aim of providing a catalyst to increase water droplet and ice crystal size, therefore increasing water content within the cloud, resulting in a growth and subsequent rainfall. Cloud seeding does not occur in clear sky environments

with global warming being a large debate, won't play around with the weather cause such WARMING? moisture requires alot of energy to heat it thus taking energy (heat) from naturally warmer parts, changing the energetic variables and energy share?

also it is quite clear that constantly emitting chemicals isn't the greatest idea especially when we're already doing this on a massive scale already it seems unreasonable to do such things unless it completely nessicary and silver is quite precious, isn't it abit wasteful?

That is always perplexed me, why do chemmies claim that cloud seeding is used in clear skies. What part of "CLOUD" is confusing? Seeding a clear sky with silver iodide particles accomplishes nothing, and the clients who pay for these projects, certainly would not be willing to pay for it.

Its exactly what you said it is, trying to help the efficiency of a precipitation process, by introducing silver iodide into super cooled water droplets. I mean this is explained on every cloud seeding company website too.