Get Your Permit: Silver Iodide Weather Modification is REAL

Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by Sri Oracle

AIR PLANES OFTEN drop MASSIVE quantities of SILVER IODIDE, TRIMETHYL ALUMINUM, BARIUM, and PROPANE, into the SKY over large areas of North America,

Do you have statistics to back up "massive quantities" and "large areas"?

From what I read in the links you provided, there is no information on how much is dropped.

From what I read in the links you provided this is happening in a handful of states, in small areas of the states.

1/5th of Texas is a small area? I'm sorry I guess I was confused.

How do you support a program covering 31 MILLION ACRES in Texas ALONE with small quantities and consider that to be a small area? How do you keep (one particular fleet of) 35 air planes, in the air and operational, daily, using small quantities? One of the posters here who claims to be an expert says that each flare holds 150 grams of silver iodide. There are 20 of those flares on each air plane. Thats 3 kilos of #2 MSDS Health Rating chemical dispersed in a fine mist over our skies every time each plane goes up. Again... do you think they keep 35 planes to use a new one each day of the month and the other 5 on holidays? Do you think weathermodification.com is the only company involved? If we can assume each plane makes it to the sky each day at weathermodification.com. That would be 105 kilos of silver iodide mist DAILY. I know if someone dispersed that much silver iodide into your bedroom while you sleep; you'd probably be dead. Dispersed into the atmosphere, repeated daily exposure, it has to be having SOME KIND OF effect upon wildlife, plants, people... something. No?

MSDS 2:

www.ilpi.com...

Intense or continued exposure could cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury unless prompt medical attention is given.

CONTINUED EXPOSURE
RESIDUAL INJURY

again... you don't have to snort a dump truck full to have a MASSIVE coc aine overdose.

Do you think the silver iodide disappears after it makes a cloud?

Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by Sri Oracle
I am not claiming that it is related to the lines in the sky. I don't know about that, I'm not an expert.

So what exactly are you claiming? No one is disputing your facts that small aircraft spray or burn small amounts of chemicals at low altitudes to modify the weather. What exactly is the point of this thread?

I don't think the Average Joe American is aware of this information, nor do I think the average casual observer; lurker at ATS is aware. I know the average high school graduate is not taught this information. How did you find out? Were you born with the instinct that profit seeking institutions were spraying heavy metals to make it rain, and they had permits to do this over large tracks of North America? The point of this thread as I have stated repeatedly:

Is to separate the supposed non-sense subject of "chemtrails" from the reality subject of large budgets being employed by municipality water departments, agribusiness, insurance, et al. which spray OUR skies DAILY with SILVER IODIDE a MSDS 2 chemical. and barium, et al. for PROFIT.

All of that aside: The real concrete of it all... that the average 5th grader doesn't know:

Chemtrails and Contrails aside...

WEATHER MODIFICATION IS REAL AND WIDESPREAD

Whether or not it is bad for you.... Whether or not chemtrails are contrails.... I cannot claim authority on those subjects. My point is that IT HAPPENS. Anyone who does not think so needs to review the links in the OP and come up to speed; else their head is in the sand. And they cannot with their head in the sand on the subject, further consider the notion:

"Because it happens, should I be concerned?"

Sri Oracle

[edit on 20-7-2010 by Sri Oracle]

Pilot telling about what they are spraying, or what he thinks they are spraying at Weather Modification Inc....

vodpod.com...

reply to post by Phage


So basically what your saying is that if people get sick from cloudseeding it's an acceptable loss because there are other examples of the government and massive corporations knowingly poisoning the populace. All in the name of making a profit????

Originally posted by Stewie
So, how much backpedaling will we see here by the ever present "denialists"?
So, we have spraying going on. We have HAD spraying going on. It is a BIG operation.
Some of the pilots here have not noticed....but, we are supposed to trust them NOW to tell us, um, what is REALLY going on.

Chemicals sprayed into the atmosphere. I think they call that "chemtrailing", don't they?

Dude I almost always take major heat any time I talk about the REALITY of weather modification.

They slam into me hard, and often times I end up feeling terrible and totally retarded (Because you know they Make it a point to make sure you end up feeling embarrassed and totally retarded).

Yes they are backpedaling. Last month you would get chewed out for even attempting to mention WEATHER MODIFICATION SPRAY PROGRAMS.

But today ? "Of course it's a fact everyone knows that since 1950!"

Nope WRONG.

No one knows about weather modification. Go ask your neighbor, 99% chance says he never heard of it.

99% of Society on Earth never heard about it before.

99% of the population had no idea that the weather was being fully manipulated.

Weather Mod is NOT taught in public schools.

Weather Mod is almost NEVER on Mainstream News.

It is a super rare unknown fact by almost all of the population.
The conspiracy is that very fact. It's been hidden from view because the public would panic.

Yes the public would panic if they found out a large amount of the weather they "thought was natural" is actually artificially induced through airborne modification sorties.

Me? I personally want weather modification Outlawed. It needs to stop. We are ruining our habitat with our foolish attempts to control it.

I am just so happy about the back tracking going on though!

It means we are winning the battle against ignorance and that people are waking up to a nice human-induced rain shower.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by muzzleflash]

What is up with calling people "chemmies"?

That is unfair ridicule.

Why would they start name calling to ridicule ?

What is the purpose of ridicule in the context of conspiracy theories?

To make a theory look foolish, and to unfairly attack the credibility of someone indirectly.

So why do you keep calling people "chemmies"?

Can we stop the name calling please it's so immature. GROW UP!!!

who wants to bet that somebody will basically just try to dis-credit anyone questioning that any of this phenomenon could be dangerous and is seemingly quite an unknown fact to MANY, look there is an oil spill that is barely being contained (if at all) why is it so wrong to assume that playing around with something as complicated as weather is a bad idea.

Originally posted by firepilot
Cars spray chemicals into the atmosphere, is that now part of chemtrails too?

It always has been.

Car exhaust is a chemical mixture.

The exhaust comes out in a trail.

Therefore Chem Trail by definition.

Just please THINK ABOUT IT?
Thanks.

However car chem trails are NOT part of Weather Modification programs.

I have no idea why you are doing what you are doing.

Why are you doing this? Why are you saying things in this manner?

Originally posted by steven barnes
who wants to bet that somebody will basically just try to dis-credit anyone questioning that any of this phenomenon could be dangerous and is seemingly quite an unknown fact to MANY, look there is an oil spill that is barely being contained (if at all) why is it so wrong to assume that playing around with something as complicated as weather is a bad idea.

I won't bet vs you steven.

I would lose and you would clean me out.

I'd be homeless tomorrow to bet vs you there.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Nope WRONG.

No one knows about weather modification. Go ask your neighbor, 99% chance says he never heard of it.

99% of Society on Earth never heard about it before.

99% of the population had no idea that the weather was being fully manipulated.

Weather Mod is NOT taught in public schools.

Weather Mod is almost NEVER on Mainstream News.

It is a super rare unknown fact by almost all of the population.
The conspiracy is that very fact. It's been hidden from view because the public would panic.

Beautiful. Thank you.

This morning's Curious George episode on PBS 13 was all about the WEATHER. They talked about satellites, clouds, radar, forecasts, estimates, wind socks, clouds that make rain and clouds that don't... all in simple terms that children can understand.

Curious George never talked about widespread government sanctioned Weather Modification.

Sri Oracle

[edit on 20-7-2010 by Sri Oracle]

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Stewie
So, how much backpedaling will we see here by the ever present "denialists"?
So, we have spraying going on. We have HAD spraying going on. It is a BIG operation.
Some of the pilots here have not noticed....but, we are supposed to trust them NOW to tell us, um, what is REALLY going on.

Chemicals sprayed into the atmosphere. I think they call that "chemtrailing", don't they?

Dude I almost always take major heat any time I talk about the REALITY of weather modification.

They slam into me hard, and often times I end up feeling terrible and totally retarded (Because you know they Make it a point to make sure you end up feeling embarrassed and totally retarded).

Yes they are backpedaling. Last month you would get chewed out for even attempting to mention WEATHER MODIFICATION SPRAY PROGRAMS.

But today ? "Of course it's a fact everyone knows that since 1950!"

Nope WRONG.

No one knows about weather modification. Go ask your neighbor, 99% chance says he never heard of it.

99% of Society on Earth never heard about it before.

99% of the population had no idea that the weather was being fully manipulated.

Weather Mod is NOT taught in public schools.

Weather Mod is almost NEVER on Mainstream News.

It is a super rare unknown fact by almost all of the population.
The conspiracy is that very fact. It's been hidden from view because the public would panic.

Yes the public would panic if they found out a large amount of the weather they "thought was natural" is actually artificially induced through airborne modification sorties.

Me? I personally want weather modification Outlawed. It needs to stop. We are ruining our habitat with our foolish attempts to control it.

I am just so happy about the back tracking going on though!

It means we are winning the battle against ignorance and that people are waking up to a nice human-induced rain shower.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by muzzleflash]

You have to read the mainstream media in order to know what the mainstream media is saying. For example:

www.signonsandiego.com...

www.usatoday.com...

www.cnn.com...

news.xinhuanet.com...

None of which has anything to do with contrails. Why can't you tell the difference between ordinary vapor trails, crop dusting, cloud seeding, sky writing and chaff? They are all different things, and the only connection between them is that they are all up in the sky.

Edit to fix formatting.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by DJW001]

reply to post by Caji316


Posting a +10 minute video of some nutcase with a hidden camera proves....what, exactly???

That he got confirmation that, YES, there is technology to seed clouds...but problem is, these idiots who are "fighting" have NO expertise, nor concept of reality..they are morons --- and only extremely gullible people would swallow, without question, their incredibly stupid assertions.

CLOUD SEEDING is localized, infrequent, and NO SECRET!!!! His "hidden camera" BS?? Guess he thinks he's Allen Funt reincarnated....the information is FREELY and OPENLY available everywhere.

The real problem is the title is misleading....and it is responsible for all this waste of people's time, due to the confusion.

BACK to the science of meterology --- tell everyone, please class, which kinds of clouds produce precipitation:

A) Cumulus
B) Altocumulu
C) Cirrus

Ans: Both A + B are correct (except they don't ALWAYS make precip, hence weather modification programs)...

Anyone who chose option 'C' needs to stay after class for remedial work.

WHY mention that??

Because, the terminally ignorant get agitated when "WX MOD" is brought up and they immediately try to bring the so-called "chemtrails" into the discussion. CONTRAILS are being mis-recognized, and misunderstood --- and CONTRAILS only occur at heights where CIRRUS clouds also form. Get it yet? Cirrus clouds = NO PRECIP


Some more lessons about this "hysteria" of both the so-called "chemtrail" nonsense, and the proasic forms of WX MOD (cloud "seeding") that is completely safe, and has never been controversial UNTIL the buffoons who started yelping about the contrails in the sky, due to their IGNORANCE, thinking they were some nefarious evil 'scheme' of the top-secret 'gubmint'...because PARANOID DELUSIONS are all around, and amongst us, nowadays.

And just like the myths told to small children (that they eventually outgrow, hopefully) other innocent minds are going to be fed a load of BS by this "chemtrail" craze. Again, most of them will grow up, get smart, and reaoize they'd been lied to by the "chemtrail" nutbags...but much time might be wastedin the meanwhile....


The silver iodide has been used FOR DECADES...and the MSOS data has already been shown, in this thread (scroll up). People who are the "chicken littles" of this world conflate and exagerrate, and LIE, and distort --- and those who follow what they say without a critical eye cast deserve the ignorance and disinformation that they receive.

The "lessons" mentioned involve what is the lack of understanding of the basics of meteorology, to include the "water cycle" ( all of this can be learned by merely a simple internet search...if those of you who are "scared" or "mad" would just bother ). In the water cycle of NATURE a heckuva lot more pollutants can be picked up, added to the water vapor in the atmosphere, and then precipatate back out --- than can be added by humans spraying a few thousand pounds from an airpalne!!!

Some of you apparently have NO CLUE how vast Nature is, compared to what we contribute.

(Not to minimize the constant, and rampant ground-based polluting sources that have been occuring for over a HUNDRED years! It is cumulative, and produces FAR MORE --- let me repeat that --- FAR MORE toxins, in terms of weight and distribution, than anything possible EVER lofted in an airplane, since its invention).

More about that video,and the illogic that some fail to realize....the pilots flying the WX MOD flights are not worried about the chemicals!!!

Because, they know they are harmless, unless one is exposed to excessive amounts. Like....Cropdusting pilots have to take MORE PRECAUTIONS, because of the toxicity of the pesticides they handle!!!


But, just about ANYTHING in excessive quantites qualifies as "hazardous", as well...

Like, that extremely dangerous chemical di-hydrogen monoxide.


What? Never heard of that one yet?? Uh oh....well, OK, you caught me, so now you know. (Shhhh...don't spread it around). Yup, the di-hydrogen monoxide is out there, and it's very insidious...odorless, tasteless and PROVEN to be fatal to humans, animals, and even some (but not all) plants. In fact, there are cases when humans have died from even very small quantities!! The CIA in the United States even has used it to TORTURE prisoners!! The outrage!

Oh, it's a clever, clever scheme alright..."hiding" this dangerous stuff in plain sight! They (TPTB) are counting on people's generally poor grasp of sciences to keep them fooled. But, now YOU can be "in the know"....pssssst! The secret formula for this dangerous chemical is --- "H2O". Pass it on....don't let them fool you any more!!


SIGN THE PETITION!!!!








[edit on 20 July 2010 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by Sri Oracle
AERIAL CHEM DUMPING IS REAL !!!! 1/5th of TEXAS IS ROUTINELY SPRAYED with silver iodide by air plane.

NOW DEBUNK THAT!

Debunk what? Next you'll be telling us that cows eat grass and ask us to debunk that!


We know that silver iodide is used for cloud seeding over the USA and has been for decades.

And if you want to, you can pay one of the many private firms that carry out this activity yourself. Mostly it's farmers who use the service, but a lot of ski centres use it too to help increase snowfall.

Whether all the silver iodide is good is another matter. But that's the price you pay for a free capitalist society which doesn't like the Govt telling people what they can and cannot do. But you could always move to Britain where we don't seed clouds - our clouds produce ample rain by themselves

Originally posted by DJW001

None of which has anything to do with contrails. Why can't you tell the difference between ordinary vapor trails, crop dusting, cloud seeding, sky writing and chaff? They are all different things, and the only connection between them is that they are all up in the sky.


[edit on 20-7-2010 by DJW001]

This thread isn't about contrails. lol.

It's about weather modification being real despite the repeated attempts to confuse that fact.

And yes I can tell the difference between those objects.
Chaff is shiny reflective objects *usually tinfoil?* that is used to screw with enemy radar.

Cloud seeding = dumping stuff in a cloud, OR firing it from flak cannons, etc

Crop dusting = extremely low altitude , sprays pesticides on farms

h2o vapor trails = aka contrails

Sky writing? = You must think I am a 5year old retard if you expect me to dignify that one with a response.

Sky writing? Seriously you don't think we can identify that?

That's extremely insulting. Funny, I laughed, but still...


[edit on 20-7-2010 by muzzleflash]

Originally posted by Essan
Debunk what? Next you'll be telling us that cows eat grass and ask us to debunk that!

We know that silver iodide is used for cloud seeding over the USA and has been for decades.

Whether all the silver iodide is good is another matter.

Whether Weather Modification is good is also another matter

WE do NOT know that silver iodide is used for cloud seeding.

YOU, fellow long time ATS'er, know it.

I know it.

THE MASSES, on the other hand, "the collective WE"
are largely unaware
and largely "head in sand"

because of the "chemtrail/contrail" debate.

...very different from we: the MASSES, perception of cows eating grass.

Sri Oracle

[edit on 20-7-2010 by Sri Oracle]

I asked my grandma.

She said she never heard of it.

I'll get my wife to ask her parents....

Ooh, they never heard about weather modification either.

They are totally mainstream old folks too. Imagine that....

None of them believe it either, despite the evidence provided.

Looks like they are programmed to deny it for some odd reason.


I'll keep asking people around me, even my neighbors and see what the ratio of people who never heard of it vs people who have heard of it.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I asked my grandma.

Same status in my family.
Same status amongst my co-workers.
Same status amongst my friends.

Sri Oracle

Same here. Most people don't have a clue., and chances are good they've never heard of geoengineering either. Fun times.

reply to post by muzzleflash

This thread isn't about contrails. lol.

Originally, perhaps not, but the chemtrailers have certainly latched on to it. I wonder why?

It's about weather modification being real despite the repeated attempts to confuse that fact.

Despite what some people here think, no-one has ever denied that there have been attempts to modify the weather for thousands of years. Rain dances, for example. Napoleon tried to bust clouds with cannon. Wilhelm Reich built an "orgone energy cloud buster." We watched a grainy old educational film about cloud seeding in fifth grade! Attempts to modify the weather are well known. Most of them don't work.

And yes I can tell the difference between those objects.

Sorry, that was not directed at you personally. Judging from your other posts, you do. The rhetoric is aimed at the people who can't go out on a nice day without freaking out because they think that all the jetliners at 30,000 feet are spraying them.

Edit to polish style.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by DJW001]

this silver iodine is insoluable meaning it will not dissolve THUS meaning it will build up and build up thus could easily built to a toxic level especially when all of these organisations are private, not linked so there is no reason to believe they'd be comparing data to see what is a safe ammount here and a safe ammount there.

Of course there are many other facsets with elements and molecules to bond with but

NO DISSOLVING = BUILD UP?

PRIVATE ORGANISATIONS SEEDING, WITHOUT INTERCONNECTION OF DATA NO NUMBER CAN BE PRODUCED WITHOUT SOMEONE TRAWLING ALL THE DATA THUS COULD EASILY BE PRODUCING LARGE AMMOUNTS OF DAMAGE ON A LARGER SCALE

reply to post by steven barnes


This is so many levels of wrong....not the insolubility comment, but the EXTREME STRETCH into woo-woo fantasy land "consequences"....

It is the sort of pseudo-(un)scientific mumbo-jumbo that causes all of the angst, disinformation, and confusion among people.

What nonsense it is!!!