Aliens, *Snip* they are demons. Prove me wrong.

reply to post by WashMoreFeet
Possessed by?
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it is already said in Response one:
aliens are not ghosts, they are pretty material.

I use the momentum to say something more philosophical:

Did God create trillions of star systems with undoubtedly abundant life, if not around us then a little farther, only to be populated with demons, or let say "malevolent aliens"? Is this your god you believe in? Because it is not mine.

My God is good, and His creation is good. The fact some aliens have chosen the seduction of the spiritual demons, as well as some humans did (666 is a human, "number of man"), does not change the fact God created all good and the vast majority is still good. The other is not to believe in an omnipotent God that is good at the same time.

Originally posted by Loken68

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Ghosts/Demons are spiritual. Aliens are physical. How can they be the same thing?

What a strange thread. There's no conclusive proof that any of the above exist. I could say 'demons are marshmallow men - prove me wrong'.

Demons have manifested themselves on a physical plain before and still do.

Really? do you have proof of this?

not buying it , i know a bit about demonology and inhuman entities. Maybe religion was inspired by fable and "Aliens" however this is more like fear mongering imo. I notice some of these supposed Christians are selling fear to get people to join the church.

like these nutters
www.youtube.com...

I think ancient summeria and the anunnaki had the answers to our true past but at the same time it is not so black and white. People FEAR what they do not understand and demonize it if they can not relate to it. From cultures to religions today. Human misunderstanding , this is a flawed concept.




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If god created all that is good then who created us ?


And for being convinced that aliens are demons and demons are aliens would we not have to have proof of aliens?


I believe it is very unlikely that earth houses the only lifeforms in this universe but this is all a bit presumptious isnt it !?

To the OP:

You seem to have an idea of what you think these beings already are and if that is your belief, why do you want someone to prove you wrong?

Believe in what you want to believe - A lot here have their own beliefs. So in the end, it sounds like you are looking for arguments instead of debates and "proof" which never leads anyone anywhere but being an internet troll and fishing for argumentative fights.


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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Ghosts/Demons are spiritual. Aliens are physical. How can they be the same thing?

Not only that but from the aliens perspective we are aliens and by that logic demons.

If one is so inclined to believe that

I do believe there are inhuman entity's that are on a negative plain of some type. I had a "problem" with something like this years ago. It was a force i will leave it at that. I think the Native Americans had a better understanding of it and it is a part of nature. But again Demons are not aliens. Satan and the fallen angels, they are not the same thing as EXTRA TERRESTRIALS from another planet. Two totally different things.

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well ... that's just silly. Demons can't be marshmallow men, if they were, you'd just run a stick through them in hell and and make s'mores.

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I covered this thread here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Angels, Devils and jinns are invisible to human eyes .They are there but we don't see.
Evil jinns can get visible to the ones who bother them somehow sometimes. Professional fortune tellers and spell makers actually communicate with them as far as I know which is a big sin.
You can't prove the existence of spiritual beings with photographs. Because they get visible only to whoever they want as if opening a curtain in front of the eyes.
I know any of them doesn't has a scientific aspect and doesn't sound rational maybe. All these things are created by God and they are mentioned in Quran.

Before we just on to the nature and identification of aliens, can we get some incontrovertible evidence of their existence? All I see here is wild speculation and unfounded but vehemently pushed claims.

OP,

For whatever it may be worth to your argument, yes - there is no way to show conclusive, scientific proof that anything you mentioned is real beyond any shadow of a doubt. However, since 2000 I have been dealing with the paranormal, sometimes against my will and from the things I've seen and done I can tell you that ghosts and demons are real. The two are separate entities, which I will explain in detail shortly. As for extraterrestrials - being that the traditional definition is an intelligent biological entity from a body in the universe other than Earth - I have never seen nor met anyone who has encountered an Extraterrestrial. But we do have plenty of accounts to fall back on.

I hunt these things and have for 10 years.

So.

1) Ghosts - a ghost is a trace of a human being that is left behind after their death - sometimes the full-blown 'spirit' of said human. This is a soul which has not crossed over to the other side and is bound to the Earth and material plane through some unfinished task or object it cannot let go of. These range from the black 'shadow people' you see out of the corner of your eye which make no noise and have no interaction with you to the angry poltergeists which throw stuff around rooms. Outside of that, ghosts are typically benevolent and do not possess much in the way of a distinct, separate intelligence that shows they are aware that they are a spirit and able to do as they please.

2) Demons - Now - these bastards are as varied in makeup and trade as humans are. A previous poster, I believe you - said that demons never take physical form. Whoever said that was correct - mostly. First off, for clarification 'demon' is a Christian moniker given to sentient, intelligent entities which reside in another plane of existence that sometime coincides with our own. A demon is different from a ghost in that it is completely aware of its actions, the current situation and has a free and distinct will of its own. As of late, there has been a surge of Succubi and Incubi reported throughout the US and other parts of the world and I explain the Succubus in detail here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

For the most part - they never take physical form. They do sometimes possess people, but those are usually the stronger demons with malevolent intent (not all demons are "bad" - their personalities vary as much as humans do.) And the key point to remember here is they are from another reality or plane of existence, not another planet within our universe.

3) Extraterrestrials - Essentially, an intelligent life form from another planet. Simple as that. You are aware as I'm sure there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of accounts of these creatures, none of which I can provide personal experience on. The ET is nearly ALWAYS in physical form, possessing some kind of advanced technology and is seen or is assumed to be from a craft which travelled through space.

So, I have to disagree, good sir. Demons and ETs are two distinct things which have completely different characteristics and methodologies. What I will grant you is this.

Since the term "extraterrestrial literally means not of this Earth" - then yes, I suppose you could "CALL" demons extraterrestrials, but from my 10 years of dealing with this crap - they are not the same thing.

Cheers!

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Aliens could have created the bible...
Seems more likely...

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its all very well citing these ancient practices - but as they were incapable of diagnosing epilepsy as a neurological disorder - and blamed that [ epilepsy ] on " demons " too

Yeah, just one question. Where's your proof that 'aliens' 'ghosts' and the like are 'demons'? See I've read that statement a few times here on ATS, yet no one ever seems to be able to place anything forward in the way of evidence... Realistically, your basically just telling us to take your word for it. Your obviously a hard-lined religious believer, but you really shouldn't confuse your beliefs with things outside your realm, so-to-speak. Unless you have something that shows a correlation between demons and aliens, then your premise is false.

Chrono

I totally go along with the argument that aliens and demons are the same thing. I am aware that most people want proof and just like the OP I will be ridiculed for thinking along those lines.

Although there will be stiff opposition to the idea of the alien/demon connection, it is only a matter of time before this idea becomes generally accepted (though I may not be around when it does).

My own evidence is based on the psychic/psychological connection that many witnesses have made with these entities. An obsession or facination with aliens and UFOs very often leads to multiple sightings. For some it becomes too much , as the facination becomes obsesssion and turns to demonic possession (which some incorrectly think is alien abduction).

Grey aliens and the like are nothing more than astral entities that have acquired a denser coat.

I gave up trying to prove my point a long time ago. I don't feel the need to prove anything anymore. People will believe in whatever they want to believe.

For my part, it is enough to entertain myself by capturing UFOs on film. I only now share footage with those who think along the same lines. I am aware that I have to keep a safe distance from these entities.

Aliens are nothing more that the demons that have plagued manking for centuries. You can see them represented in paintings from hundred years ago. They still look the same except that they have done away with the horns and wear nice lycra suits, with spaceman looks. Oh, by the way, the craft has replaced the wings.

I cannot understand how people can embrace such horrid creatures. For example in the movie ET, we are made to feel sorry for the poor creature( which is totally demonic in appearance). That certainly was a PR success for the alien.

My advice is just to ignore them and they will go away. If you are curious you can experiment a bit and take some nice footage now and again. Mind you, there is an army of debunkers out there to discredit you. So, is it really worth the trouble to post it on Youtube or ATS? I now treat UFOs just like I treat shooting stars (Nice , but of no consequence)


I should add that I am not religious at all. My own backgound is based on Esoteric notions. You will find hardly any reference to UFOs in occult teachings. Why should there be ?



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Looking at some of the OP's posts, I wonder whether his whole 'Black Templar' shtick is based on a fantasy life informing his real life or his real life informing his fantasy life. Either way, there's some worrying blurring between the two.

I say that as an observation rather than as a criticism before anyone gets the ladder out so they can saddle-up their high horse.

Also, I think 'Nemesis the Warlock' did this kind of thing either in 1979 or 1980. The whole aliens as heretics that much of Warhammer 40K seems based on owes a lot to that and in turn, so does the OP etc.

Originally posted by Loken68
Do not try to derail thread or add anything that is not relevant to thread. I will report all violators

Wow! And I thought only the mods did the policing here!!

Anyway, I guess you've been seeing too many sci-fi flicks of late, where aliens are usually depicted as monsters and evil spirits! You've been brainwashed! Sheeesh!

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Not out to prove anyone wrong here, but I'm happy to share and discuss some things relevant to this thread.

First off, what religions call Demons (and other things) are only other souls choosing to experience attempting to be apart from the light. I say attempting because all the ones I've seen or had to work with still have light within them no matter how hard they try to hide it.

They are easily disempowered by filling them with unconditional love from yourself, and this begins their healing back towards the light.

How do I know this to be so?

Because I've had to work with them since I was a young teenager and those past 40 years have taught me much about the bigger picture reality.

Aliens are similar only in that they are souls choosing to experience a different form to the one you have chosen to experience.

How do I know this to be so?

Because I have been visited since early childhood for various reasons, although the past couple of years it has dropped off due to my advancing age and lack of vitality. PLus while exploring the bigger picture reality on my own I found it easy to meet and communicate with various races, both in the physical world and outside of it.

So based on my sound lifetime of experience I am able to tell you the above information.

Demons and Aliens are not the same thing. They are only souls like you and I that choose something different to what you and I did.

You will find all Belief-Systems have Limitations to them, we could say they are Boxes of Belief with their instilled boundaries.. which are the Limitations to what you can experience of the bigger picture reality.

The only thing I have ever found that can prevent you from growing and experiencing outside the Box is what you think and believe about yourself and everything else.

How simple is that?

The main problem here is that one mans poison is another mans food.

What is an alien to one, is a demon to another.

Demons and aliens may both be interdimensional, although aliens are generally believed to be 'of another planet'. It's a similar problem with ghosts.

Ghosts have categories of their own. Some are believed to return from the astral plane, others are thought to be stuck here and some are mere recordings of their previous lives, recorded into the fabric of time or into items such as granite rock etc.

Then we need to consider paralel universes. What may be seen as a ghost is nothing more than a slip in reality where we get a glimpse of an alternative life sharing the same time.

We are so far away from proving the existence of all of these that it is hard work trying to keep up wth the many faces of these types of beings.

I, like many others, work towards getting the correct evidence together to try to show the existence of the above.

One deeply religious person may see an alien and call it a demon (depending on its physical appearance), then he may see a demon manifesting itself and call it a ghost.. It's all swings and roundabouts for many of us still. Deciding if an interdimensional alien is a demon or an alien is going to be a massive undertaking.