Turkish Navy will Escort aid to Gaza

Originally posted by harrycook27
And BTW, even if passengers were able to kill every damn commando piece of # that would be a quite appropriate answer on illegal attack on their ship, a private foreign flagged territory in high seas.

I guess it's a tough luck for you and the rest that they didn't kill anyone, eh? Agony of defeat?
Way to call the commando guys pieces of #, totally announcing how biased you are in all of this.
And then people ask how people are labeled anti-Israeli.

But unfortunately they couldn't, they were just ordinary people in the humanitarian mission, something heartless morons could never understand as their life's mission is to take a happiness from people not to bring it to them.

Unfortunately? Lol, you baboon, nobody wishes to end lives around here, why do you do? You're not any better than any scum you speak of.
Yeah humanitarian mission my ass. A humanitarian mission will dock where it's possible to dock, not intend on go through an impossible journey through an armed naval blockade, and get the goddamn aid in without all the PR show.

We'll see how it would finish when another convoy comes escorted by some tough and trained moustached Anatolians

I'm sure Israel shakes with fear by this fact.. lol.
Don't get too disappointed if the Turks will chicken out. I know I won't be surprised!

That's all I wanted to say... good luck to normal people, morons - die in hell !

Bye.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

Hmm ok a recap here...

So we got:
Canada, USA and Afghanistan
China, North and South Korea
Iraq, Iran and Russia
Poland and Russia
Israel, Palestine and Turkey

Is every one in? The show is about to begin -Jim Morison

Originally posted by tetrahedron
Hah.

If this comes to blows the Israelis will decimate the Turks.

Just. Like. Every. Other. Time.

If the Arabs put down their guns there would be peace. If the Israelis put down their guns there would be a holocaust.

Understand, that before there were zionists in the arab and persian worlds the most detested country by the middle east was turkey.

good, i hope they shoot down the turkish fleet as well. its not llike those supplies were really going to make it to the people who needed them, like all donations to the poor and starving, they never make it, they are either sold off on the market or they are used to support the host nations military. all the countries that border israel are criminal nations and deserve what is coming to them. i can only hope one day that isreal grows and becomes the dominant nation of the middle east. after traveling the region as a whole i knowtice that isreal is the only country that is half decent for 2000 miles. god speed isreal and may god continue to look out for your country. its not like the israelies are racist or anti muslim, if any reader on here has ever been to narazith you would know that! no settlements, no blockades, no police check points, no restricted movement on a huge muslim city in the borders of isreal proper. so instead of complaining about isreal all the time why not complain about syria abusing lebanon, or saudi arabia abusing their own people. dont ever be fooled, the muslim nations dont want the palestinians, they want them to starve and die to make isreal look bad

[edit on 31-5-2010 by jakemil]

Originally posted by seataka
Understand, that before there were zionists in the arab and persian worlds the most detested country by the middle east was turkey.

How many years ago?
Yeah..hmmm..

AHEM

Further person attacks and off topic ad hom attacks will not be tolerated. Further post of this nature will result in warns and / or a temporary posting ban.

Please stay ON topic and keep it clean folks.

On the piece of CIA evidence you cited; I read it, and then I read more...

The Central Intelligence Agency issued an "interim" report on the attack, dated June 13, 1967 (five days after the attack and five days before the apparent completion of the Navy's abbreviated Court of Inquiry). The heavily redacted copy of the CIA's report that has been released to the public does not state a conclusion, but suggests that, based on the information available as of the date of the report, the Israeli forces may not have known that they were attacking an American ship.[43]

Writing in his memoirs, Richard Helms, the Director of Central Intelligence at the time of the attack, explained that the Central Intelligence Agency undertook a "final" investigation after more evidence became available, and he offered the following information concerning the CIA's final finding:[44]

"Israeli authorities subsequently apologized for the incident, but few in Washington could believe that the ship had not been identified as an American naval vessel. Later, an interim intelligence memorandum concluded the attack was a mistake and not made in malice against the U.S. . . .I had no role in the board of inquiry that followed, or the board's finding that there could be no doubt that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty. I have yet to understand why it was felt necessary to attack this ship or who ordered the attack." [Emphasis added]

Director Helms was not the only administration official who remained convinced that the attack was deliberate. In 1990, in his memoirs, Secretary of State Rusk observed:[45]

"But I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."

www.gtr5.com/summary_of_events.htm

edit to leave this speak for itself.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by joechip]

reply to post by Solomons


Why do you think that India,Pakistan, China, and other European nations likewise have nuclear power? Do you believe that for one minute if Israel used a nuclear weapon of any kind that some other nation would not return the fire to Israel? Are you crazy or what?

reply to post by babybunnies


Cain and abel was the sons yes cain was cursed by god for the lust of blood and inprisoned on earth till the end of time oooooh vampire lol anyways there is still eve a woman who can give birth were all children of the offspring (eve) maybe u should read some more i hate ppl who bash the bible that hasnt even read it kinda like the trolls on this forum that bash threads without reading it cuz the title doesnt suit them

SOME SCAREY FACTS...

- I spent a month in Turkey as few years back. The Attaturk monument in Ankara is way bigger than the Lenin Tomb in Red Square and his picture is everywhere despite being dead since 1938. No Turkish leader make idle threats as Turkey never backs down. ANyone who did would be overthrown before they had finished the sentence. Turkey WILL carry out what it has said.

- Likewise, due to the past history of Hitler's genocide, no Israeli Government will back down.

- Turkey is a member of NATO used to supply 25% of its manpower at the time of the Cold War. It has huge leverage on this basis. MOst of Europe is a member of NATO> Israel is NOT a member of NATO.

- UNder the North Atlantic Treaty, any NATO nation that is attacked or fired upon by a non-member can call upon all other member states to support it.

- Israel has stated in the past couple of years that it would certainly consider a pre-emptive strike, wiping out Western Europe if it felt its existence as threatened by it.

- Israel has an estimated 125 nukes and is, therefore capable of wiping out 125 of Europe's biggest cities if chose to do so.

...At the time of the Falklands War, people said that it would never come to a showdown between Britain and Argentina, but it did. WHy? Because there was no reason for it not to occur. Likewise now, there is currently no reason for this not to occur.

This is a very, very, very dangerous situation.

reply to post by swash_buckle


Sorry to say this, Swash_Buckle, but the United States does have that very thing happening on its borders or haven't you noticed that? There are tunnels in which people are smuggling drugs, weapons, and human beings from Mexico into Arizona, New Mexico, California, and Texas. The USA thus far has not exercised military action against this invasion but has tried to implement laws as in AZ which has already had many threads both pro and con about it.

The USA has a right to defend itself against invasion as well. But it does exercise a different kind of restraint while trying to find the best solution to the problem of the impoverished of the Central and South American nations.

Palestine is a different manner as the GAZA strip has been raped, plundered, and devastated by the Israeli's oppressive actions taken against them. Israel does not deserve sympathy imho.

reply to post by airvicemarshal

If a punch-up between Turkey and Israel occurs, it could set in motion a chain-reaction of treaies such as that that occured before the First World War.

If that occurs, every city in Europe with a population of over 149,000 is in dire danger.

reply to post by loner007


You said it, loner, and I agree with you. People were so upset when the government raided WACO, Texas with tanks...I suppose the Davidians and the Palestinians share a lot in common suffering from overkill by those who don't know how to handle fear. Israel has made no friends at all with its excessive militant behaviour, and nobody who is sane should ever condone it.

reply to post by Vitchilo


If that is not an expression of total insanity, I don't know what is. You would think that this is a game of some kind, a super bowl? Very hard to believe that communications are so poor that people don't know the meaning of Peace.

reply to post by Evanzsayz


doubt that, they are the only county in that area that has half a clue. the middle east will die out as the oil drys up and the desert consumes more, the only nation that will still be there in 200 years will be israel

reply to post by Evanzsayz


i must be twelve because i disagree with your personal opinion? if its not soothing to your ears its immature? i think your the 12 year old in this debate

Well it's nice to see this thread deteriorate into it's usual nonsense.

The Pro-Israel side...Well done good facts all the right attack points. Earned your paychecks.

The Pro-Palestine side... Well done good facts all the right attack points




WELL THE FACTS!

-Internationally recognized aid flottila sails for Gaza

-Israel intercepts them 100 miles from shore in International Waters

-Israeli commandos board ship by fast roping in from helicopters.

-Occupants of ships fight off commandos with whatever they had

-Israeli Commandos fire live ammo and kill upwards of 9 and wounding at least 17.


QUESTIONS?

Are we going to pull out our piracy operations in Somalia as a result of condoning this?

Did Israel already commit an act of war by boarding and seizing several vessels registered in Turkey as well as Turkish citizens possibly killed?

What wouldn've happened during the Cuban Missle crisis had the US boarded one of the Russian ships 100 miles from the blockade line?

Russia wouldn've launched a full nuclear strike.



I think Israel would've been wiser to wait until they entered the blockade zone and then board them and seize them.

This could be tried as piracy as it was done in international waters and I would be really surprised if there were weapons on board any of the vessels with so many high profile people on it. Even if they were using these flottilas to smuggle weapons they would not have done it on this one with too many high profile people on board the vessels and lots of support from their respective countries.

Why risk that for a few crates of AK's and SEMTEC?

I'm sure Israel wishes they could have this one back!

Wel that's gonna be fun.
Next thing you know the whole EU will be involved.
I do have to say it's about time somebody did something about the way Israel has been acting. I don't expect the US the get to involved, seeing as the US and Israel are best buds and the US borrowed some cash from Israel and their friends. So you really can't comment to much on them seeing as you owe them money.

Wow!

Judging by the contents of this thread, I think it's safe to say that the story spin has been successful. This thread is full of new information that completely contradicts the origional story which was produced by video evidence and testimony. Bravo to the MSM.

Once again, I am neutral. Isreal and Palastine hate eachother, they both have thier reasons. Wish they could figure out a way to work things out. It's sad. I personally am against war because I see it for what it really is, which is a way for the puppet masters to get us to kill eachother while they stick thier hands in our pockets and clamp chains around our necks.

I live a pretty simple life and I'm happy with it. Wish others could be as easily satisfied.