Turkish Navy will Escort aid to Gaza

Originally posted by SparKzzz

Originally posted by harrycook27
But moronic idiots and liars missed that, some bearded man with knife in his hand looked perfect way to excuse the massacre on innocent civils and humanitarian activists on private, foreign ship in international waters.

Yay another idiotic post!
First, are you hinting I or others are "Hasbara agents"? LOL!

Jokes aside, you truly believe this photograph is the excuse for the IDF to board the ships?

Tell you what, I'll buy a ship and try sailing at your country. When your naval guard addresses me I'll just claim I'm here to bring medicine to my grandma and kindly tell them to sod off because I'm not going to stop, and I'll dock anywhere the hell I want because this is a free world.
Then, when they will instruct me to stop or to leave I'll middle finger them and keep on going.

When they finally decide to board my vessel I'll throw a chair at them encouraging them to use force against me.

After all is done, if I'm still alive, I'll go on ATS to whine and cry about it. Yeah. Seems like a good idea.
Also, anyone who tries to use rational thinking and debunk my peaceful journey will automatically be labeled a Hasbara agent! That will show them!



//Hasbara agent (LOL how pathetic can you get)

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

Looks like someone can't put together a good arguement without resorting to sarcasm...stupid americans.

Originally posted by Skellon

Originally posted by minkey53
At the end of the day, whoever these people were, wherever they came from, to try and land 10,000 tonnes of goods in Gaza, a place where they are banned is completely crazy!

It's like a load of civilians on boats from South Korea heading to the North to give their relatives new TV's, fancy bottles of wine and other BANNED things!

You just don't do that sort of thing and not expect to be MET by force, durhh!!

I loved your post, really encouraging to see that I am not the only one free of a blind fold.

[edit on 1-6-2010 by Skellon]

Is it me or is this thread full of trolls and morons they're not taking "fancy wine and T.V. sets" to the palestinians they're taking cement and much needed building materials to rebuild the homes that israel destroyed.

For those who still remain unconvinced that this turkish flotilla is nothing more than a false flag operation by Turkey to fool its own masses over the looming financial crisis mess, then ask yourself why Turkey is taking provocative troubles with Israel?

It is not 'humanitarian aid' it is seeking, or it would have followed the protoccols involved. This is nothing more than provocation to force Israel's hand, already with a hardliner in its govt, to inflame and make the Turkish people, whom are muslims, forget the financial woes and instead think of wreaking havoc upon the Jews, with hatred to keep themselves alive with the economic woes yet to come.

The Jews and the Palestinians had been once again, made used of.

Furthermore, with far away Islamic Turkey raising the ante, would the middle eastern muslim leaders, whom had been rational so far to seek for peaceful measures, allow this upstart to start a war in the middle east, just so this islamic turkish govt can stay in power, and even make an attempt to restore its Caliphate, which Turkish forefathers had suffered for it and toppled it once before, this time misusing religion yet again to inflame the muslims?

Would the kings and leaders of Middle east gives up their soveriegnity and allow Turkey its way, which was never for the good of M.E, or for the palestinian people. but only for its own agenda to stay in power, and to hell with the rest of humanity if it dies in an all out world war again?

[edit on 1-6-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

A new update to the situation. Apparently at least for the time being there is a land route to deliver aid.

Egypt Lifts its side of the Gaza Blockade

I wonder how long the Egyptian government will keep the borders open.

Israel is extraditing crews and passenger right now, and they will be back with a Turkish escort in a few weeks. When the IDF tries to block the flotilla in coastal areas, it exposes it ships to landbased attacks, with a stalemate at sea under intense media coverage. First-class sabrerattling between Natopartner Turkey and Israel, with Hezbollah and Lebanon upgunning their coastal presence for a possible lucky strike, while the POTUS has to break it down on AIPAC, that he really, absolutely cant veto another UN resolution against Israeli military adventurism.

reply to post by Shark_Feeder

Israel said 679 people were arrested, and about 50 of those had left the country voluntarily. Hundreds who refused to cooperate remained jailed and subject to deportation

Here is the next trouble for Israel brewing. Lots of angry Europeans in Israeli jails. I wonder how they plan to get rid of them, before European Media goes ballistic on the photo-ops.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
For those who still remain unconvinced that this turkish flotilla is nothing more than a false flag operation by Turkey to fool its own masses over the looming financial crisis mess, then ask yourself why Turkey is taking provocative troubles with Israel?

Sorry to interrupt, but Turkey is not a member of the Eurozone, so it is not in need of false flag operations. The Turks just decided, that they arent so eager to join anymore. Why Turkey is taking "provocative troubles"? Maybe because ships under turkish flags were boarded and their people shot by a nation, that is supposed to be in peace with Turkey?
And because if they just accepted that with a sad wink, they would look like total wussies and they dont like that?

Would the kings and leaders of Middle east gives up their soveriegnity and allow Turkey its way, which was never for the good of M.E, or for the palestinian people. but only for its own agenda to stay in power, and to hell with the rest of humanity if it dies in an all out world war again?

[edit on 1-6-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

How do you come up with the idea of Turkey demanding anybody to give up their sovereignity? No nation has any sovereign right to annex another nations territory OR BOARD ITS SHIPS. "Turkey was never good for the M.E.?" and so its their fault if a World War starts? Between which nations, exactly?
Could you please use an even broader brush or an even more biased position on Turkeys role in the area?

[edit on 1-6-2010 by XenoStuffz]

Hmm interesting thread...so far I've gathered two things from it.

1. People really hate Israel on ATS.

2. Next aid will get escorted by the turkish navy. Interesting but I doubt it will make much of a difference.

Also did I mention that people hate Israel on ATS...possibly more than they hate OBAMA lol.

Been following this thread.

Interesting speculations, but I have yet to see any confirmation that Turkey has or will send escorts, of any kind. To be honest, I dont think the military in Turkey would follow those orders.

And any further flotillas will be boarded, period.

This is why we have diplomacy, to fix these types of situations. Sending in more military is just adding fuel.

Let cooler heads prevail.

reply to post by XenoStuffz


Perhaps i am not a good writer, thus you were unable to comprehend my meaning.

1. I have never alluded Turkey to being the Eurozone even though it is a member of Nato which is only of a military alliance.

However, the financial troubles is not only faced by EU, but by many other nations of the world as well. Turkey will not be any different, more so with its high corruption which is a reality and way of life.

The pinch will come and they will have to cut back on socialised welfare spending, which will hurt its people the way it is hurting others in the world.

The only solution is to deflect the blame for their financial mismanagement through greed by starting wars to unite its people with righteous anger and forget about their economic woes.


2. In brief, Turkey is all that was left of the brutual Ottoman Empire of the 18th Century, dismantled with the help by the British and later by its own military of the hedious and mad corrupt Caliphates that ruled the empire for years.

The Muslims believed the Caliph is akin to a Christian Pope - the sole religious representative on Earth and his every word is from an Almighty. Turkey for decades had been a secular ruled nation, but in recent times, the Islamics had won elections by using or misusing religion as a source for power, the way Iran did.

And with that power, its govt believes in restoring the Caliphate, with Turkey as the leader of the muslim world. The Turks will rule once again - that's the Turk islamists dream and ambition.

What better way than to start a skirmish with the jews, be seen as the hero, and let our fellow humans- the muslims-around the world be sacrificed as the Turks regain their domination over the muslim world, and making soveriegn states bow before the great Turkish Caliph in Ankara?


[edit on 1-6-2010 by SeekerofTruth101]

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Shot by Palestinians, or shot by the IDF to increase hatred against the Palestinians?

We all know which country was responsible for the King David Hotel blast, killing the English who were not happy with the direction Israel was taking.

We all know who attacked the Liberty, trying to instigate war between the Americans and Egyptians.

At least, educated people know.

reply to post by lilsmurf


It would be good news if Turkey sends escort vessels to break the Gaza blockade because you can be sure there will be a problem with one of the Turkish ships not far from the harbour which causes one vessel to crash into another resulting in a sinking right in the harbour navigation lanes and Israel will be the heroic rescuers Sounds like a story but Israel has a history of mysteriously sinking ships!!! Knock yourself out Turkey

reply to post by XenoStuffz


Lets please get a reality check here!! Turkey really famous for having a crack navy! I DONT THINK!! More famous for men dancing in skirts !! At least the Scots do it with a bit of class, now theres an Army!!!

reply to post by Everwatcher33



Need I say more ?

"ISRAELI'S CELEBRATING DEATHS OF AID WORKERS "
www.youtube.com...


[edit on 1-6-2010 by Mr Zeropoint]

Originally posted by Kailassa
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

We all know which country was responsible for the King David Hotel blast, killing the English who were not happy with the direction Israel was taking.

We all know who attacked the Liberty, trying to instigate war between the Americans and Egyptians.

Who or what was responsible was already the past. No point in dragging the past anymore, but more critically, to deal with new realities and new ambitions.

Only you and I can step back from the brink, calm down and await for justice to be served.

When push comes to shove, I will have to carry a gun and kill, even though I know the other side had been manipulated for slaughter and that is the last thing I will ever want to do, but WILL DO SO if I have to defend others, even if I myself know I am manipulated to do so as well. Push comes to shove, its my loved ones life or yours.

We the common masses must step back from the brink, from being manipulated further please....

Originally posted by swash_buckle
Wow, anti-semitism runs strong on ATS.

You deal the anti-semtism card from the bottom of the deck. This is not about all people jewish, but about a Likud government commited to perverting Herzls ideas into their moral opposite.

Now the question, why is it that Israel is always the one who has to defend itself against agressors?

Because the militant settler party in charge of affairs believes, picking and elscalating fights makes for good bumperstickers in Israeli elections? Because they just keep making everybody mad at them with their borrowed military grandstanding?

If you had people smuggling, or attempting to smuggle guns/drugs etc into your country and you knew when they were coming, you would fight to the bitter end to stop them, and would tell everyone else to go to hell who said you were just the worlds trouble maker.

Turkeys port authority and every media camera in the area have fleeced the damn flotilla for weeks. There were neither guns nor drugs onboard until the IDF brought them there. Just a bunch of angry sailors, who would not comply to be forced into a port of Israels choice and have their cargo delayed infinitely by Israeli custom.

Double standards people.
Stop your ill informed hating.

Talking to yourself, again? Hope you listen.

reply to post by Mr Zeropoint


No other country in the world would you consider to smash a blockade to run in materials that said country had expressly forbidden.You would dare to try this with the Russians or Chinese or even the Koreans ,who by the way have a history of sinking ships when and how it choses. To do so would be to expect extreme or terminal retaliation. This is a real world situation and you obviously enjoy any opertunity to deride the Jewish People but i suppose you are not racist in the slightest!!!

Originally posted by Mr Zeropoint
reply to post by Everwatcher33

 

Need I say more ?

"ISRAELI'S CELEBRATING DEATHS OF AID WORKERS "
www.youtube.com...


[edit on 1-6-2010 by Mr Zeropoint]

That is just disgusting i wouldn't blame the Palestinian people in israel if they rioted now. Only disillusioned people celebrate the killing of civilian AID WORKERS as some kind of victory over an opposition.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by XenoStuffz

 

Perhaps i am not a good writer, thus you were unable to comprehend my meaning.

I think I understood your opinion, I just disagree with your reasons.

The only solution is to deflect the blame for their financial mismanagement through greed by starting wars to unite its people with righteous anger and forget about their economic woes.

The Turks did not start a war and dont have to, their ships were boarded and their people killed, when Israel tried to enforce its illegal blockade.
And compared to their neighbors their economy looks prime, so there is nothing Turkish politicians would have to compensate for before their electorate. Which absolutely destroys your "false flag" economy theory here.

In brief, Turkey is all that was left of the brutual Ottoman Empire of the 18th Century, dismantled with the help by the British and later by its own military of the hedious and mad corrupt Caliphates that ruled the empire for years.

In the 18th century Britain and America were still trading slaves for their cotton plants and the german Kaiser started wars with China to promote Opium trade.

The Muslims believed the Caliph is akin to a Christian Pope

And you sound like you still believe the Christian Pope is a natural superior to a Muslim Caliph..

Turkey for decades had been a secular ruled nation,

Exactly!!!!

but in recent times, the Islamics had won elections by using or misusing religion as a source for power, the way Iran did.

Erdogans party is hardly any more religious than Merkels christdemocratic Union in Germany

And with that power, its govt believes in restoring the Caliphate,

iTurkeys constitution expressively forbids that, and a very cranky and very secular military elite makes sure those laws are enforced,

with Turkey as the leader of the muslim world. The Turks will rule once again - that's the Turk islamists dream and ambition.

What better way than to start a skirmish with the jews, be seen as the hero, and let our fellow humans- the muslims-around the world be sacrificed as the Turks regain their domination over the muslim world, and making soveriegn states bow before the great Turkish Caliph in Ankara?

Your political analysis of Azeroths invasion of Lalaland would be actually funny, if you were not insulting lots of nice people in the process. Is your hatred of Turkey based on any bad experience in your personal history, or are you just quoting from your first history book ever, to illustrate your paranoid delusions and dont realize you talk about actual people?

I for one am ready for something to happen there. It matters little to me how catastrophic it is. If you are a student of history, or really apply any sort of emotional intelligence toward the tragedy of humanity's history, you should agree. Say what you will about religion, but the Abrahamic religions have debased the future of this planet. They are violent and empirical in design, and they have done nothing for two thousand years except destroy other peoples cultures and oppress the non-believers among them.

From a purely military standpoint, I find it laughable that so many people here are frothing at the mouth over Israel's tactics. What are they supposed to do? Pack up shop and leave? Cower to the terrorist harboring nations around them? If you answered yes to those questions, you most certainly possess a child-like innocence and naivety that I have come to admire about my fellow Americans.

If I woke up tomorrow and the entirety of the "Holy Land" did not exist from the arm-pit of the Mediterranean to the Pashtun Valley I would dance in the street, like so many Christian, Muslim and Jewish terrorists have over the years for the fate of their victims. The amount of negative energy being produced all because somebody else lives where another person's imaginary friend gave a speech or got suspended from so much wood is getting a bit tiresome.