Turkish Navy will Escort aid to Gaza

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A video showing Israelis celebrating the killing of unarmed peace workers

Absolutely disgusting...

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WarWar War

Come on people lets think about this.
Maybe Israel should check the load on the ships and pass it over Palestine.
Simple isnt it.

Then any further loads are pre inspected by Israel

Bottom line is Palestine and any other person on earth deserves food and the basics in life.

Something weird and unusual I read in the BBC report:

Captain Aria Shaliker of the Israel Defense Forces, who was part of the operation on Monday, says the commandos began the raids armed with paint ball guns.

news.bbc.co.uk...

You can see in the vid that a few soldiers really do have paintball guns...

Why the hell would you board a ship with paintball guns? .. You can see them land, start shooting their paintball guns, then get over run by people with all kinds of things, mostly wooden planks or bars by the looks of it .. they even tossed a guy overboard..

Still no word on WHY they even tried to raid the ship though. If it was truly a threat, they wouldn't have used paintball guns.. just weird.

If my neighbor blocked my house I would be pissed. I would be even more upset if my other neighboroffered to help then was killed doing it.

I am neutral on the whole Religion thing. So my thinking seems to be clearer then others on this. I do know the Jews we're hurt badly by the Nazi's. Saying this maybe they should remember what that felt like before acting almost the same way to the other Middle East countries.

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how is saying someone is twelve an extreme violation...maybe the moderators should have different font than everyone else so everyone can see it better ppl dont have time to read every post

Folks,

Remember that 'Kill List'?

Well I've assembled the screenshots from the 'Kill list' into one big image.

Feel free to repost it wherever you want:

The images are from this site:

www.dunyabulteni.net...

Originally posted by SparKzzz

A big, nasty, terrible war with LOTS of deaths on both sides, and who knows if it wouldn't escelate into a world war three and a nuclear holocaust at the end of it?

You guys just want to see Israel off the map no matter at what costs,
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Just one moment before you enter total paranoid overspin. There are some hotshot kiddies on this forum, who show a hollywoodiszed idea of international conflicts and are all in favor of talking about exploding ships and armed wrestling moves. This is a conspiracy forum after all, so wingnuts and moonbats are part of the landscape.

But, Israel has committed an act of war against a NATO-Country by boarding a ship running a turkish flag. Turkey can't ignore this. There is just no way to.

The IDF had an array of different options to keep the Flotilla away from Gaza. Crossing their route, warning them off, shooting before the bow, using water hoses or sound devices to drive them off.
Nethanyahu hoped to avoid a lot of media attention and instead ordered an ambush on them, precisely timed for Veterans Day, Eurovision Song Contest, Gulf Spill and Euro Bailout

And the IDF botched it. They got into a brawl with some angry sailors and started to shoot people.
A LOT of them unarmed turkish citizens. That incident wont be forgotten after the weekend.
All that public Israel showd so far is tacit acceptance of the killings. Just about the position you seem to defend so staunchly on this forum.

What is your proposal for a NATO-reaction to that? We are the most expensive military power in the world, but we decide to just ignore an attack on a vital member, because Mr. Netanyahu sees fit to woe his domestic electorate with military machoisms?

Could you elaborate on your idea of a matching NATO-respionse? Or on how you see Mr. Netanyahus schemings as being helpful in the survival of Israel, while embarrassing its regional allies?

Turkey is totally pissed off, even the Greeks show solidarity with them, and they are certainly not best pals. Elected officials froma lot of EU nations were on board, including at least Norway and Germany, and were in turn endangered in this ambush.
Turkey sends its ships to force Israel into an international debate about its actions and Israel should better cough up some new ideas about future relations for that meeting. There will be far more time to talk, than Israel will like to, while turkish and israeli ships circle each other in the Mediterranean.

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Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by NecromancerYHVH

 

As to Escalation I don't think Turkey has anything technologically compared to Israel

The Turkish Army is one of the largest standing armies in the world and the second largest army of NATO.
The Army can conduct air assault operations with a lift capability of up to six battalions at a time, day and night.
The Turkish Navy has historically been one of the largest sea powers of the Mediterranean.
Submarines can individually navigate up to 28,000 km and return back to their home bases.
The Turkish Navy has around 51,000 active personnel
The Turkish Gendarmerie has around 100,000 active personnel and 50,000 reserves
The Turkish Air Force is one of the oldest air forces in the world and operates one of the largest combat aircraft fleets of NATO
Not a soft touch by any means

en.wikipedia.org...

The Israeli forces can call on over 5 million trained individuals.

The Israelis will not allow a foreign power to dictate policy to them, they don't even allow the US to dictate policy to them......

Last heard, the Israelis had between 200 and 300 nuclear warheads, Turkey has how many?

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Where does it show 'Kill list'? Unless I see evidence of this, it might aswell be 'best employee of the month'.

Originally posted by Clairaudience
Finally, I waited for the warmongering on this one, its time for Turkey to flex its muscles and give Israel a nice slap in its face. I completely agree with Turkeys move, aid is desperately needed at Gaza. WTH is Israel thinking anyway?! They need to learn a lesson pretty fast before this gets out of control.

Israel is right to teach the Muppets a lesson in Gaza.

It is amazing that they simply can't see if they stop throwing rockets (yes, I know they're only small one's) into Israel, then maybe they will start to be treated more fairly?

Yes, you could say that they do it because of their treatment but personally, I am on Israel's side on this one!

When the school bully keeps poking and annoying you, he needs to be punished and taught a lesson, simple!!

Originally posted by Skellon


The Israeli forces can call on over 5 million trained individuals.

The Israelis will not allow a foreign power to dictate policy to them, they don't even allow the US to dictate policy to them......

Israel can kiss his economy goodbye if it loses its favored status in EU trade agreements. Turkey has been attacked, but does not have to shoot one bullet to win this war. If Turkey keeps just playing its diplomatic cards right, Israel will be forced to consessions by either UN or NATO. If Turkey threatens to leave the treaty, a Mr. Obama will hardly be in the position or even willing to veto the next set of UN sanctions against Israel.

Originally posted by XenoStuffz

Originally posted by Skellon


The Israeli forces can call on over 5 million trained individuals.

The Israelis will not allow a foreign power to dictate policy to them, they don't even allow the US to dictate policy to them......

Israel can kiss his economy goodbye if it loses its favored status in EU trade agreements. Turkey has been attacked, but does not have to shoot one bullet to win this war. If Turkey keeps just playing its diplomatic cards right, Israel will be forced to consessions by either UN or NATO. If Turkey threatens to leave the treaty, a Mr. Obama will hardly be in the position or even willing to veto the next set of UN sanctions against Israel.

Or the US just bumps up the billions of US tax dollars it sends them each year.

If you are American, carefull what you wish for, it would be you that finances the 'pay rise'.

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At the end of the day, whoever these people were, wherever they came from, to try and land 10,000 tonnes of goods in Gaza, a place where they are banned is completely crazy!

It's like a load of civilians on boats from South Korea heading to the North to give their relatives new TV's, fancy bottles of wine and other BANNED things!

You just don't do that sort of thing and not expect to be MET by force, durhh!!

www.timesonline.co.uk...

They have reportedly been given the choice between accepting deportation or to be tried in an Israeli court.

They told reporters the Israelis beat activists with clubs and used electric shocks, and said they heard shooting aboard the Turkish boat ahead of theirs.

“The ship turned into a lake of blood,” Nilufer Cetin told reporters. “We were aware of the possible danger; in joining the trip, but there are thousands of babies in Gaza. If we had reached Gaza we would have played with them and taken them food.”

Soldiers had tazers as well then.

The US Navy veteran

Joe Meadors, 63, of Texas, is a Navy veteran. His wife Jean said yesterday evening that she believed he was safe, “but I’d like to hear that from him.” She said his exact status, whether under arrest, detention or otherwise, was unclear.

Mr Meadors served aboard the U.S. Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty that was attacked by Israeli forces in 1967, killing 34 crew members. “He hasn’t had much luck with the Israelis,” his wife said.

Six Greeks, including a crew member, returning to Athens today told reporters that Israeli commandos boarded the boats in international waters about 80-90 mile off the Israeli coast.

80 miles is in international waters.

The Journalists

Two Australian journalists and two other Australian womere were being detained in Be’ersheva detention centre and their safety had been confirmed, Australian officials said. An Australian man on board the ship underwent surgery after being shot in the leg.

Even shooting journalists now.

wouldnt isreal just play the waiting game now though? i think this news of turkey helping out is great at least someone is finally getting involved...but i can just see isreal allowing this next shipment through...and waiting untill a shipment arrives without a turkish escort at which point isreal will just step in again.

nothing really gets solved

Originally posted by minkey53
At the end of the day, whoever these people were, wherever they came from, to try and land 10,000 tonnes of goods in Gaza, a place where they are banned is completely crazy!

It's like a load of civilians on boats from South Korea heading to the North to give their relatives new TV's, fancy bottles of wine and other BANNED things!

You just don't do that sort of thing and not expect to be MET by force, durhh!!

I loved your post, really encouraging to see that I am not the only one free of a blind fold.

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you have to be kidding me..

true fact that more people died yesterday in israeli's unwarranted raid, than from hezbellah/hamas's rocket attacks...its a blatant violation of international law, this is the only the beginning folks.

if you starve an animal and bleed it to death (such as whats happening in palestine right now, shortage of EVERYTHING) isn't reprisal expected? but they havent even gotten that far, there were generators, water cleansing kits on those boats that ...i hope gets to them some war or another.

don't try to justify israels actions whatsoever, nobody can whole-heartedly agree.

For those of you who think that Obama will not continue to support Israel and that Turkey provides a deadly adversary to Israel.

Sit back, grab your popcorn and enjoy the presentation:

Or just skip to 2:42




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Nice job,

Please post more of this. Maybe it will then show the American public how complicit they are in the atrocities Israel commits.

Myself here in the UK have never gone on a demonstration or took part in any protest, But i tell you now if my country tries to side with Israel in any future conflicts, I will be taking to the streets.

Originally posted by [davinci]
[ they engineer a crisis to negotiate out of. Look at the breakdown...

-Isreal is not found guilty of an illegal blockade.
-Isreali leaders save face by being 'forced' to capitulate over aid.
-Isreal does not have to answer questions on it's nukes.


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Starred for most insightful political projection, that I have read so far on the topic. I guess, thats at least how Netanyahu planned it. I just dont see, how the "Israel found not guilty"-part works with the tacit acceptance of the killing of Turkish citizens while ambushing an unarmed vessel. Israels behaviour just seems to get more and more erratic over time, with both Mossad and IDF botching mission after mission.

Eurovision song contest, Veterans Day, Lousiana Oil spill, Greek Bailout and the spontaneous resignation of Germanys formal head of state, could have helped international media to ignore a smooth operation, ...

..but having brawls on foreign ships and shooting peace activists in the process will leave a lot of people with lasting scars to tell the story. Someone will have to fill in probable cause at the guys death certificates, and I dont see anyone making the case for "shooting accident" so far.

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