Pelosi to Aspiring Musicians: Quit Your Job, Taxpayers Will Cover Your Health Care

Originally posted by Libertygal
This was covered on Fox News this morning. They had two people on discussing the soundbyte, and from what I saw, they all said the exact same thing.

What she said in the video and the OP interpretation was dead on.

I know, Fox News is not a credible source.~

So even though she never said it...all of you are SURE that is what she meant.

Hell...why does anyone even need to talk anymore if all of you just "know" what someone means. Their words obviously don't mean anything because you don't listen to those...you just make up what you want to hear.


I'll open the question up to anyone here.

Did Pelosi every say "Musicians, Quit your job, Taxpayers will cover your health care."????


I'm going to bet I'm not going to get one straight forward "yes" or "no" from anyone.

[edit on 17-5-2010 by OutKast Searcher]

reply to post by dragnet53

From the stuff I have read about you on ATS I am going to say that you are definitely a partisan hack.

That is fine...you are free to your opinion.

I just find it funny that you follow up that post with this one

sweet so I can quit my job and people can pay for my health care? But what about my other bills does it also cover the cost Pelosi??

How the hell does a house wife have that much power? I don't mind women in power just as long as they are educated, but her I don't have a clue at all.

You go ahead and try that...go quit your job if that is honestly what you think she is saying.

I'm just going to let the "house wife" comments speak for themself.

reply to post by lpowell0627

Oh brother. Small business owners have already said this is going to kill their business.

BINGO!!

“Today the NFIB joined the 20 states in this historic lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The fundamental mission of our organization is to promote and protect the rights of small businesses and the self-employed to own, operate and grow their business, and this healthcare law directly undermines this core value.

“We didn’t enter into the decision to join this lawsuit lightly – we have been representing small business owners since 1943 and we take this responsibility extremely seriously. But the outpouring of opposition to this new law was overwhelming and our members urged us to do everything in our power to stop this unconstitutional law.

“Small business owners everywhere are rightfully concerned that the unconstitutional new mandates, countless rules and new taxes in the healthcare law will devastate their business and their ability to create jobs.

“They are also concerned about their personal freedoms. This law is the first time the federal government has required individuals to purchase something simply because they are alive. If Congress can regulate this type of inactivity, then there are essentially no limits to what they can mandate individuals to do.

“We want to make it very clear: NFIB has a long history of working on and supporting healthcare reform. We are not part of the ‘Just say no’ crowd. Small businesses DO need reforms that help to reduce costs and increase choices. We have encouraged reforms that cover pre-existing conditions, help to create effective and affordable national exchanges, provide the ability to buy across state lines, and include liability reform. But this new law resulted in more bad than good for our nation’s job creators. And this law is a bridge too far in terms of the future of our constitutional freedoms and liberties.”

www.nfib.com...

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

“We see it as an entrepreneurial bill,” Pelosi said, “a bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care.”

video in link
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She even added that "you don't have to be job locked"

Sure, she didn't directly say that Taxpayers will cover you. However, in reality it will be the taxpayers who foot the bill for the nearly 50% of our population who have Zero tax liability.

What kind of nonsense is this? Keep in mind that there are plenty of people in this nation who thought Obama would pay their bills for them with "Obama Money".

This type of rhetoric from Pelosi is directed at these fragile individuals. Why be job locked when you can live off the govt and learn to play the Nose Flute?

Last time I checked being a YouTube virtuoso does not pay squat!!!!

EDit to add:
Pelosi failed to mention who will pay for your mortgage, rent, food and utilities while you pursue your passion. Glad to know that you can live in a cardboard box, play the nose flute, eat from a trash can and still have health care coverage. It makes perfect sense to me. I just need to find a box big enough for my family of four.

[edit on 17-5-2010 by jibeho]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by GAOTU789
And this is the woman who is two steps away from being president?

That was my first thought. She's job security for Obama.

Nancy has never been one of my favorite people. I just wonder who will feed, clothe and house these people that she encourages to quit their jobs? Yeah, they'll have health care, but you can't survive on health care.

And my second thought on this was that people were actually afraid of Palin being "one step from the presidency". Pelosi is no better and maybe even worse.

The other thing is Pelosi's pure arrogance (not stupidity IMO) in saying something like this. She knows it will enrage millions of Americans, but obviously thinks she's untouchable and so just doesn't care.

reply to post by jibeho

Sure, she didn't directly say that Taxpayers will cover you.

That is all I really need to read up to...because everything after that is an attempted justification to put words into her mouth and pretending you know what she "meant".

Here is a concept...a musician or artist may make enough money pursuing their music or art to get by, pay their bills, but not enough to afford individual health care insurance plans. Now with this bill you don't have to be "job locked" in order to get affordable insurance (in theory...as it is not yet in practice). This would apply to a lot of Seniors too...there are many people who hold a job just for the insurance. If you now don't need to be "job locked" to get insurance...you can quite...free that job up...and still get insurance.

No where is it implied that she is saying the government will pay for your insurance. That is just complete fantasy made up by all of you wanting to create a controversy.


There is a lot of ASSuming going on here...why not just stick with what was said...even if it doesn't push your agenda. Let's not turn into Fox News and just pretend we know what they are "really thinking".

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by jibeho

 

Sure, she didn't directly say that Taxpayers will cover you.

That is all I really need to read up to...because everything after that is an attempted justification to put words into her mouth and pretending you know what she "meant".

Stop trying to cover for Pelosi.

So, she didn't use the exact words "the taxpayers will cover you".

What part of this quote from the OP actually means anything different?

“We see it as an entrepreneurial bill,” Pelosi said, “a bill that says to someone, if you want to be creative and be a musician or whatever, you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care.”

She did say "We see it as an entrepreneurial bill". WTH?

She did say "you can leave your work, focus on your talent, your skill, your passion, your aspirations because you will have health care.”

If someone leaves their job that they had to help them obtain healthcare, and then let's the government provide it, exactly WHO do you think will foot the bill? Only a Pelosi-lib-dem sycophant would think it was not the taxpayers.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

No where is it implied that she is saying the government will pay for your insurance. That is just complete fantasy made up by all of you wanting to create a controversy.

Who is going to pay for it then? She stated that these folks will have healthcare coverage. Plain and simple. Someone will pay for it. Perhaps taxes collected by the govt. will fund this magic coverage.

Do you really believe that this is free healthcare coverage?

Did you read the verbatim quote or watch her lips move in the video? She also said that people didn't have to worry about being job locked in order to have health care coverage.

Perhaps you can speak for Pelosi to tell us all what she really meant without talking in circles??

This seems rather cut and dry to me.

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[edit on 17-5-2010 by jibeho]

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Madame Pelosi was implying just that, and you know it very well. That's exactly what a lot of folks, not just aspiring musicians, will take from that little speech... Meanwhile, who gets stuck paying for this boondoggle, and just incidentally putting off our own dreams? That would be those of us who pay our taxes, work too many hours, yet still have dreams, but also the maturity to pay our own way...

I'm hoping for a November bloodbath at the polling place... I'm certainly going to do my part...

reply to post by centurion1211

If someone leaves their job that they had to help them obtain healthcare, and then let's the government provide it, exactly WHO do you think will foot the bill?

So being a musician or an artist is not a job?

Sure...they don't make a ton of money...but they make money. Maybe not enought to buy private insurance AT TODAY'S RATES...but if they go down then maybe they could leave that "day job" and focus on their music/art.

reply to post by seagull

Madame Pelosi was implying just that, and you know it very well.

Only if you make some great logical leaps and do a lot of assuming of what she "really meant".


Taken at face value...her comments do not imply that she is saying they will get free healthcare. Only if you make assumptions can you come to that conclusion.

You guys are acting like musicians and artists don't make money...it is pretty funny.

reply to post by seagull


I come to the conclusion, when I read some post that is people in this nation that actually believe those that have a meaningful job that do not qualify for services are responsible for those that do not work and depend on government benefits and hand outs.

As a tax payer in the paying end of the tax deal I am outrage that people think they are entitle to our hard earned money.

But then again no wonder our nation is in the hole that it is as people think the government owns them everything but they don't understand that is not the government paying, is the tax payer.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by centurion1211

 

If someone leaves their job that they had to help them obtain healthcare, and then let's the government provide it, exactly WHO do you think will foot the bill?

So being a musician or an artist is not a job?

Sure...they don't make a ton of money...but they make money. Maybe not enought to buy private insurance AT TODAY'S RATES...but if they go down then maybe they could leave that "day job" and focus on their music/art.

The above post - either a sign of total denseness or a deflection attempt.

The quote in the OP "implies" that musicians are holding 2 jobs to ply their trade AND pay for healthcare. Pelosi quite clearly (to almost everyone) "implies" that they can quit the 2nd job (the one paying for their healthcare) so they can concentrate on just playing music (because the taxpayers will now be picking up their healthcare tab).

Just ...

reply to post by centurion1211

The quote in the OP "implies" that musicians are holding 2 jobs to ply their trade AND pay for healthcare.

Correct...would you argue that this isn't the case for many individuals...not just "musicians"???

Pelosi quite clearly (to almost everyone) "implies" that they can quit the 2nd job (the one paying for their healthcare) so they can concentrate on just playing music

Correct.

"Just playing music" does earn you money.

(because the taxpayers will now be picking up their healthcare tab).

INCORRECT.

This is where you have to make some serious logical leaps and assume you know what she "really meant" to come to this conclusion.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by seagull

 

Madame Pelosi was implying just that, and you know it very well.

Only if you make some great logical leaps and do a lot of assuming of what she "really meant".

That's called listening/reading between the lines. It's what one does when listening to lifelong politicians speak.

Taken at face value...her comments do not imply that she is saying they will get free healthcare. Only if you make assumptions can you come to that conclusion.

Taken at face value? That's more than a little naive, don't you think? Her comments imply just that. Do you take all politicians at their word, or just the one's you agree with? Curious.

You guys are acting like musicians and artists don't make money...it is pretty funny.

If they're making money, they don't really need my tax money, do they?

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by seagull

 

I come to the conclusion, when I read some post that is people in this nation that actually believe those that have a meaningful job that do not qualify for services are responsible for those that do not work and depend on government benefits and hand outs.

Strange isn't it? We work, pay our taxes, but don't qualify for these programs, yet I'm expected to help pay for them? There's something really wrong with this picture.

As a tax payer in the paying end of the tax deal I am outrage that people think they are entitle to our hard earned money.

I'm with you in the outrage, Marg. I see this sense of entitlement all the time in the store I work in. ...and it pisses me off, every single time.

But then again no wonder our nation is in the hole that it is as people think the government owns them everything but they don't understand that is not the government paying, is the tax payer.

This sense of entitlement is part of the reason we're in the fix we're in. Other than a catastrophic health issue, or an act of God that prevents you from working, and paying your way, (this is going to sound cold, and it is) you don't deserve my tax money. You need help, I'm there, and so too should my tax money be...but for free loading because you want to spend time playing your guitar, or video games? Oh, hell no. Get a job like the rest of us. I can't pay for my dreams, why the hell should I pay for someone elses? Selfish? Yeah. It's my money.

Pelosi's comments only serve to give people even more false hope and security.

How many people really have the true talent to live comfortably off of their "art" and "music"? Who will pay for art supplies and equipment and travel expenses and recording studio time for these aspiring folks? Marketing? Production? yadda yadda yadda. What is the time limit here for these folks to be good enough to pay back into the system again?

The perceived naivete is a bit much for those who are taking Pelosi seriously.

reply to post by seagull

That's called listening/reading between the lines. It's what one does when listening to lifelong politicians speak.

That is all fine and good...but you can't go out and spread lies saying she said something she didn't. You can be personally SUSPICIOUS about what she says...but to say that she is definatley telling people to quit their jobs and let the "Taxpayers cover your health care" is not reading between the lines. That is spreading mis-information and propaganda.

Taken at face value? That's more than a little naive, don't you think? Her comments imply just that. Do you take all politicians at their word, or just the one's you agree with? Curious.

Yes...you take them at face value and be personally suspicious of what they say. If in the future her actions betray those words...then you have some evidence that she may have, MAY HAVE, been implying something else. If you are going to just assume everything is a lie, and you already "know" what they mean...then why even listen to it, discuss it, or point it out???

You do not go out in public and state that you know what they really meant. This is dishonest and quite frankly ignorant.

Tell me...do you think it is possible for two people to "read between the lines" and come to different conclusions to what that person is "really saying"??? Who is right?

And yes...I do this with everyone...if you can find me mis-quoting someone and saying I "know that is what they really meant"...go ahead.

If they're making money, they don't really need my tax money, do they?

Ummm...yeah...bingo. Which is why the words "taxpayers will cover your health care" was never said.


Tell me...you seem like an honest person. Do you think the article and the OP are being dishonest by attributin that quote ("Quit your job, Taxpayers will cover your health care") to Pelosi when she never said those words...she in fact never said the word "taxpayer"??? Do you think that is a little bit dishonest???

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Tell me...you seem like an honest person. Do you think the article and the OP are being dishonest by attributin that quote ("Quit your job, Taxpayers will cover your health care") to Pelosi when she never said those words...she in fact never said the word "taxpayer"??? Do you think that is a little bit dishonest???

No.

I think it is you that is either being disingenuous (at best) or dishonest (at worst) with your continuous attempts to defend Pelosi.

reply to post by centurion1211


Here you go... Link to previous post in THIS THREAD ...here is how much I'm defending Pelosi.


So you don't think it is dishonest to attribute a quote to someone when they never said it???