Female posters incapable of original thought?

Originally posted by Aresh Troxit
I think that some of the sexists comments must be made by A) morons wanting to say what they wouldn't dare in FRONT of a woman, and B) people coming from countries where the culture allows the put down of women.

Those are good points. Some people hide behind their screen names and know they can get away with more without it affecting their lives in any way. Being banned from a website doesn't really affect us once we step away from the computer. As for part of it being the result of cultural norms, I'm sure that explains some of the hostility as well.

So to ease the growing fury, I said I would look at the names of the employees, only to find to my great surprise ( and secret delight, but not in a mean way ) that the only man working for the newspaper was... the photograph! I couldn't stop laughing, and they were speechless... It's such a sad story...

Oh wow... You, sir, are a brave brave man.

Seriously, I hope your thread opens the eyes of some who are rude to you ladies, or at least, make all of us others more aware of the situation and help deal when a similar situation arises.

That's my hope. It would be unrealistic to expect this or any other thread to change the behavior and attitude of the minority who make those comments. If others are more aware of the problem, though it could at least help nip it in the bud. That goes for posts from female posters that are targeted at male posters, as well.

I think it has to do with how people were brought up, view the world, and experiences that have happened to them.

Some good examples would be the democrats vs republicans, the illegal debate, church, ufo's, or anything that has more than one side.

Some people were raised democrat or republican so that is what they become, other have become one or the other by how the view each parties ideals. Maybe they shook the hand of the president and he bought him a beer and they sat and talked and that person now is a devoted republican or democrat.

The point i'm trying to make is they are what they are. Try not and get mad about it just try to understand that not all people think alike. I could turn blue in the face trying to get my point across to some people about my views of illegals but it won't change there minds. They have to make up there own decision based on what they think is right or wrong.

My only advice is try and learn from how you feel about this and try and make it a point to not do the same to others that you feel has been done to you. For instance, try to not call someone and idiot, racist or moron because they don't think how you think, it is the same thing that has upset you, just in a different context.

Added. I try to follow my own advice but it can be very hard to follow it

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Trudge]

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
If you are going to make a claim, then you should back it up with some sort of facts...or else don't make the claim.

Yes, that is what in my opinion you should have done...and this even applies if it makes you look like an ass...or just take it up with that ONE MEMBER via U2U instead of creating a sh*tstorm and causing even more division on ATS.

To me that would make me no better than the posters who demean someone's intelligence based solely on gender. My apologies, but I hold myself to a higher standard than that and refuse to sink to that level just because someone wants to accuse me of making it up. If you like, I can send you the link to the thread they're in via U2U so you can see it for yourself but I'm not going to post links directly to the comments here in the thread. Especially since I wouldn't do it without that posters permission and I guarantee they won't give it to me.

reply to post by Blaine91555

which is the only way this could possible go?

you sure it's the only way? i could think of a few other ways.
like, oh, agreeing that misogyny exists in the world, and that some cultures have it in such abundance, they want to share it with the rest of the planet. and we ladies is a'thinkin', "oh heck no."

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by riley

 

Can you seriously not see multiple people (in this thread and others) having this exact same opinion of you???

Coincidentally those multiple people who have this same opinion of me also share the same kind of negative opinions of all women.

Not all ats males are like that however.. in fact I'd say you're part of a very vocal minority. Most men and fine with the idea of women having brains.

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reply to post by Jenna


I understand that...and that is why I think if the topic is going to be discussed it shouldn't start with a general accusation to the whole of the male ATS community. By stating that and you knowing in your head who the people you are talking about, but no one else does...it creates a hostile environment.

You will have some men thinking..."Is she talking about me? Did I accidentally say something that was taken the wrong way?"

You will have some men thinking..."HEY...I don't do that...why is she putting me in this group"

You will have some women thinking "I wonder who these guys are she is talking about...now I'm goint to be on the lookout and find them"

And you will have some women thinking "I know EXACTLY who she is talking about...it is that scum bag then she will come here in support of this thread assuming you and her are talking about the same person...but may not be.



It turned into this big drama event because it started with an accusation:

Over the years since I first joined ATS, something has been bothering me. There seems to be a persistent belief that women are somehow incapable of understanding some issues or that they should essentially know their place. This isn’t an opinion voiced by all male posters, nor is it my intention to imply such a thing, but it has been voiced on occasion and it typically shows up in the middle of an otherwise civil discussion. What I’d like to understand is why this view is held at all. How did it come about? Why, in this day and age, is it still held at all?

I know you said not all male posters...but you still cast a rather large net to let everyone elses immaginations and accusations begin.



I think it could of been discussed better without the accusation being the focus of your OP...I think it could of been better as more of a question without suggesting it is already common practice on ATS.


I'm out for the night...will check back in later.

reply to post by andy1033

Why are males only priests?

You mean why only males are Priests? Because organized religion teaches that men are superior to women, and that women are to "obey" men, this line was in the marriage vows until just a few years ago. In ancient times women were not allowed to own land, or slaves, to have money of their own, and were not allowed to go and come as they pleased as today.
When I was a child in the 1950s and 60s, women were expected to stay at home and raise the kids, do the washing and ironing, and please the man whenever he requested it. With the late 60s, woman's liberation came into vogue, bras were burned, and the rest is history. Women still have to seek relief from the courts sometimes, the latest class action suit against Walmart attests to that.

I was raised and taught to "man up" to any situation, to "be a man" in the eyes of my elders. I couldn't do it, for reasons best left unsaid, and have always thought of women to be the Divine Creators of all of us. I got into a huge argument in church once over this very issue, why does everything that we know of have two genders, while the one God is only male, and has no wife?

Through the years I have been married a few times, once for 29 years to the same woman, and in this, have learned a few things. Number one thing is, there is not one man in the universe that fully understands women, how they think, and what they want. Not one can be found. Want to tell me again that a male created all of this, including us of the human race, male and female? Number tow, I have learned that women have a much faster reaction time than men do. Shirley Muldowney is a very good example of this. Women have a remarkable sense of stamina, like Joan of Arc exhibited, even as the priests, who had raped her to keep from putting a virgin to death, let her to the burning stake.
Rosa Parks had stamina and strength. Amelia Earhart is another brave woman. We need more women like these I mentioned. I'm not talking about Sarah Palin either, I mean strong, intelligent women to lead America out of this greedy man controlled empiric police state we have become.

By the way, my wife posts in here too, and she easily understands everything I tell her. She is smart, pretty, and like to talk and listen, and she is 1/2 my age. Guess I learned a few things along the way, huh?

reply to post by riley

Coincidentally those multiple people who have this same opinion of me also share the same kind of negative opinions of all women.

Not all ats males are like that however.. in fact I'd say you're part of a very vocal minority. Most men and fine with the idea of women having brains.

And there you go...accusing me of something that you have no proof of.

Please show me where I display evidence that I have this "negative opinion of all women".

Originally posted by andy1033

I would not be surprised that many females are doing this to males for no reason.

Of course that makes you females feel intelligent, does it really. Intelligence is supposed to be about critical thinking, lol. Not one female i met in my life ever had that.

For information purposes, here is another example of what the OP is trying to discuss. As we can see from this in thread example, we have gross generalization of females.

In the first sentence, we have the female aggressor against man theory espoused. Clearly this poster feels victimized by women, and unfortunately it spills into his her posts.

The second sentence is a generalization, you females, objectifying us.

Of course then he ends this anti female tirade with the real nuts and bolts core of his her beliefs....that NO FEMALE including by his her reasoning mother sisters or grandmother, can critically think.



Of course what we despise is often times hatred towards our own faults.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by hotbakedtater]

A man..talking about insight and understanding of women....how unusual...how rare...how misguided. But then, that is half the problem isnt it.



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Originally posted by Blaine91555
Now that a topic about a tiny number of people who may have offended you somehow has control of the front page, do you still think this is a worthwhile thread?

Yes I do. I've never written a thread that has gotten more than a page or two of posts in the 4 years I've been here. I never expected this one to get the attention it's gotten. At most I expected a handful of comments and then for the thread to disappear to the depths of the forum.

I still believe it's a worthwhile thread because this isn't about me. It's not about someone attacking me. It's not about me having my poor little feelings hurt. The comments that inspired my OP weren't even directed at me. They were directed at another female poster who wasn't even logged in at the time to defend herself. You know what she did wrong? She asked a question. In response she was told that she wasn't capable of understanding the topic and should get back to the more neutral topics where she'd be better capable of contributing to the thread. You don't see that as a topic that needs to be addressed?

Christians are insulted here constantly and non-stop. Jews are insulted here constantly and non-stop. Americans are insulted here constantly and non-stop. This is a diverse place.

Yes, and the people doing the insulting are called out on it by male and female posters alike. Do you realize how often female posters have to take on the people doing the insulting alone while the rest of the male posters turn their heads and ignore the problem? I assure you it happens.

If you have a problem with some individual, why present it as if it a systemic problem when it is not? To dredge up the old battle of the sexes? If somebody broke the T&C, report them individually instead of trying to start a war of the sexes which is the only way this could possible go?

This thread was actually progressing rather well and contained well-thought out posts until someone took it upon themselves to attack because they disagreed with the OP. Up til that point, there was no battle of the sexes taking place. Am I to be held personally responsible for those who can't discuss a topic without resorting to attacks?

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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I understand that...and that is why I think if the topic is going to be discussed it shouldn't start with a general accusation to the whole of the male ATS community. By stating that and you knowing in your head who the people you are talking about, but no one else does...it creates a hostile environment.

What really gets me about the paragraph above is that you acknowledged later in this post that I clearly stated I wasn't accusing the entire male community at ATS in the OP by quoting it. Yet here you say that I was accusing every male member here.

I think it could of been discussed better without the accusation being the focus of your OP...I think it could of been better as more of a question without suggesting it is already common practice on ATS.

There was no accusation as a focus to my OP. In fact, I even stated my intended focus:

My focus for this thread though isn’t sexism in general, but the mistaken belief that being female makes someone incapable of original thought and/or incapable of understanding a topic put forth for discussion.

My intended focus was the belief that the claim is true and discussing why it's believed. Not who said what in what thread.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by riley

 

Coincidentally those multiple people who have this same opinion of me also share the same kind of negative opinions of all women.

Not all ats males are like that however.. in fact I'd say you're part of a very vocal minority. Most men and fine with the idea of women having brains.

And there you go...accusing me of something that you have no proof of.

Please show me where I display evidence that I have this "negative opinion of all women".

Indeed it was your accusations that I was responding to. You were even desperate enough to start citing witnesses to prove my guilt to justify your little witch hunt. Those witnesses have repetively expressed incredibly negative opinions of all women.. not just me.

Here are two threads to peruse. If you can read these two threads (recent) and say that you see nothing relating to the OP, then please explain how you see them that way. These two threads are shining examples of the ingrained and subtle antifemale emotion some men are it seems programmed by society to feel, and the programming needs to be broken!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is but one example of what is at topic:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

From the other thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



The threads exisit. The female as lesser attitude exists. It exists in real life too.

Men, do YOU get called Sunshine at YOUR job?

reply to post by sirnex


So what do you think about women who return to work after they are done breast feeding and before the child has to go to school?

edit: took out comment to respect OP's wishes (thought the OP didn't request I do it, it was my own decision)

[edit on 7-5-2010 by nunya13]

Here's an evil thought - women are commonly thought of as creatures of there emotions - emotions brought on partially by estrogen.

Overweight males develop increased levels of estrogen which leads to increasingly emotional behavior.

America is fatter than ever and more bleeding heart liberal than ever. Also more likely to believe what they hear more than ever.

A connection ? A plot ?


Or maybe women in general are as self centered and uncertain as 4.3 million years of evolution has programed them to be.




[edit on 7-5-2010 by circuitsports]

Well, here's some food for thought...

We don't REALLY know the genders of most of our posters... and since, as the OP states, its really hard to think people would agree with this notion in this day and age, I argue that those posters are in fact FEMALE! females that are trying to stir up trouble... perhaps to achieve something???

... well, this is a conspiracy site...

how is this topic NOT sexist? women have brains too believe it or not.