UN is Coming for your Guns

Hello,

Just throwing this out there...In the USA, Women and African Americans had to fight hard for the RIGHT to vote...ask any Woman or African American if they would easily give up that RIGHT? The RIGHT to bear arms has been around a lot longer

Originally posted by hawkiye

The treaty does not apply to free Americans only to employees of the Corporation known as the United States.

So who is a free American?

An who is an employee of the US corporation?

Originally posted by v3_exceed

For the record, our regular forces are some of the best trained in the world. They compare to most countries elite or special forces. Ask any ex military or current military personnel what they think of Canada's forces.

I agree that Canadian military forces are some of the best in the world. The problem is that your entire military won't even fill up a US Football stadium. And your Navy is like - 10 ships?

Originally posted by v3_exceed
In addition, there is zero...ZERO chance the USA will ever attack Canada as there is ZERO chance Russia will. So you will be stomping no one, not even the guy who will come for your guns. Like I said, I wish it were different, but you will turn over your guns.

How about if YOU come on down here and try to take my guns - - -

[edit on 14-3-2010 by itguysrule]

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In the End though , the Only thing they will Really " Collect " is LEAD.........

Originally posted by v3_exceed

Originally posted by treemanx

Uh, right. And either what kind of excessive permits and fees did you have to go through to get those guns, or what silly American believed you were just moving from British Columbia and needed to use your Canadian ID to make the sale? (Alot of Canadians will say they are moving and haven't gotten their new American State License yet, so could they just use their Canadian one!? They do this to buy guns from Americans and take them back to Canada.)

And for the record, try it now, we would stomp you.

[edit on 14-3-2010 by treemanx]

I took a one day course on firearm safety +/- 300$
I filed for the license for restricted and non restricted firearms. 75$
I bought a Beretta .40 Cal - too much $$

For the record, our regular forces are some of the best trained in the world. They compare to most countries elite or special forces. Ask any ex military or current military personnel what they think of Canada's forces.

In addition, there is zero...ZERO chance the USA will ever attack Canada as there is ZERO chance Russia will. So you will be stomping no one, not even the guy who will come for your guns. Like I said, I wish it were different, but you will turn over your guns.

..Ex

OK, so $375.00 later, plus the purchase of the Beretta 96 (which is around $600.00 the last time I bought one), and probably pretty excessive BG checks, you were able to buy a pistol. Yay for you. You paid too much and waited too long for something that should have been easy and less expensive in the first place.

Your interpretation of history is a bit misguided (don't forget about the Brit's when you speak of Canada invading the US mate!), but your idea that I will hand over my guns without a fight is sorely out of the stadium there bub.

Let me play out that scenario for you.

* Officials show up at my door, and knock politely.

* I answer the door, and ask what I can do for them.

* Official says, "sorry sir, gotta take your guns."

* I say, " Ok, hold on a minute."

* I come back with my favorite gun and dump a mag in this guy, and hopefully his buddies behind him.

* Where it goes from here is anyones guess, but I promise you it would not include my handing over my weapons. If you doubt me, you're sorely diluted.

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If it is all internet armchair bravado, then come and take mine.

I will be waiting . . .


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Hrmmmm . . . I walked into my local HARDWARE store, filled out a form, paid the cost of my weapons, and walked out.

That was just the pistols. I have also purchased shotguns and rifles, most win no forms to fill. Plug and play, baby.

So who is lubed up?


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Live Free or Die ! ...........That's just not a saying to some of us here in the US Mate ......Life itself would not be Worth Living in a World without some sense of Freedom .

Originally posted by treemanx

You like to bring up the Waco incident, but the fact is that they were being investigated by the ATF because they did not have the proper permits to have the weapons they were stockpiling. They had weapons and explosives that needed a tax stamp or class 3 license to be legal, but had no tax stamp.

The Waco incident was not supported by common Americans because they were religious extremists and were not following the law regarding their weapons. How much do you know about the Ruby Ridge incident?

Ok, Good job on the spelling this time. But really, who is spouting propaganda now? "They didn't have the tax stamp".... and you know this because...CNN told you. "They were religious extremists"....because I saw it on TV.

The reality is we have no way to know if their burnt up guns had a stamp, or if they really had the right to own them. What we do know is that there were people... men, women and children who were in a compound that had guns stockpiled. These people were burnt out and shot and as I understand it they didn't fire the first shot. That shot came from the ATF.

It's likely they were religious zealots. Sure, lots of third party evidence to support that. They did have guns, also lots of evidence suggesting that. How did they buy these guns? Not enough information to decide. Perhaps legally, perhaps not. But they did take a stand when the feds came to the door, just as you are saying you will.

I don't cite Ruby Ridge for the same reason I don't cite the Titanic, or the moon project or NASA. It doesn't support my position. A psycho writing letters about killing the pope has little to do with the confiscation of legally owned firearms that most Americans will willingly turn over when the time comes.

..Ex

Originally posted by Wotan
If a gun ban comes into force in the US, YOU will give up your guns or you will be a criminal. You may not give them up at first, but given time you will. The constitution would be changed, so owning banned firearms would be a criminal offence.

No way this happens in my lifetime. Any politician supporting it would be committing political suicide. Have you paid attention to what Obama is saying about guns? He is avoiding the subject like the plague (smart man).

Now, personally, if my countrymen voted for representatives who went through the proper process to change the Constitution in order to ban guns, then I would accept that as the will of the people and peaceably surrender mine.

But in this scenario, where our Constitution is violated by using a U.N. treaty as a stealth amendment, I believe many, many Americans would fight to preserve our Republic. You think we would roll over, but I think you misunderstand us. Out attitude is that life is not worth living unless we are free. If they knock on my door to take my guns (illegitimately), then I am worse than dead already, so I may as well sacrifice myself to take out as many traitors as possible.

I somewhat doubt that many Canadian would hand over guns.

There have been 'guns for books' drives in the past and most of what they got from most places were old broken guns. Many people don't live in the urban areas, so they hunt, and many hunt to eat. In my little corner here in the middle of nowhere there's likely around 500-750 guns ready for hunting at a moment's notice.

The Lib government spent around a billion on gun registry then the Conservatives threw it out, stating that it wasted time and money. So guns were registered for only a couple years, countless guns have been sold since then. Now, we can't carry anything out here, or technically have fully auto stuff, but there's still a good deal of em floating around.

Just a couple years ago a massive gun bust an hour from me took place. Some 'concerned citizen' was worried over their neighbor's, mostly varnished, gun collection. Turns out he had at least 50 working guns including an RPG with 2 rounds. 150 or so total.

Yeah, some people will bend over and take it, but there are many people who think the law should bend over for them, and would gladly fight for their firearms.

These attempts are for vulnerability, nothing else.
Just like the gun registry idea that was taken out, a plan to control guns, which never worked. They planned inspections and never did most all of them, the first few were dangerous and costly enough they gave up on the idea.
The only way this garbage works is if people do it willingly, and many won't even with pressure from their peers.

Originally posted by itguysrule
I agree that Canadian military forces are some of the best in the world. The problem is that your entire military won't even fill up a US Football stadium. And your Navy is like - 10 ships?

How about if YOU come on down here and try to take my guns - - -

[edit on 14-3-2010 by itguysrule]

Well, we have a mall with more subs than our navy. So I'll give you that, but we do have enough of a military to offer many nations some help.

I have no interest in your guns, so suggesting that I should come down and take them would be the same as me suggesting you come get mine.

It will be your fellow American that comes for yours one day, and you will either turn it over or be arrested/killed. To be sure they will call you a criminal, or a terrorist to justify the whole thing. You might open fire on your fellow American, you might not.

Of the 300+ million Americans, I could....3?...4? that will stand and fight. It will be the shortest revolution in history.

..Ex

Originally posted by v3_exceed

Originally posted by treemanx

You like to bring up the Waco incident, but the fact is that they were being investigated by the ATF because they did not have the proper permits to have the weapons they were stockpiling. They had weapons and explosives that needed a tax stamp or class 3 license to be legal, but had no tax stamp.

The Waco incident was not supported by common Americans because they were religious extremists and were not following the law regarding their weapons. How much do you know about the Ruby Ridge incident?

Ok, Good job on the spelling this time. But really, who is spouting propaganda now? "They didn't have the tax stamp".... and you know this because...CNN told you. "They were religious extremists"....because I saw it on TV.

The reality is we have no way to know if their burnt up guns had a stamp, or if they really had the right to own them. What we do know is that there were people... men, women and children who were in a compound that had guns stockpiled. These people were burnt out and shot and as I understand it they didn't fire the first shot. That shot came from the ATF.

It's likely they were religious zealots. Sure, lots of third party evidence to support that. They did have guns, also lots of evidence suggesting that. How did they buy these guns? Not enough information to decide. Perhaps legally, perhaps not. But they did take a stand when the feds came to the door, just as you are saying you will.

I don't cite Ruby Ridge for the same reason I don't cite the Titanic, or the moon project or NASA. It doesn't support my position. A psycho writing letters about killing the pope has little to do with the confiscation of legally owned firearms that most Americans will willingly turn over when the time comes.

..Ex

You don't cite Ruby Ridge because it does nothing to support your position. Exactly, and thank you. And if you believe that it was only about a guy writing about the pope you are sorely misinformed.

I would enjoy a few links to support your "lack of evidence" argument regarding the Waco incident and the "certain" weapons they had that were not properly registered.

Also, I did pay a little attention during that Waco thing, and have read into it a bit. Didn't just "see it on tv".

BTW: Arguing on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics. Even if you win Gold, your still a r*tard. Im done!

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Wotan

 

If it is all internet armchair bravado, then come and take mine.

I will be waiting . . .

 

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So ...... What you are all trying to say is ...... that when a law abiding local sheriff/policeman/ATF Officer comes knocking on your door to ask you politely to turn in your now banned firearms, you are going to shoot him/her down in cold blood ........ I say bull#!

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I would think that that would depend if they agree with it themselves.
Most of those law abiding officers are also citizens with the same beliefs, so I would think they'd be against the action.

One thing taking guns does, is bring in more guns, illegal guns. Guns you'd never find in a store anywhere you look. That's the escalation of it.

Originally posted by Wotan

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
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If it is all internet armchair bravado, then come and take mine.

I will be waiting . . .

 

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So ...... What you are all trying to say is ...... that when a law abiding local sheriff/policeman/ATF Officer comes knocking on your door to ask you politely to turn in your now banned firearms, you are going to shoot him/her down in cold blood ........ I say bull#!

OK, lets see if you can understand this.

If the local Sheriff (that would probably be at home dealing with the same problem), shows up at a home demanding guns or they will hand out consequences, they are NOT ABIDING THE LAW, they are threatening you in the same way that a robber does. The Constitution gives me the right to keep and bear arms, not politicians in Washington DC. None of them ever gave me much worth having, besides a headache. The do not have the power to take away Constitutional Rights!

[edit on 14-3-2010 by treemanx]

All i can really say is , it would be bad day for the individuals attempting to disarm me. I have the same weapons they have, I have made sure that my gun collection meets and exceeds standard US military issue. For the people that claim myself and others of like mind are "all talk" or "internet/armchair bravado" let me know when you would like to come here for a visit and investigate your theory.

well, times have changed a bit, but in light of it all i find this slightly uplifting: "In Kentucky, it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon more than six-feet long. "

Originally posted by Wotan

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Wotan

 

If it is all internet armchair bravado, then come and take mine.

I will be waiting . . .

 

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So ...... What you are all trying to say is ...... that when a law abiding local sheriff/policeman/ATF Officer comes knocking on your door to ask you politely to turn in your now banned firearms, you are going to shoot him/her down in cold blood ........ I say bull#!

Cold blood?

Hardly?

I am defending my Constitution.

If said LEO is a pawn for TPTB, tough luck.

I think some people miss something. If a cause is worth dieing for, isn't it worth more to live and see through to the end?

I'm currently becoming an EMT, the first thing they teach you is don't be a heroic. If you run into a gun fight to save some by stander, and get hit in the cross fire, then you have done nothing for that person, and probably killed them because your buddies are going to save you first.


A bunch of dead people won't do anyting to a tyranic government, infact it's probably what they want.

Keep these things in mind when you consider you "from my cold dead hands" speech.

And if the military were taking your guns, they would probably do it under the cover of night and arrest you before you could have the gun loaded or in your hands.