Aliens wrote the Quran? ... Proof it wasn't written by Humans..

Excellent topic and good job on your research. I am a student of mysticism, Judaic and Islamic. The two traditions are most interesting. For me there is a wealth of knowledge in both traditions what most interests me are the similarities. They are both of Abraham so I suppose it's not too surprising. It's unfortunate that there aren't more people open minded enough to look at these traditions especially Islam. The preconceived notions that some people have towards Muslims and Jews is unfortunate as both are treasure chests of knowledge if one is open minded. Thank you. Jews,Muslims and Christians are all people of The Book all the Children of Abraham I hope that one day they can live in peace and respect one other as they each have much to offer. The people who would seek division amongst these groups are many and that's unfortunate.......

I think the original poster is posting under the assumption that 99% of ATS do not own qurans. Well I do, and my translations are different than his, which nullifies the entire thread.

Originally posted by seattletruth
51:47 We constructed the universe with might, and We are expanding it.

Mine says: "And the heaven--with Our hands have We built it up, and given it its expanse." This clearly does not show a sign of expanding, but a sign of how massively large it is. Which was information known before the Quran was written.

Originally posted by seattletruth
[27:88] When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still. But they are moving, like the clouds. Such is the manufacture of GOD, who perfected everything. He is fully Cognizant of everything you do.

Mine says: "See they not that We have ordained the night that they may rest in it, and the day with its gift of light? Of a truth herein are signs to people who believe." A bit different. Actually entirely different.

Originally posted by seattletruth
41:11 Then He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: "Come willingly or unwillingly." They said, "We come willingly."

Mine says: "And He made them seven heavens in two days, and each heaven made known its office: And We furnished the lower heaven with lights and guardian angels. This, the disposition of the almighty, the all-knowing." Way different.

Originally posted by seattletruth
21:30 Did those who reject not see that the heavens and the earth were one mass and We tore them apart? That We made from the water everything that lives. Will they not acknowledge?

Mine says: "And that angel among them who saith 'I am a God beside Him,' will be recompense with Hell: in suchsort will We recompense the offenders." This is completely different, so don't pass judgement before getting different views on the same passage. You can't just buy one Quran and call it a day.

Originally posted by seattletruth
71:14 "While He created you in stages?"

71:15 "Did you not see how God created seven heavens in harmony?"

71:16 "He made the moon to illuminate in them, and He made the sun to be a lit flame?"

71:17 "God made you grow from the earth as plants."

Mine says: essentially the same thing, but it also says at 71:18 that God will bring us back after we die as plants do in the winter. This is not true unless you're a believer in reincarnation, which would have nothing to do with aliens anyway.

Originally posted by seattletruth
29:19 Did they not observe how God initiates the creation then He returns it? All that for God is easy to do.

29:20 Say, "Roam the earth and observe how the creation was initiated. Then God will establish the final design. God is capable of all things."

Mine says: "SAY, 'Go through the earth, and see how He hath brought forth created beings. Hereafter, with a second birth will God cause them to be born again; for God is Almighty.'"

"Whom He pleaseth will He chastise, and on whom He pleaseth will have mercy, and to Him will ye be taken back." These two quotes are entirely different, and I don't know why they're so different.

Originally posted by seattletruth
24:45 God created every moving creature from water. So some of them move on their bellies, and some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. God creates whatever He wills. God is capable of all things.

Mine says: basically the same thing, but doesn't necessarily distinguish water as the sole reason life exists.

Originally posted by seattletruth
23:14 Then We created the seed into an embryo, then We created the embryo into a fetus, then We created the fetus into bone, then We covered the bone with flesh, then We brought forth a new creation. So glory be to God, the best of creators.

Mine says: "Then made We the moist germ a clot of blood: then made the clotted blood into a piece of flesh; then made the piece of flesh into bones: and we clotted the bones with flesh: then brought forth man of yet another make--Blessed therefore be God, the most excellent of makers--"

[edit on 2/23/2010 by Schmidt1989]

to answer your queries, regarding you somewhat different translation, here is an excerpt of my article "Refuting the unrefutable":

Showing the ignorance of some christian apologists is also their try to refute another qur'anic verse, which deals with the expansion of the universe. The verse reads:

AND IT IS We who have built the universe with power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.[5]

In this case, totally ignoring the fact that one can not rely 100% on any translation of the Qur'an without consulting at least a good dictionary and knowing classical arabic semantics, they take one translation of the verse (e.g. from Yusuf Ali, where the verse is translated slightly differently) and boast: "See, it says nothing about expanding universe! It only says the space is wast. Well, anyone can see THAT."

As Muhammad Assad in the note to this verse says, the phrase "inna la-musi’un" clearly foreshadows the modern notion of the "expanding universe". I can give you for example the albanian version of this verse:

"Ne, me forcën tonë e ngritëm qiellin dhe Ne e zgjërojmë atë."

Direct translation of this would be: "We, with power, built the sky, and we are expanding it."

Yet, christian apologists still try to refute this and belittle its significance. Interestingly enough they don't do that with statements in the bible that might be seen as scientific facts. Talk of double standards ...

Anyway, the reason why they "refute" this is, as I said, they pick one (english) translation, e.g. by Yusuf Ali, where, instead of "we are expanding it" it says "we create the vastness of space", without consulting others or the original. Now, why are there different translations anyway?

An excellent explanation of this offered Dr. Zaid Ghazzawi in his video Presentation "Why is the Qur'an in arabic?"[6]: Ghazzawi argues that in order to convey as much information as possible in a relatively small book, you would have to compress that information. The arabic language is perfect for this, since one word can have 20 or more meanings. If Qur'an was revealed in english for example, the Sura Al-Ikhlas would not be 15 words long, as it is, rather it would be up to 300 words long! That means Qur'an would not be handy and approachable anymore, since it would be comprised of tomes and tomes of hundreds of thousands of pages.

Having this in mind, we can understand why are there different translations of the words "inna la-musi'un". The base word there is musi' which means: expanded, rich, spacious, vast, wide. Since it is in the active form however (God is applying action on something), then the word musi'un means: to make rich, to make vast, to make wide, to expand. We can analyze this even deeper, if one might say we are making it rich does not mean we are expanding it. OK, think about it: what does making rich mean actually? If you had 10 gold coins, and I give you another 10 every day - i am making you rich - so, after one year you will end up having thousands of gold coins and a huge pile of them in your living room. Logically, the smal pile has become bigger. It expanded.

The beauty of Allah's word is that this one word (musi'un) not only can mean any of the words it means, it can also mean all of those words simultaneously! After applying this, the english translation of the verse could look something like this:

AND IT IS We who have built the universe with power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it, making it rich, making it wide, making it vast, broadening it, making it spacious.

To convey all of this, the Qur'an uses a single word.

reply to post by skajkingdom


Surely you do not think I am an apologist. I define myself as a non-ignorant atheist. That is, I read all the scriptures, but I do not believe in a soul, creator, deity, angels, heaven or hell, etc.

Originally posted by geek101
reply to post by skajkingdom

 

fair point. So tell me, what words should i be searching for? Tell me the corresponding arabic words and i can search for them instead.

cheers

Basically, you are searching for this word:

شَهْرٍ

it is the equivalent of SH-H-R - can be with wovels A and U at the end in the form of:

SHaHRu or SHaHR

but NOT other forms like:

الشُّهُورِ

for these mean "monthly" and "months" (plural)


EDIT: Forgot to tell you: SHHR means "month" (singular)

For days, you would look for "yawm" - singular form of "day" and NOT for "ayyam" or "yawmayn" - which are dual and plural forms.

[edit on 2/23/2010 by skajkingdom]

Originally posted by Schmidt1989
reply to post by skajkingdom

 

Surely you do not think I am an apologist. I define myself as a non-ignorant atheist. That is, I read all the scriptures, but I do not believe in a soul, creator, deity, angels, heaven or hell, etc.

Then I suggest you read this post of mine:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by skajkingdom


well done , I wanted to answer this question but i had to check first if someone did , so there you are answered the question perfectly.

but i hope he has arabic language installed in his computer so he could copy and paste while searching.

No different than the Bible or any other religious readings. Same bogus stories with different characters.

To think aliens created it is to say that Humans don't have an imagination. Humans are really good at BSing.

reply to post by seattletruth


Nice copy paste. Pretty sure that is frowned upon. www.network54.com...

In anycase. I think a lot of those are really stretching in order to be evidence of anything.

**edited to say that the amount of stars and flags on this post is making my head spin. Really people? Really? Is this due to anti Islamic sentiments or people truly believe this is proof that the Quran was written by aliens.

[edit on 2/23/2010 by sputniksteve]

The Bible was written in Herbrew and Greek and their letters have numerical meanings and their words have like 20 different other connections but does that make it better than the Arabic language?

Aliens wrote all the holy books ! Did you know that! Shame on you !

reply to post by skajkingdom


yeah, that's too hard. I can read some arabic but i can't be bothered to do that. So can i ask you....have you done this? Have you personally verified that there are this many "days" "months" in the Quran, etc?

If so, i'd be intrigued as to how you did it. Have you got an Arabic search function or did you go through the entire Quran yourself?

Also, you failed to address the fact that all the scientific "miracles" of the Quran, are all things that were known before the time of Muhammad. I'd like to hear your opinion on this.

cheers

reply to post by seattletruth


are you trying to say that aliens are terrorist?

in all seriousness that was a fascinating article you have put together, S&F

Originally posted by geek101
reply to post by skajkingdom

 

yeah, that's too hard. I can read some arabic but i can't be bothered to do that. So can i ask you....have you done this? Have you personally verified that there are this many "days" "months" in the Quran, etc?

If so, i'd be intrigued as to how you did it. Have you got an Arabic search function or did you go through the entire Quran yourself?

Also, you failed to address the fact that all the scientific "miracles" of the Quran, are all things that were known before the time of Muhammad. I'd like to hear your opinion on this.

cheers

Big Bang and Expansion of the Universe were known before Muhammad? ...

reply to post by The time lord


"Muhammad probably got lots of his ideas while in battle, while people were turned into slaves or tortured he probably got some information out of them. This also occurred when the Egyptians took the Israelites as slaves and their information of the stars and constellations regarding resurrection and the saviour figure of Christ written in the stars gave them
knowledge which the Egyptians used for their own gains but in the wrong way."


Muhammed himself did buy slaves .... Only to set them free.

reply to post by seattletruth


A. The citations you mention also represent just simple observations...not advanced knowledge.

B. The ancient arabs were known for math knowledge, and it certainly isn't beyond their capability to establish a numeric code...if of course, it isn't just a coincidence...(not to mention, Islam is one of the most life-dominant religions ever devised.)... You don't just observe the faith...you LIVE it day and night...an excellent control tool.

C. Many of the citations contain falsehoods, such as numerous stabilizers, vs. a stabilizing force (gravity)...

D. It doesn't take an MRI to cut open a goat and see anatomy, and fetus development, etc.

I think the OP raised one idea, that at some point all of the main books had similar information and hidden layers for intelligent people to take notice.

At some point these books became tainted for the obvious 'human' reasons like greed, political gains and tyranny.

While the Gospel and the Torah were somewhat tainted over the ages the Quran did well to remain intact (as far as we can tell) however with Islam the enemies of humanity (all intelligent, conscious and compassionate people) knew they could not get at the Quran as the very act of preserving it through the ages (via traditions like a strict recititation and recording process) ensured the Quran would remain true to it's original conception.

So they got at the progenitors of the religion resulting in what we have now, divided sects, bitter in fighting and gross misrepresentations of spiritual teachings resulting in people with severly distorted fundamentalistic and extremists views of the world they live in.

The above does not just affect Islam.. any religion that is popular and has held a clear and useful message to humanity (i.e. get out of your enslavement and free yourself) has been corrupted in one way or another.

In my mind, the god I hope to meet one day would be best described by the attributes found in the Quran (from what I have read of God in this book):

Absolute, Infinite, Relentless

A god that cannot be shackled in the mortality we tend to paint many of our gods in (like many religions today). A god that is personal to each of us, inside of us and all around us, one does not need intercession from someone else, a god who reaches out to you as you reach out to god.

Anything that says "by the way you need to deposit $10 dollars here to talk to god" doesn't quite convince me hehe

I agree that the Qur'an, like most sacred texts, encapsulates massive amounts of ancient knowledge (far more than we're supposed to have known at that stage in our evolution), but that doesn't necessarily mean it came from aliens. Other explanations could be: Shamanic contact with the spirit world, ancient texts passed down, other divine intervention.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by seattletruth

 

D. It doesn't take an MRI to cut open a goat and see anatomy, and fetus development, etc.

You are kidding right?

The embryo, described in the Qur'an precisely regarding it's form and features, in multiple stages, is at that time smaller than a grain of rice!

God forbid, even if one were to cut open a woman 6 to 21 days after the conception, one couldn't even FIND the embryo, let alone describe its outer and INNER features.

Why in God's name don't you all read the verses in question and see for yourself the precise descriptions given, starting with alaqa which means "something that clinges", like a leech. Not one of these descriptions is absolutelly correct, but BOTH ARE!

The embryo in its first stage does INDEED look like a leech, and IT CLINGES like a leech to the inner uterus wall.

Do not just comment for the comments sake, or just to "refute" something before you have even actually read the thing.

READ!

It is the very first revelation from God to Muhammad:

READ, IN THE NAME OF YOUR LORD WHO CREATED!
CREATED MAN FROM AN ALAQA!
READ, AND YOUR LORD IS MOST BOUNTYFUL!
THE ONE WHO TAUGHT BY THE PEN.
TAUGHT MAN WHAT HE DID NOT KNOW.
(Qur'an, 96:1-5)

Check this video I have made:



[edit on 2/23/2010 by skajkingdom]

Aliens did not author the Quran, because Aliens are considered the Jinn beings In Islam.
Allah, which means ''The one god'' or ''one and only god'' is the Author of the Quran. Allah is the Universal God. The Christian Arabs call god, Allah, and so do the Arab jews.

There is a video I watched called '' signature of the Creator'' and this video can relate to the OP's post, and its about the number 19 in the Quran.

There are many people that claim that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) wrote the Quran, and make prejudice ignorant and rude claims about him, without even knowing his life, and his message, and the legacy he left behind..which is really unfair..and they judge by what sounds wrong to them, rather than try and understand the story or situation behind those things..including some of the verses in the Quran..
The Prophet Muhammad is the most profound human being that have ever impacted in history, categorically...
watch this: www.youtube.com...#

The Quran Was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad through inspiration and revelation from Allah, through the Angel Gabriel, the Ark angel of God. Prophet Muhammad was an Illiterate man, he didnt know how to read or write...The Quran wasn't revealed in a form of a text or writing..it was revealed through recitation..The Angel Gabriel recited to Muhammad the Quran in stages, verse by verse, over the period of 23 years. each verse and chapter was revealed during different times and situations. The amazing thing about the Arabs back in those days was their memory. They can memorize almost a whole novel by just hearing it.
The Quran was memorized from beginning to end by the prophet Muhammad, and by the time it was completely fully revealed, The prophet and thousands of his companions and his followers have fully memorized the Quran from the first to the last chapter - word by word. After this phase was completed, it was ordered that the Quran should be put in a form of text or book to make it easy for others to memorize. and when that stage was done, the Angel Gabriel made sure it was exactly how Allah wanted it to be done, until Allah confirmed it as complete.

Millions of Muslims worldwide have memorized the Quran from cover to cover from 1400 yrs ago until now, all ages and cultures, Arab and non Arab, even little kids at the age of 6 have memorized this Quran completely.

So this is what makes the Quran more unique than any other scripture.
The Quran has been one, and only one. And it is still intact the way it was 1400 yrs ago. The Quran doesn't have versions or volumes. Its one Book, but has been translated to help with other cultures to understand the meanings.
One thing I can admit is, there are some really bad translations of the Quran out there..and thats a real shame..

Some people will argue, how can you prove the Quran hasn't been changed or altered since the time it was revealed? well thats easy...
Ill narrate to you what a Muslim Scholar said regarding this..

Imagine one day, ALL religions in the world, including Islam, decide to gather all of their scriptures, and throw them all into the ocean or burn them so they don't exist anymore in this world anymore....Imagine if this was to happen one day...WHO out of all these religions can recreate or reproduce their religious scripture(s) exactly the way it was before it was erased from existence??? The answer is Simple...Only the Muslims can. Why?? Because they are the only ones who have memorized the Quran from start to finish, word by word, dot by dot. All you need to do is gather a few muslims who have memorized the whole Quran, from all over the world, and let them all recite it, so it will be put into a book form once more, and the Quran will be intact just the way it was over 1400 yrs ago.

The Bible has so many versions of it, its hard to believe that someone has memorized every single one of them from cover to cover. I dont think even the pope has either..

Thats my 2 cents,,


Peace