Aliens wrote the Quran? ... Proof it wasn't written by Humans..

reply to post by seattletruth


Uhm Native American teachers knew that we evolved in the womb as we did on the planet. ( Each phase of development traces our evolutionary path) Also the ancients knew the 4 states of matter (Earth - Solid, Air- Gas, Fire - Plasma, Water - Liquid) As well as the Aether of what it all floats in just as we have discovered/ explained black matter.

Uhm maybe we are not waking up, maybe we are remembering!

LnL

P.S. Don't put all your eggs in one basket!

hi if you want to know all the mysterious about the quran
here:
www.smartvisions.eu...

Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by muse7

 

I think you completely missed the point. might want to actually read what is written verses immediately hit reply and start typing in your staplemark preconception.

the numbers game I find fascinating...nice posting ops...all speculation of course, but a nice set of coincidences...

why just aliens though...or god...could be a time traveller, a dimensional being, a spark of genius clarity, or just a heavy set of misinterpretations and coincidences..

Nice set of coincidences if you had only researched Quran in your entire life.
Just sayin..

Or copied from somewhere else..

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I did a fast search for "month" in the Internet quran and got a lot more than just 12 of them. So i guess the "Online Quran Project" (al-quran.info...) is not written by aliens

Or maybe I just read it wrong

Sorry, but I don't know what to make out of these "code"-things with holy texts, since they can provide everything from recipes on hot-dogs to a taxi car engine. It only depends on who's reading the texts.

[edit on 22-2-2010 by rihred0]

Nice post! Makes an otherwise boring Monday interesting...One point thoguh that both the Bible and the Quran says that we have all forgotten...
"We are all the children of God..." Which basically means we are all GOD.

I dont know for others but I guess I could prove that I am one...how???

I have two kids...I and my wife created two lives which only a GOD could do...

PEACE!!!

Still no proof offered to support your fictional stories of deity's harboring supreme powers I see. No DNA evidence, no photographs, no video's, NOTHING. Never in the history of mankind has something been followed so blindly without question as religion. And people have the nerve to draw into question the sanity of people who believe in the existence of intelligences outside this planet? There's more evidence to support the UFO phenomenon 1000 fold than any of the religions on this planet have to offer to support their current fictional beliefs, that's a fact.

Not sure if this has been asked, but the part that says - you Jinns and Humans try penetrate the Universe, But you wont be able to, not with out authority..

So I assume we need to ask for God's permission?
And yet, are our word's/pray's falling on death ears then?
And yet I hav'nt heard of anyone getting permission to ''penetrate the universe''
...This seems very strange. Since we put quite a lot of junk up there, so can we naturally assume that since no destruction has rained down in balls of metal and flame that we're in the clear?
Or would the usuall technelogical malfunction of our satalite hardware be seen as a sign? Eventhough it'll be a man made sign and no proof of a prophecy/warning?

I do not wish to rain on your parade either, because I really want to believe that it was written by ET. The fundamental problems I have with the quran are the contradictions.

Does God desire to destroy the people he created? Would He really command people who live at ease in a certain place to commit ungodliness, so that they would be worthy of punishment, together with the poor who live among them? Is this compatible with God’s justice, holiness and faithfulness? How could anyone ascribe to God such infamy, injustice and ungodliness?

The Quran does not provide specific examples of the particular sins or ungodliness that Allah would command people to perform if he wants to destroy a city. Nevertheless, the above is a clear contradiction on an abstract level. Does God command indecency or does he not? The Quran makes both statements.

The truth is I am one of these people that believe wholeheartedly that religion was made by man in order to control the masses, EVERYWAY you look you see the same things, contradiction,lies,power and greed.

How many profitable wars have been sold to the people on faith only to discover that later on down the line, that its just a handful of promises and a ton of lies..

If these gods really did construct these religious texts for the eyes of man, why do they try to camouflage the evil with the good? why do they contradict themselves over and over again.

If we look at the facts It seems that religon is set up to benefit a minority and inflict subconscious blind pain to the people that follow it.

The late Maulana Muhammad Ali wrote:

197b. Three things are prohibited in pilgrimage, rafath, fusuq and jidal. Rafath means foul, unseemly, immodest or obscene speech (LL). Fusuq, according to a saying of the Prophet, signifies abusing (Rz). Jidal signifies contending in an altercation or disputing or litigating (LL). The pilgrimage represents the final stage of spiritual progress, and hence the pilgrim is enjoined not to speak words which should be a source of annoyance to anybody. Perfect love of God requires perfect peace with man; hence no offence should be caused to any man. The doing of good to others is recommended instead in the words whatever good you do, Allah knows it. (Source: *, *)

Now intercourse itself is obviously not obscene or lewd when done within the confines of marriage between a husband and wife. God is the one who created us as sexual beings and sanctioned sexual intimacy in the first place. It is therefore obvious that the Quran is referring to and sanctioning obscene sexual acts, lewd sexual behavior, acts that are unnatural and abnormal. In this verse, the Quran does not use the common word for intercourse, nikkah (e.g. S. 2:230, 4:22, 33:53; cf. this article), but rafath. In other words, Allah is explicitly permitting Muslim men to commit obscene, lewd conduct with their wives!

Contradiction in the quran

I think a lot of you are jumping to all this Islam like it is a new fashion statement. It is evident that your Bible knowledge in the English speaking part of the world is becoming less known, people must feel liberated that they don't have to behave like Christ and be good saints in life. It sounds like this so called sense of religious liberation makes one feel less accountable about them selves.

Now pops Islam on your shores and it's like a newage fad, at least you don't have to believe in Christ and at least what you thought all along about him being just a man it is in line with what Islam and other spinoff versions of Jesus are, must give people a sense of liberation I guess. But this is like a sheep in wolves clothing if you start to give in to it, it has all the passages you want to hear, it mentions killing Jews and looting them, killing infedels and deception being good, it even has passages saying the ideas came from else where and how Satan influenced the prophet's mind.

What was once a religion of tolerance in the New Testament another has come along to completely destroy everything it says, even their prophecies are the direct opposite meaning the Bible prophecies fits into it.

For true Christians the Koran is as Satanic influenced as one could get and not even dream up of replicating some of the stories and killings and commands of Muhammad.

If the koran has some influences I am sure the Freemasons and the illuminati has just the same sacred demonic powers working within them too. It might have some secret code but maybe the higher powers work like that and no doubt the being of Light second to God has some of that knowledge too.

Someone thinks 666 is good and is the number of the koran, see how upside down this logic is, don't be fooled.
www.66619.org...

This other website tries to explain it as a warning and how 666 in Greek looks like Allah mirrored in Arabic.
www.israelinbibleprophecy.com...

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Somebody told me one time that christians were aliens...in this world but not of it..Des that sound like a bible or Qran verse?

Most of the religions I have experience with try as a main goal to separate thierselves from something. If the people writing these texts had actually achieved such a sense of seperateness from what they call 'sin' , then a truly 'alien' culture and seperate evolutionary events would happen.(over time of course) Resulting in something the lesser people(us) have to work to understand.

A book created, protected and embellished by people with the desire to be superior to others. In my world people like that are about as 'alien' as it gets.

[edit on 22-2-2010 by psyko45]

Originally posted by seattletruth
I wanted to add that the laws given to the people also show that the book was written by a higher intelligence, especially the ones relating to hygiene. People didn't even know what germs were at the time... But they were commanded to:

1. Wash their hands, face, feet, nose, mouth, and ears 5 times a day.

2. Wash their bottoms with water. Women also have to wash with water 5 times a day on their period.

3. Pigs were forbidden (like in Judaism) because the pig's genome is too similar to human beings so diseases can spread easily (swine flu, for example).

4. Sex is limited to married couples only, to hinder the spread of STDs. This is why AIDS is not a large threat to Islamic countries which are devout.

www.clt.astate.edu...

The Bathing Process

Bathing in ancient Greece was an important aspect of everyday life (Hornblower 236). Based on ancient texts it seems Greeks looked fondly on being clean. A clean man was looked on with respect sometimes to the point of appearing god like.

Homer states in The Odyssey that "a Sicilian handmaid bathed great-hearted Laertes in his house and anointed him oil and about him cast a cloak" where upon Laertes "came forth from the bath and his dear son marveled at him, seeing him in presence like unto the immortal gods" (Hom. Od. 24. 370). In this respect, one can gather that unclean people were of lesser class. Aristophanes states that "men of such frugal habits... never shave, nor use your precious ointment, nor go to baths to clean themselves" (Ar. Nub. 835ff).

When do we have the Quran appearing historically for a first time?

Damn. That was supposed to come as an edit in my previous post. I accidentally made a new post and it was intended as a hint to from where the "science" and habits of the Quran were also inspired.
Oh well.

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Jesus said to watch out for false prophets and muhammed is one of them.
It is also known that muhammed plagiarized parts of the Bible.


[edit on 2/22/2010 by texastig]

I don't find either of the two original points particularly compelling to be honest. Nothing of the advanced scientific knowledge really stands out, and the numbers whilst interesting could have been done by anyone with a simple maths system. I'd be interested to know if the text has changed or had different versions over the years as the Bible has.

[55:33] O you jinns and humans, if you can penetrate the outer limits of the heavens and the earth, go ahead and penetrate. You cannot penetrate without authorization. [55:34] Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny? [55:35] You get bombarded with projectiles of fire and metal, and you cannot win.

[67:5] We adorned the lowest universe with lamps, and guarded its borders with projectiles against the devils; we prepared for them a retribution in Hell.

I found those two quotes quite interesting though, especially the second one - I'd like to know what it could possibly refer to in the context of when it was written or the rest of the book as a whole.

It is also known that muhammed plagiarized parts of the Bible.

It's known is it? Can you link to a reputable source please? I don't like to doubt you but my "religious converter at work" detector went off when I saw the tone of your post!

One day when I have time I plan to read all the main religious texts, mainly for historical reasons. Time is so short!

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Nova]

i like the idea of the one mind, that some dude posted earlier

kinda like we can achieve what we want if we all pull towards the same thing, like overthrowing the current governmenteal system ,capitalism doesnt work, and the religions of the world tell us this.

im not religious, but the world is ruled by one religion only.MONEY

it sucks ass but its true

taxed on everything, taxed on tax !!
taxed on birth , death, the job lot, why ? really tho do we neeed to pay all this money out AND be told what we can and cant do ?

who is the god these days ? THE TENNER.

fanx

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet


He isnt an Atheists he is a Muslim, pretending to be an atheists to spread his religion...To know this one most read his posts.

I never "pretended to be atheist".. I said I was atheist, and my first assumption was that the Quran must have been written by aliens. That's not a lie.

If you read the bottom of my OP you would realize that I changed my mind and converted to Islam.

I've been following this post and i've found it very interesting but as I went I asked myself if this were or that were true then what would it mean for me. i found my self pondering the following question that i now ask of you.

If God were to appear before you and tell you that the Quran is his word and laws, would you follow him?

I found myself saying, NO. I then thought "$ht" what does that mean, it means that as i am i could not blindly follow what i don't agree with. There are many but an example is allowing one to oppress another. This is head spinning conclusion for me. But in some way freeing.

You can apply this to “the book” of all religions, Bible, Torah, Quran etc

Buddhism doesn't have a "book" as far as i know but with the limited knowledge i have of it i found my self saying maybe...go figure!

Would you follow any of "the books" to the letter?

And if not but everyone else did would you rebel.

I found myself saying even if everyone else followed and even if god were to appear before me and say yes this is my words i would reply "then you are not the god for me"

Originally posted by Prisario

If God were to appear before you and tell you that the Quran is his word and laws, would you follow him?

That's a great question. I was faced with the exact same dilemma.

However, after actually READING the Quran, I realized nothing about it is bad. It is not asking us to be evil or kill people who don't convert or anything. Literally ALL of that is lies and propaganda. Islam is simply "submitting to God".

His rules really are not that bad. Off the top of my head, the main rules are:

1. Donate your time and money to charity.
2. Don't have sex out of wedlock.
3. Don't cheat on your wife / husband.
4. Don't murder people.
5. Fast from dawn til dusk 1 month a year.
6. Don't feed your ego. Don't show off.
7. Be righteous and brave.
8. Try to travel to Mecca once in your life if possible.
9. Obey your parents.
10. Don't eat pork.


Are these things really that detrimental to society????


[edit on 22-2-2010 by seattletruth]

Originally posted by warsawprice
i like the idea of the one mind, that some dude posted earlier

kinda like we can achieve what we want if we all pull towards the same thing, like overthrowing the current governmenteal system ,capitalism doesnt work, and the religions of the world tell us this.

im not religious, but the world is ruled by one religion only.MONEY

it sucks ass but its true

taxed on everything, taxed on tax !!
taxed on birth , death, the job lot, why ? really tho do we neeed to pay all this money out AND be told what we can and cant do ?

who is the god these days ? THE TENNER.

fanx

not true.

In Islam it is believed that Allah owns everything and allows us the use of it.

If anything is a threat to western social elite bankers, it is the sharia banking system and halal lending system.

No interest is ever asked or paid on any money borrowed ever. So, at the very least, your idea of money being the new god is not correct in context to Islam.

Im not saying all Muslims practice this. Most certainly not in the west where they are more susceptible to the corruptions of western living. In fact, westernized muslims are growing further and further from Islam with every day that passes. Funny how that works. lol

also to the poster who denies the fact that Aids is a problem in Islam. You are wrong. It is denied because it is culturally shameful. It indeed is extant through Muslim countries like everywhere else.

To say it isn't is as ignorant as saying black people don't get skin cancer. Which is also a lie!

I may disagree with your sentiment in the post, but do appreciate the work you have spent on it.

I cannot get past the Quran re: Angel Gabriel dictated this to Mohammed. Yet there is only one God - but suddenly we have a demi God - an angel appearing. Are there other demi Gods? How were these formed? How many are there?

It really doesn't take much to look at any of these books and start finding holes. As for murder - is war okay? and isn't that really murder on a larger scale?

reply to post by Jocko Flocko


Funny thing about your "fact". Can you produce a ET for us? Really, I wouldn't mind meeting one. Could you DEFINATIVELY PROVE that aliens are here at all? I mean beyond ancedotal evidence, not strange lights in the sky that can be any number of at least a thousand other things one can think of and a lot more that someone is bound to miss. It's all well and could to call other's beliefs fictional and lacking for proof but you might want to avoid point out you have equally contested beliefs. It makes you a hypocrite.