Aliens wrote the Quran? ... Proof it wasn't written by Humans..

Originally posted by psyko45
Somebody told me one time that christians were aliens...in this world but not of it..Des that sound like a bible or Qran verse?

Most of the religions I have experience with try as a main goal to separate thierselves from something. If the people writing these texts had actually achieved such a sense of seperateness from what they call 'sin' , then a truly 'alien' culture and seperate evolutionary events would happen.(over time of course) Resulting in something the lesser people(us) have to work to understand.

A book created, protected and embellished by people with the desire to be superior to others. In my world people like that are about as 'alien' as it gets.

Hi, I can explain this. It has nothing to do with being "aliens". It is Jesus who says you will be hated by this world, because you are not of this world.

I'm going to assume you read my previous posts in this thread about the 2 births, and the birth of spirit. If not, go back and read them because you will need that to understand this.

Our universe is based on logic. It has action and reaction. It is because of this that we can predict where the planets will be, and also make many great inventions like cars and such. The universe has no "choice" in things, just action and reaction.

Take a rocket. You introduce the correct actions into the rocket, and then you get the reactions from it that you want. Because of this, that rocket gives people power. They are in complete control of the rocket. As such, men who desire power seek such things for what it gives. Now if that rocket had a choice in what it did - then who knows where it would end up. The rocket would be uncontrollable and thus would not give these people power.

As you have the father within and you are an observer/being and so forth - you have choice. Unlike that rocket, you can choose not to do things. This means that unlike that rocket, you do not give those people power, because who knows where you would end up.

And so because you have the father within and thus choice/free will - you are hated. In fact, these entire world is geared towards dumbing people down and taking away their choices to turn them into tools of power like that rocket.

So take an event like 9/11. That is an action introduced into order to bring about the reaction people of power want. And they were successful in that. They brought people down to the level of action and reaction for power. Now if someone choose not to go along with the wars and such - look at how they were treated. They were hated, they were called names, they were harassed. All because they did not bring those people power.

What does it mean to sell your soul? It means to give up your individuality and choice in exchange for security/material. Like Sean Hannity for example - just a puppet. The entire world is geared towards this. And the people themselves in their ignorance think they are getting what they want, not realizing the level of manipulation going on etc.

So that little verse has nothing to do with "aliens", but instead about spirit/free will and so forth. Those who look for power hate choice. You exercise your free will/choice against them and they will hate you. Spirit/soul/consciousness is not "of this world" (read previous posts in this thread).

reply to post by seattletruth
First off nice thread im not a stranger to this subject, and i believe that its possible that are gods were aliens and left behind some words of wisdom to get us on track.Im more familiar with the Bible but know a bit about the Quran and there are some realy good accounts that make you scratch your head and make me think that were just someones science project.

Well you said that you are now muslim or that you converted and i would assume that you study and follow the Quran.Do you worship Allah as your god,spirit,or alien being and do you let your fellow muslims know your belief ?

Originally posted by checkthedata
you can take any book with a good amount of pages/ words and prove similar if not exact coincidences.

Then pray show me one SINGLE book, except Qur'an, that:

- doesn't fall into any literary criteria
- has it's opening statement (Bismillah) made of 19 characters
- where the number 19 appears as a word once in that 6000+ verses book
- and it just so happens that the first words of that book to ever be revealed to the man are made of 19 words
- and although the chapter containing these words is the first revealed chapter, in the book itself it is chapter no. 96 - the 19th ch. from the end
- what's more weird, this ch. (96) has, guess what, 19 verses
- furthermore, this book has the word for "day" scattered throughout it exactly 365 times
- the word for month exactly 12 times
- the word for sea exactly 32 times (71.11111% out of 45 - amount of water on earth)
- and the word for land 13 times (28.88889% out of 45 - amount of land on earth)
- has "angel" mentioned 88 times, just as "devil" (88 times)
- has a chapter called "sun" each verse of which ends with the letters H and E (Hydrogen/Helium - accidentally the main elements of the sun)
- has a chapter called "iron", which, is chapter no. 57 - the middle of the book sort to say - just like the middle of the iron isotopes (57)
- and the word "The iron" - "El hadid" has, by "pure chance" the numerical value of 57, whereas "iron" (Hadid) has a numerical value of 26 - absolutely coincidentally the atomic number of iron
- still more, it mentions "tree" 26 times, just as the word "plant"
- it also has "seven heavens" repeated 7 times. And even "The creation of the heavens" also 7 times.
- further, this book has the word "paradise" repeated 77 times - like the word "hell"
- it also has the word "man" repeated 23 times, just like "woman" and, this, just for the "fun", is also:
- the number of the human chromosomes (46) from the egg and sperm in the formation of the human embryo; 23 each from mother and father.
- this utterly "unspectacular" book, being more than 1400 years old, has in it, the descriptions of:
-- the Big Bang
-- the Expansion of the Universe
-- the Big Crunch
-- the Dark Matter
-- the Black Holes
-- the relativity of time
-- the origin of iron from outer space
-- the significance of fingertips
-- the pain receptors in the skin, etc...
- further, in this "any book with good amount of pages", we find that it has:
-- 114 chapters, and the sum of the chapter numbers (1+2+...+114) is: 6555
-- the sum of the verses (7+286+...) is 6236
-- out of the total sum of ch. number plus number of v. (1 + 7, 2 + 286,) we get .... wait for it:
-- total of the odd numbers: 6555
-- total of the even numbers: 6236
-- interestingly, in this book the author makes a quite strange oath. "By the even and the odd ..." (Q, 89:3)
- now, this book has an even weirder property: it is NOT written chronologically - the author doesn't start with verse 1 of ch. 1, then writes verse 2 of ch. 1 etc ... nope:
He writes verses 1-5 of ch. 96 (19 words of the ch. which WILL HAVE LATER 19 verses, and will be the 19th ch. from the end of the book) then after 2-3 years he writes the beginning of ch. 74, up to verse 30, which states "Over it are nineteen" - stops, then writes chapter no.1, which, oh dear, starts with "bismillah", comprised of 19 letters.
So, during hardship, getting tortured, attacked etc. for 23 years he writes a verse here and there, from totally DIFFERENT chapters, and the whole time he keeps in mind (since he cant ACTUALLY write/read) where which verse will go, in which chapter, after which verse etc.
AND ALL THAT WHILE CREATING A SUPREME MATHEMATICAL SYSTEM AND DESCRIBING SCIENTIFIC FACTS DISCOVERED THOUSAND+ YEARS LATER.

Nay, but those who disbelieve live in denial, And Allah, all unseen, surroundeth them. Nay, this is a glorious Qur'an! (Qur'an, 85:19-21)

I'm just wondering why are there no more responses ,since some of you have criticized this book but won't show a better one.

reply to post by skajkingdom


None of that stuff means anything. AT ALL.

First off, knowledge of the holy is understanding. And the best ANY book can do is be a true expression of that understanding. I am not familiar enough with Islam to even make an informed comment on if this is the case or not, I can say that I have seen a few truths posted thus far.

Understanding vs written(expression) is no different than the difference in someone understanding math, and someone who goes around repeating 1+1=2. If the person doesn't understand the math, then it's useless.

So the best ANY book can do is be a bunch of 1+1=2's and other true expressions. This includes the bible, and any other religion even down to Buddhists. And I know the bible and Buddha both make this fact very clear and known. I seen someone say earlier about no authority between men and god - and that was something I found is true. Yet, it is true for exactly the above reason.

Because the father does not give the way men do. We as men can only give the expression, or the book etc. But the father gives to men in terms of the understanding itself, completely separate of expression. It is men who then take and express the understandings, and that is where you get books and such.

Yet, all you are really doing here is promoting the book/expression and nothing of the understanding. You are trying to point out places where you think true things are being said, as a way of getting people to accept it all. And that is wrong. If you wish to truly help people, then you do not get them to accept the expression, you help them find the understanding that caused the expression to begin with.

That which you have listed is nothing more than knowledge of this world. This world was smarter at one time than it was 400 years ago, there was a decline in understanding. The earth being round was common knowledge etc. By this logic, I should accept all science books of the 50's as direct fact - after all they talked about true things etc. A few facts does not validate an entire book - it only validates those facts.

I am not familiar enough with Islam to dismiss it or otherwise. But I can without a doubt say that those things do not in anyway validate or prove that a book is of god. I can say that Jesus is of god and knows the father, yet I find a vast majority of the bible to be false. You are using the same exact logic Christians try to use to get me to join their religion. That because a few things are true, then the rest must also be accepted as true. That the entire book must be judged 100% either way, black and white. And sorry but I am not that foolish, and I will call such things out for what they are.

If you want to prove to me that the book is inspired by the father, then show me the understanding and way of the father. I have seen a few hints, but it is not because of that which has been listed, and your importance on such things is not wise.

Spread understanding rather than religion/acceptance.

Is it just me or does anyone else think that using a holy book, One that speaks of a god, To prove that there is no God seem abit wacky? I'm glad that OP defeats his own theory for us.

reply to post by texastig


You clearly haven't read the whole thread. I even got on that specific topic. Muhammed didn't say Jesus wasn't a prophet. In the Quran Jesus was called prophet Issa. Jesus was one of the 25 prophets which are mentioned in the Quran. I bet you don't even know that Muhammed himself didn't write the Quran. Muhammed didn't know how to read or write. Let me tell you something else. Even before Muhammed said he was a prophet the people called him Al-Amin. That means he DIDN'T EVER LIE! Just give me a reason why this orphan would lie about something like this if he hadn't lied before. SO lets go over the facts....
1. Muhammed was an orphan.
2. Muhammed never lied.
3. Muhammed fit the time frame for all the other prophets.
4. Muhammed didn't say Jesus wasn't a prophet.
5. Muhammed didn't know how to read or write. ( It was Abu-Bakur who actually wrote down the words of the Quran on leaves.

wow. if you did more general research on the bigger picture instead of focusing on something so small like the quran, then you wouldn't be saying that. one word, deniiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllll.

I agree because god is not of this earth so i guess you would say a alien,
and that not to far from the bible seeing that they came down to earth
and made mankind and yes i said they! because that how its stated in the book.

Originally posted by plipu
wow. if you did more general research on the bigger picture instead of focusing on something so small like the quran, then you wouldn't be saying that. one word, deniiiiiiiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllll.

Nay, but those who disbelieve live in denial, And Allah, all unseen, surroundeth them. Nay, this is a glorious Qur'an! (Qur'an, 85:19-21)

I am appalled at the level of ignorance so many ats users show.

Originally posted by oozyism

Originally posted by SciChosis
If it was written by aliens with this super knowledge, why would they say everything was created in six days, when without the creation of a planet earth, and a sun for it to orbit, there would be no definition of a 'day' and even if there was, it would apply strictly to planet earth, how do they know how long it took before their chosen unit of measurement even existed, and why would they choose to use it in the first place,

A day in God's throne is already described in the Quran and also states how long a day in God's throne is compared to an Earthly day.

I suppose it is another planet (but much larger than earth).

[Quran 22.47] They challenge you to bring forth that torture [in Hell] and Allah will not break His promise; a day of your Lord [Paradise/Hell promise] is like a thousand years of what you count.

Some more Info:

[Quran 50.38] We [Allah] created the heavens and the Earth and all what's between them in six days, and We were not touched by fatigue.

[Quran 41.9] Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created the Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds."

In God's Throne time, Earth is 2 days old while the Heavens and Earth and everything in between are 6 days old. This makes the age of Earth to be one third the age of the universe (2/6 = 1/3). Similarly in Earth time, the age of Earth is 4.5672 billion years while the age of the universe is 13.7 billion years; this is also one third (4.5672 bln/13.7 bln = 1/3). So it is the same ratio in Earth time or in God's Throne time. The theory of general relativity explains why time at God's Throne passes slower than on Earth. General relativity explains why 6 days passed at God's Throne but we measured it as 13.7 billion years (that is each day at God's Throne measures around 2.28 billion years on Earth). So according to the Quran:


God's Throne > Paradise/Hell > Earth

God's throne is the biggest, Paradise/Hell is second because 1 Paradise/hell day = 1000 Earth years making Earth the smallest.

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Sorry if it is a bit confusing .. enjoy the thought, it is worth while..





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Na that's good man cheers, that answered my question well

reply to post by seattletruth


Great post!

I've said many times that there are Aliens here (hostile ones) but everytime i say it not one of you gives a decent reply to my Theory.... hope you are getting a lot of decent ones here as i havn't looked through all the pages!!

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Great words here. But i think where here on earth are the aliens. They needed a race to study. And so there we are. Where calling or selfs humans, but is that so?

One question.. Why 19?
I know you posted something about 19 seals or something akin to that.
But why 19 being so important? Why not say 17 or 23?
This may be slight scued from the op since you were generally speaking about quran being made by aliens..

A further thought however at the end of OPs post you said now you beleive it could have been god who made the book.. Wouldn't that mean that god created said laterns (star)to destroy the aliens "demons"..?
If so why would he destroy them in such away when he could simply just destroy them via the eradicate button on his computer.?

Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
reply to post by texastig

 

You clearly haven't read the whole thread. I even got on that specific topic. Muhammed didn't say Jesus wasn't a prophet. In the Quran Jesus was called prophet Issa. Jesus was one of the 25 prophets which are mentioned in the Quran. I bet you don't even know that Muhammed himself didn't write the Quran. Muhammed didn't know how to read or write. Let me tell you something else. Even before Muhammed said he was a prophet the people called him Al-Amin. That means he DIDN'T EVER LIE! Just give me a reason why this orphan would lie about something like this if he hadn't lied before. SO lets go over the facts....
1. Muhammed was an orphan.
2. Muhammed never lied.
3. Muhammed fit the time frame for all the other prophets.
4. Muhammed didn't say Jesus wasn't a prophet.
5. Muhammed didn't know how to read or write. ( It was Abu-Bakur who actually wrote down the words of the Quran on leaves.

Too bad that’s where I think the Quran is a lie, Jesus is the son of God... Not a goofy prophet as someone say.... So Let me break it day for you, I am a follower of the KING of KINGS and LORD of LORDS. He is the Alpha and Omega, He has taught me to respect others but not believe in false Gods or Religion. And Every other religion falls into the category in my book... However, you have the right to believe what you want to believe in, and I am all for it. You think you know the truth, I think I know the Truth, Goofy guys like the OP think ALLAH was an Alien, Some people believe in no Gods. And that’s fine, no one will agree... But if you don’t believe me take it from a former Muslim.

But let us agree to disagree.

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Originally posted by Gentill Abdulla
reply to post by texastig

 

You clearly haven't read the whole thread. I even got on that specific topic. Muhammed didn't say Jesus wasn't a prophet. In the Quran Jesus was called prophet Issa. Jesus was one of the 25 prophets which are mentioned in the Quran. I bet you don't even know that Muhammed himself didn't write the Quran. Muhammed didn't know how to read or write. Let me tell you something else. Even before Muhammed said he was a prophet the people called him Al-Amin. That means he DIDN'T EVER LIE! Just give me a reason why this orphan would lie about something like this if he hadn't lied before. SO lets go over the facts....
1. Muhammed was an orphan.
2. Muhammed never lied.
3. Muhammed fit the time frame for all the other prophets.
4. Muhammed didn't say Jesus wasn't a prophet.
5. Muhammed didn't know how to read or write. ( It was Abu-Bakur who actually wrote down the words of the Quran on leaves.

Although good points I still have doubts about many things, he is said not to have lied but that is in the context of the scriptures, then add scriptures speak about deception and then you have to question if he practiced deceit or not.


Maybe he was deceived, in the Bible the person with the Holy Spirit cannot be mentally influenced by demonic or magic forces.

Qur'an 4:142 "Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them."

Bukhari:V7B71N661 "Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle and he was bewitched so that he began to imagine doing things which in fact, he had not done."

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Muhammad probably got lots of his ideas while in battle, while people were turned into slaves or tortured he probably got some information out of them. This also occurred when the Egyptians took the Israelites as slaves and their information of the stars and constellations regarding resurrection and the saviour figure of Christ written in the stars gave them
knowledge which the Egyptians used for their own gains but in the wrong way.

Ishaq:180 "According to my information, the Apostle often sat by a young Christian slave named Jabr. The Meccans said, 'He is the one who teaches Muhammad most of what he brings.' Then Allah revealed, Qur'an 16:103 'We know what they (pagans) say: "It is only a mortal man who teaches him (Muhammad). But the tongue of the man they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this (Qur'an) is pure Arabic.'"
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Again changing verses as he went along, but don't ask Allah too many questions it troubles him.

Bukhari:V6B60N8 "Umar said, 'Our best Qur'an reciter is Ubai. And in spite of this, we leave out some of his statements because Allah's Apostle himself said, "Whatever verse or revelation We abrogate or cause to be forgotten We bring a better one."

Bukhari:V2B24N555 "I heard the Prophet say, 'Allah hates for you for asking too many questions.'"
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In this verse not only is he Satanically inspired he lies to Allah too.

Tabari VI:110 "When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, 'Muhammad has repented of [reneged on] what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah. He has altered [the bargain] and brought something else.' Those two phrases which Satan had cast on Muhammad's tongue of were in the mouth of every polytheist. The Messenger said, 'I have fabricated things against Allah and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.'"
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Of course that is why Jesus of the Qur'an is not the Jesus of the Bible who was Christ, Christians don't believe he was just a prophet but the saviour raised from the dead.

Qur'an 5:72 "They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: 'God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.' But the Messiah only said: 'O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.'"
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This is what the Bible says about this verse 650 or so years before.
The choice is yours, maybe good aliens wrote the Bible because they can not be same species.

1 John 4:1-3 says, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world."
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reply to post by skajkingdom


using this site to search for words in Quran, i found a few discrepancies in what words appear how many times:

Day appears 512 times
Month appears 19 times
sea appears 80 times
water appears 93 times


i could go on, but this kind of destroys most of the OPs argument. It's all false. And i speak as one who used to believe all this "scientific miracles" malarky. There is nothing in the Quran that wasn't already known before then.

Originally posted by geek101
reply to post by skajkingdom

 

using this site to search for words in Quran, i found a few discrepancies in what words appear how many times:

Day appears 512 times
Month appears 19 times
sea appears 80 times
water appears 93 times


i could go on, but this kind of destroys most of the OPs argument. It's all false. And i speak as one who used to believe all this "scientific miracles" malarky. There is nothing in the Quran that wasn't already known before then.

Aha, and through QuranSearch you searched for ... what? ENGLISH WORDS?

Like for example this result:

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down .. or "mothly" etc.

Oh dear God ...

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reply to post by skajkingdom


fair point. So tell me, what words should i be searching for? Tell me the corresponding arabic words and i can search for them instead.

cheers