Reasons To Believe

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Nichiren

 

I really see nothing in your analytical claims of circular arrangement
that speak to the facts of the statement persae'. etc!

Nich I want to hear what it is you believe in. Is their anything and why isn't
it God.
Speak!

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I usually don't follow orders well, but I make an exception for you. Hint: I already did so in this thread

reply to post by randyvs


Aww crap. I was hoping is was a peer-reviewed paper. lol

Originally posted by Conclusion

Originally posted by Nichiren

Originally posted by Conclusion

Now if you are asking if there are logical reasoning behind Christianity then yes. From those who witnessed Christ. The things Christ says are wonderful. What he says is known to be true in my mind, body, and soul. So by reasoning that, within myself, I have found all the evidence I need.

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What part of circular logic don't you get? Again, I have yet to hear a REASON for religion.

I just told you. You will not accept it. Not my fault. Yours.

Anouncer-TELL US WHAT OUR CONTESTANT HAS WON

Satan- WEEELLLL BOB. its A NEw CAR!!!!!

Satan- just kidding. lol. It an All Expenses PAID, One way trip, to the HOTTEST resort around. HEEEEEELLLLL!!!!

Demons- exploding in laughter and clapping.

A bit childish, but there is humor involved. I actually like that

reply to post by Nichiren


Now that is circular reasoning. If you do not answer questions, then don't ask questions. It is considered rude. Oh who am I kidding. That is fun.

reply to post by Nichiren


Thank you. I would like to work for Saturday Night Live, but they will not take my calls. D$#@ that Adam Sandler.

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reply to post by Conclusion


I can see the reason for that

reply to post by Conclusion


What was the question? Please pose it again so I can reply ...

reply to post by virraszto


Maybe be if we broke it down instead of running all this together.
example a thread thats just on Reasons why you believe.
Another thread on origins and creation and so on it gets confusing or maybe in your posts explain that your response is one of these. Cuz it's just getting all messed up.
it's Just a sugestion ....

reply to post by Nichiren


Have you ever had a religious experience. Ever.

Aww crap. I was hoping is was a peer-reviewed paper. lol

reply to post by Conclusion


Well I'm still looking.

Nich
It wasn't an order man. I can see how my adding speak to that made it sound though. I really don't care if you answer or not. Or even your REASON for not. Like shame?



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There are no reasons to believe in any religion! It's a trick question. All religions are based on faith, which is not a logical reason. I challenge anybody to defend a religion without resorting to faith and circular logic. I don't think it can be done.

I posit that the question is an oxymoron.

It's entirely possible that I missed a logical argument for a religion. I would like for you to point that out to me.

Randy and Conclusion have not been able to answer the question. But I'm sure there are more than 2 defenders of Christianity, or any other religion, out there.

But then again, an honest minister conceded that it is all based on faith

reply to post by NorthStargal52


Thank you for your input. I have never been organized on these forums. I do need to learn how.

Very good suggestion.

Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to post by Nichiren

 

Have you ever had a religious experience. Ever.

Thank you for posing the question again. My bad!

No, I've never had a religious experience. I've had several spiritual experiences that have influenced my life greatly.

Originally posted by Nichiren

There are no reasons to believe in any religion! It's a trick question. All religions are based on faith, which is not a logical reason. I challenge anybody to defend a religion without resorting to faith and circular logic. I don't think it can be done.

I posit that the question is an oxymoron.

It's entirely possible that I missed a logical argument for a religion. I would like for you to point that out to me.

Randy and Conclusion have not been able to answer the question. But I'm sure there are more than 2 defenders of Christianity, or any other religion, out there.

But then again, an honest minister conceded that it is all based on faith

Okay let me try to explain it again.

When we have any type of experience that changes our views on anything, the experience is the reason for your view change. So a religious experience, whether it can be explained or not, is the reason my views changed toward Christianity. It was not based on faith when it happened. Faith was a direct result from the reason.

reply to post by randyvs


Here you go: middle of page 11.

reply to post by Nichiren


Okay. Very good. How do you describe that Spiritual experience without there being a spirit to express it to you?

Originally posted by Nichiren

Originally posted by Mykahel
reply to post by Nichiren

 

You want concrete, undeniable evidence of God that nobody can refute in any way? It wont happen. It always comes back to faith.

Thank you Mykahel for being honest about it.

As to your other "logical" points Richard Dawkins has written a few books about that. Are you familiar with him?

Honestly, can't say that I am. Does he support or refute them?

One more point for why there is a logical reason for religion as a whole.
People need hope. As the Buddhist would say, life is pain. If there is no hope for anything better than this, why even put up with it? Religion gives hope. You and I would both probably agree that many of them provide a false hope, but it is one of the "logical reasons for religion."

When we have any type of experience that changes our views on anything, the experience is the reason for your view change. So a religious experience, whether it can be explained or not, is the reason my views changed toward Christianity. It was not based on faith when it happened. Faith was a direct result from the reason.

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You think he got it that time?
I don't.
I bet he dosn't even thank you for your patience.
I know I wouldn't have given him what you just gave him.

Watch he'll come back with do you have any proof?

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reply to post by Conclusion


Thank you for clarifying.

My only comment about that is: with the term "religious" you are already putting the phenomenon on a grid.

Semantics? Maybe ...

reply to post by randyvs


Its okay. I have all the proof I need, just not all the proof he needs.