Reasons To Believe

reply to post by metamagic


Thank you for sharing this!

I'll tell you why I don’t believe. Because religion has changed many times over the years. Who's to say which is the correct one? Who's to say that it’s all true or false? It’s a bunch of good stories to live by if you want to be a good person but that’s what all religions are. Stories made up to make people feel like they are good people that follow the path.
No religion has ever proven itself to be the correct one. A thousand years down the road there will be other religions with completely different views and millions will believe. Will they be the correct ones? Who knows, Who cares.
What I want to know is, Where is God? Why would he create everything and not be involved with it some way? He just made everything and left? Doesn't sound like a very responsible thing to do. If God is or was real im dissapointed in him.

reply to post by Darkice19


Why not? Nature doesn't need to be maintained. Why build a self maintaining self ordering system if you plan on micromanaging?

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Darkice19

 

Why not? Nature doesn't need to be maintained. Why build a self maintaining self ordering system if you plan on micromanaging?

By this do you mean evolution? The environment is always changing. Sometimes quite drastically. Life adapts and evolves according to its surroundings. Are you saying that God created it this way? According to the bible were only a few thousand years old and there is no evolution.

[edit on 19-2-2010 by Darkice19]

According to the Bible's 12 gems (7th Hoshen / 11th Foundation) and Islams' Kabba black stone (a Zircon) the Earth is 4.56 Billion years Old, Life has survived two major extinctions, and shall have a third which from here raises lasting co-creators to the Heavens.

And Evolution is not what we've witnessed but rather diversity, preserved through ages of genetic strains...
the Biblical Adam was the first man- with a Hyoid bone (nurtured of eating more minerals) singing and living in the area of the Tepe's, near the headwaters of rivers in the mountains between the Black sea and Sumer.

Nothing remains but either denial to the end without disproof or any better alternative -or by faith simply acknowledged understood and lived out in response to, for next after this obscuration and distraction and misinfo fails, is the Coming nuclear Day of reckoning that Thankfully He comes with who is the firstborn of many brethren -even clouds of countless times countless witnesses of the power being His to whom it pertains!

Thus all these false teachings shall be brought upon them who taught them "all to hell" as a lake of fire (for a terrible moment) or a deep tunnel of hiding, a Tribulation -but without Rapture, but for those who know to come and arrive it is the Real Evolution!

[edit on 2010/2/19 by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU]

Originally posted by Phlynx
I have my answer. Your answer may be different than mine, but it's an answer none the less.

Non-believers, and believers just need to get along, leave each other to there own beliefs. In the end, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong.

I said I wasn't going to post to much on here cuz of this bashing. It is funney how we strive to have diversity. We acknowledge the other human races out there on the globe. Why can't other's accept the fact that there are other religions just as well. It does not mean I hate anyone because of their religion and I don't go around trying to put fear in them saying to them they are going to hell. That is being very abusive. Just because I doubt there was a great flood does not mean I will be doomed and go to hell.

reply to post by Nichiren

Conclusion, I went over your quote again and have a few questions. Now that everybody has left the sinking ship we have time to get to the core of this LOL. I appreciate you taking the time. Most Christians would have left long time ago ...

No problem. I like discussing it. Because in the end of any discussion, how ever little it may be, I always learn something.

I know it's personal and therefore probably off topic, but without knowing about the specifics of that religious experience the cause could be anything. Ranging from temporal seizures, drug use, strong magnetic field exposure and of course genuine interaction with a higher being. Why did your experience point in the Christian direction? Was Jesus talking to you? No sarcasm!

Very good question. My Father and Mother were Baptist, but more of the hardshell kind. Women only wear dresses, Men should not have long hair or beards, you probably know what I am talking about. They never forced it on to me though. I didn't know if there was a God or not. I never would say there was, but I never said there wasn't either. More agnostic I guess.
It is funny you said that you practice a branch of Buddhism, because for the longest time I believed that if there was a true religion that would be it.

My experience is beyond my ability to explain why or how it happened. All I can say is that it felt like a beam of light shot straight down and landed on the top of my head. It disoriented me for a nanosecond, then all these pictures entered into my mind at an amazing rate. I saw the world, like I was as far away as the moon, and the beam of straight light that extended beyond out beyond me. Then everything just came together. It was about a 5 second experience that changed my life forever.

Not sure I totally buy that. Prior to the experience were you never exposed to Christianity? If you were, you already had a different "grid" than a person exposed to Islam.

I was exposed to Christianity, but like I said I grouped it with the others in the word religion. It is not a religion. It is simply the truth.

reply to post by metamagic


Although I disagree with you, it is ultimately your choice. I do not judge you. You see when we meet people we try to make an initial judgement of how that person is. We do not know what goes on inside of that persons heart. So it is impossible for us to make an initial as well as a finale judgement on anyone.

God bless you man, and thanks for your story.

reply to post by Darkice19

What I want to know is, Where is God? Why would he create everything and not be involved with it some way? He just made everything and left? Doesn't sound like a very responsible thing to do. If God is or was real im dissapointed in him.

If you cannot see God within yourself, then you cannot see God outside of yourself.

Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to post by Darkice19

 

What I want to know is, Where is God? Why would he create everything and not be involved with it some way? He just made everything and left? Doesn't sound like a very responsible thing to do. If God is or was real im dissapointed in him.

If you cannot see God within yourself, then you cannot see God outside of yourself.

Religious double talk is wasted on me. I'll forever be a non believer since God was invented by man with zero real proof.
Just because its a collection of good reading does not make it real.

reply to post by Darkice19


I think all the good books, teach consequences. If you steal you are not only hurting yourself but others and so on.
These books are guidelines, examples of situations, In the real world most of us already understand this. Temptation is unavoidable and Self righteousness is another and so on. So no matter how righteous you are, be it a priest or who ever, sin/corruption, is everywhere. when we fall asleep and we have dreams/sexy dreams are they considered sins? If all the righteous people that go to church and don't practice what they preach are they not Hypocrites? There are many variables to a discussion like this. It is useless to think that anything is wrong or right. If you are wrong and sin you are forgiven as soon as you get back in church. Same with another religion you make mistakes and ask to be forgiven. On the radio they were talking about that golf player that had an affair and most of the callers that called in were forgiving.
Greed, Money and Power in the name of religion. I know some religions that don't tell you that you have to give at least a percentage of your wages to your church. Well then that is why so many have turned away from the church scene and they hold a more personal connection with the faith they have. See how this goes this disscussion can go on and on an on because there are so many issues regarding the reasons for believe.

reply to post by Darkice19


Or so a certain intrepretation says. But even so, that is not the only possibility proposed by the concept of a deity.....

Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to post by metamagic

 

Although I disagree with you, it is ultimately your choice. I do not judge you. You see when we meet people we try to make an initial judgement of how that person is. We do not know what goes on inside of that persons heart. So it is impossible for us to make an initial as well as a finale judgement on anyone.

God bless you man, and thanks for your story.

Nor do I judge you since I have learned that you can never presume to know a person's final destination by watching them walk their path for a brief while. God Bless you as well my friend.

reply to post by Darkice19


If we read something and it shows the world the goodness in man, and tells us everything which is right, how could it not be true?

Originally posted by NorthStargal52
reply to post by Darkice19

 

I think all the good books, teach consequences. If you steal you are not only hurting yourself but others and so on.
These books are guidelines, examples of situations, In the real world most of us already understand this. Temptation is unavoidable and Self righteousness is another and so on. So no matter how righteous you are, be it a priest or who ever, sin/corruption, is everywhere. when we fall asleep and we have dreams/sexy dreams are they considered sins? If all the righteous people that go to church and don't practice what they preach are they not Hypocrites? There are many variables to a discussion like this. It is useless to think that anything is wrong or right. If you are wrong and sin you are forgiven as soon as you get back in church. Same with another religion you make mistakes and ask to be forgiven. On the radio they were talking about that golf player that had an affair and most of the callers that called in were forgiving.
Greed, Money and Power in the name of religion. I know some religions that don't tell you that you have to give at least a percentage of your wages to your church. Well then that is why so many have turned away from the church scene and they hold a more personal connection with the faith they have. See how this goes this disscussion can go on and on an on because there are so many issues regarding the reasons for believe.

Very good questions. That about the sex dreams. When Jesus was asked about if you get divorced and get re-married, was it adultery. He said yes. Then he went on to point out that if you have lust in your heart for another man, or woman when you are married it is the same thing. He pretty much told us that everyone has committed adultery in their heart.

I agree with you on the greed and money. The one's that do that have their reward already, here and now. They chose that reward, and that will not stop me from choosing mine.

Originally posted by Darkice19
If God is or was real im dissapointed in him.

We have "free will". I'm disappointed in the destructive force of mankind. We can do much better.

reply to post by Conclusion


Thank you for sharing this.

I'm done arguing with you. We believe in the same thing, but have chosen different paths.

Peace be with you,

N

reply to post by Nichiren


Also to you.

reply to post by randyvs


Blah blah blah usual rubbish blah blah blah.

You can believe whatever irrational feel-good fluffy nonsense you want, but don't bother trying to convince someone of said nonsense. It just makes you look like a desperate fool. Which I'm sure you're not.

reply to post by davesidious

Blah blah blah usual rubbish blah blah blah.

That is one of the most profound statements in history. The significance of the thought that must have went into it is akin to the improbable probability that life just started from nothing. That would be none. Only life gives life.

You can believe whatever irrational feel-good fluffy nonsense you want, but don't bother trying to convince someone of said nonsense. It just makes you look like a desperate fool. Which I'm sure you're not.

Hmmm. It is still so hard for me to believe that someone who said," Love each other." is under attack at all for any reason. Okay just listen to it this way for a second. Do you see the standard that people hold Christians to? It is almost as if it is a higher standard. Just look in this thread. With my sarcastic replies I have made a few people angry, even though they used some type of humor to associate their feeling of my belief. What does that say? A higher standard. They called me wrong doing things very similar to the way they did things. In essence they called themselves wrong.

You see when Jesus first came, he came to save. You know the irrational fell-good fluffy nonsense you spoke of.

But next time he comes.... it is not to save, but to judge.

[edit on 20-2-2010 by Conclusion]