Reasons To Believe

reply to post by ImaNutter


Boy did you get it wrong!
Don't you know we've got the Petroglyphed
Icons Ligatures Alphabeticals and Symbols from all over the Globe
testifying from each of ancient time everything needed including all scripture
to tell the whole Truth in redundancy add infinitum?

Reasons to believe in the GOD of the Bible are countless times countless!

Until what will you miss that it is the International Universal GOD that was mediated to US all?

[edit on 2010/2/18 by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU]

Originally posted by Mykahel
reply to post by NorthStargal52

 

I appreciate the compliment, but how can it be true that I can believe what I want and be ok in the end and you can believe what you want and be ok in the end? One of us will end up being wrong. What are the consequences of that?
Mykahel..
Does it mke sense to jump the gun? you are assuming, your end hasnt come yet. Although what you believe in which is your faith in God that you will be saved. Other people who have their different beliefs believe they will be ok and in their end they will have that same ending, maybe not in the same sense as you discribes. Wrong is you making the decision based upon your beliefs, but it is not you that should make that decision it is your god that makes that decision who is saved. The consequences would be the person that has the other belief will end the way his relion or beliefs take him too (example where all his family are he will join them.)

Nobody has every explained to me how every single faith can be right and that it only matters that you yourself are improving because of whatever faith you may have. Can somebody please explain this to me,?! I see no logical way that it can be done.

what matters is that you yourself are doing the right things in your beliefs living by the way of God. I am sure everyone express's how they feel, and others can say the same in their beliefs. It does not mean we have to change anyone. You know in many familys who not everyone in that family ends up believing the same way. I didnt say that all religions had to be right. They are a personl choices and personal choices are nither wrong or right. Again you are bringing your religion into action again cuz only your religion says it's wrong. So even if it is wrong according to your religion you are not the one making that decision in that persons end time, another words you cannot know how the end result will be only your God does. So the person with the other religion will not benefit in the same way as you. But we are jumping the gun again many people change their minds and switch to different religions. I hope this sort of explains why
you yourself matters and your family your children ect. Thats why in most religions it runs through generatons just like (example the Hindu's)

There is a right way, and there are many wrong ways. Not all paths lead to God.
edit: space between our paragraphs.

We can only pray that people will make the right consious decisions in life knowing the right from wrong, sometimes it takes a major illness or landing in prison for stear them in a right direction, and if you can help that person that is great, or if anyone can. I know people that have no religion at all they have normal lives and familys. I would rather tell people the how good it makes me feel inside an the inner peace you have and that you can truly love others even tho they are not like you rather than try to convince someone they are wrong.

Thanks again for the compliment. I am glad you are experiencing some form of harmony, but I will pray that the harmony you have experienced leads you to the truth.

Thank you, In my end time I want to be with my people they have shared the same beliefs for generations too. That is my wish.

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Originally posted by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU
reply to post by ImaNutter

 

Boy did you get it wrong!
Don't you know we've got the Petroglyphed
Icons Ligatures Alphabeticals and Symbols from all over the Globe
testifying from each of ancient time everything needed including all scripture
to tell the whole Truth in redundancy add infinitum?

Reasons to believe in the GOD of the Bible are countless times countless!

Until what will you miss that it is the International Universal GOD that was mediated to US all?

[edit on 2010/2/18 by YeHUaH ELaHaYNU]

So which God should I believe in exactly?

When you say mediated to us all, do you mean to Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Taoists, etc etc .. quite literally us all?

If so, why didn't he just give us all the same stinkin' book and how did God get around telling Christians they will burn forever if they don't accept Christ as the lord and savior while telling the Muslims that Jesus wasn't the savior?

Or God exclusively of the Bible??

Or do you mean the Islamic version of God, Allah?

Is Allah = YHWH?

I'm so confused... please straighten me out

reply to post by ImaNutter


Look up these two words please. Universal Unitarianism..

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by ImaNutter

 

Look up these two words please. Universal Unitarianism..

Pretty interesting.

What was the significance of having me read about that though? Was that the answer?

(no malice just asking.. and yes it was interesting I'll comment about it when I figure out why you told me to look it up lol)

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reply to post by ImaNutter


It's a example of people that believe in esscense all religions are worshipping the same entity.

Alright, just checkin'! I'm aware that a lot of people subscribe to that theory, but I didn't know if the user I was replying to was one of those people.. I didn't get the vibe that he was from previous posts and that's why I was asking for the clarification when he mentioned both God of the Bible and a Universal God.

But about the page, if you don't mind me asking, is that a faith you subscribe to?

When I said it was interesting, I meant it! It's kind of in a spooky way too... A lot of things jumped out at me right a way.. relationship to Protestants and Quakers.. I was raised Protestant, and attended a Quaker school... and their respect for one's search for their individual truth, the way they treat the Bible, a lot of their philosophy are things I feel strongly about.

It's crazy, but I found myself agreeing with almost all I read about them... which makes me wonder if they were organized that way perhaps? To have mass appeal and provide a refuge for those disenfranchised with their faiths.

I don't know? Just rambling at this point...

But either way, I want to thank you for directing me that way... turned out to be something I'm genuinely interested in researching! I had never heard about this faith before you just mentioned it.

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reply to post by ImaNutter


Your very welcome. I've known a few Unitarians very good and tolerant people. I'm not exactly one of them but I do respect them more than most. Just under agnostics as a matter of fact. But, I don't think if there is an entity that we would call God it'll be as petty and vengeful as certain faiths try to say it is, with self serving reason IMHO.

ImaNutter

So which God should I believe in exactly?
When you say mediated to us all, do you mean to Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Taoists, etc etc .. quite literally us all?

Yes I am all that -and ancient ones like Celtic and Greek and Chinese too!

If so, why didn't he just give us all the same stinkin' book

"He" did, we all just have our part!

...and how did God get around telling Christians they will burn forever if they don't accept Christ as the lord and savior while telling the Muslims that Jesus wasn't the savior?

Ha now that's two of the worst lies ever told in defamation of the Character of the Eternal Creator Father-Source "GOD" ever perpetrated and attempted perpetuated by propaganda (but even that was foretold!).

Or God exclusively of the Bible?
Or do you mean the Islamic version of God, Allah?

Too, Yes.,

Is Allah = YHWH?

No AND Yes -if you go all the way with it Yes, you come to be correct that ALLaH is ELuaH of the Aramaic scriptures who is He YeHUaH and the 100th name is YeShUaA, but if you must first see Him YeHUaH as YeShUaA or ISsA No, because He is our God but His God is also ours with Him!

I'm so confused... please straighten me out

Basically this is the way it all fits together:

The First of humanity with a Hyoid bone developed by mineral consumption sings the tones of the drums and flutes and begins to make the calendar using the Weeks as divisions of the Month to plot the Solar Year and intercalate it from the Tepe locations.

The "GOD" EL comes from China where He was called Sheng-dTI (ShaDaI to the Patriarchs in the Bible) to the Indus and then the Hebrews (they called KhaBIRe 'homeless') who mediated the harsh areas of desert and mountains at the crossroads of the continents.

The Egyptians (calling them APIRU 'poor') recognize this "0ne GOD" uniting all or 'God of gods' as a possibility called AMuN ("Continuance" as though 'time will tell' or 'we'll see'). He does 'prove To Be/ Become' at the Exodus coinciding with the eruption of Santorini.

The Israelites with the 0racles then go on to enjoin the Phoenicians and inhabit the World of Greeks Etruscans Iberians Libyans Celts and Africans and Mexico, as well as Indus and Aboriginal Australians and even Peru!

The Babylonians take Judahites and their associate Tribes into captivity and they come out Judaism founding Judaea which under Roman Empirical Jurisdiction saw the Life of Christus who would prove to be the identity of the coming Messiah.

His Talmidim (Learners) would each draw their stone to the place name and of them it is "doubting Thomas" who draws India, he would unite the three factions of Hindu into one and the (OM) AUM (Roman; Agni Varuna Mithra) would come to be the Sanscrit 'triune' word-symbol as we know it G.O.D (Genera-creator, Brahma; Opera-sustainer, Vishnu; and Demoli-renewer Shiva).

The monks of Tibet would come to have and preserve the only 'New Testament' book in Judaean (southern Aramaic), The Gospel to the Hebrews (or Hebrew Matthew) dating to about 40 AD.

The Dispersion of the Jews to the Nations brought them to being throughout Africa Asia and Europe, and the name Palestina consigns the land of the Promise for a time to their old archenemy Philistines.

Mohammed went from Egypts old monastery to a cave in the Hijaz (where Moses and Elijah had been) and was sung the QuR'aN, He memorized it and 'recited' it into the Kufi scriptures, about the same "God" of the Bible.

The Roman Empire moved giving up Rome to the Europeans unto Constantinople and in 'dark ages' and would have clashes with Islam in Christian Crusades which made for both to have intentionally opposing ideas. The Councils form the Canonical Bible with Apocrypha.

Protestants getting the Bible (w/ Apocrypha) into English chose the GOD word from Roman AVM rather than Latin DEO from Greek 'DEOMAI' (sought/petitioned/begged) or Greek THEOS (a concept/ idea), and parted with the Catholic mother church which Spain retained.

The Americas are founded and in their isolation flourish to what we have known, at the cost of Native (north) American "Indians" and Meso-Americans and (southern) Aztec and Maya, but it would be discovered that they were highly advanced systems of belief also, connected to ancient China and Africa.




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Originally posted by Conclusion

Originally posted by Nichiren
reply to post by Conclusion

 

We = 1 / (2(pi)c) x (k/u)^0.5

Hmm. Gravity and frequency depends on the proportion of energetic matter in quantum formation? That is cool.

How is this equation interesting ?

This equation has more alternatives. And it wont tell you anything, because everyone = 0.

Correction one of the alternatives does not = 0. But the answer is displayed as fallows. cu ≠ 0. But what does it equal?

I am not going to display the mathematical equations because i would really like to see you people explain this equation: We = 1 / (2(pi)c) x (k/u)^0.5 fully and logically.

I think some people might be doing this on a level that is way over their head.



[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

reply to post by ImaNutter


Hopefully this will help clarify a little.

Christians and Jews worship Yahweh, the proper name for God. Jews worshiped this God first. Christians later claimed to worship this same God only with the inclusion of His Son Yeshua (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. We (Christians) believe there is only one God showing Himself through the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Three in one, something we have a lot of difficulty trying to explain as we don't even fully understand. Jews reject the claim that we worship the same God because they reject Christ, a part of the Christian Trinity.

Muslims claim to worship the same God as the Jews and Christians as a ploy to build toleration and lay the ground work for reversion (They do not convert, as they claim everybody is born a Muslim and slips from the true faith). Some Jews and Christians accept that we do worship the same God since they claim it is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Those Christians and Jews who have looked more into the foundation of Islam reject their claim to worship the same God very adamantly.

The god of the Muslims is Allah (the Aramaic word for "god" but also the proper name for the moon god which happened to be Muhammad's family god). Coincidence that the moon is the symbol of their faith? The character of Allah is very different from that of Yahweh. Also, the Muslims reject Christ as being a part of God and claim, similar to the Jews, that God is ONE and there is not other part of him.. christians believe in the unity of God and there is only one, but Trinitarian God is often misunderstood to be three separate gods, causing much confusion. Since Christians claim Jesus to be God and both Jews and Muslims reject him, we cannot be worshipping the same God.

Also....

Christians could not be a part of the Unitarian Universalist faith if they are being honest about their faith, because Jesus Christ claims to be the only way to God, not one of many. Neither could an honest practicing Muslim or Jew, as to say the other faiths are equally valid and acceptable would be similar to committing idolatry. This rejection of the Unitarian faith by these three monotheistic religions is what makes them despised among many of the Unitarian faith, since each claims to have the only way.

I hope that helped a little.

OMG. LOL. I THINK I UNDERSTAND NOW.


Okay guys check this out. We are not debating God in this thread. You know why? We are debating events in history's past. How about we start debating God. How about someone who doesn't believe there is a God tell me which of Christ's words, sentences, paragraphs, actions you disagree with?

Lets discuss it for real and with reason.

We can discuss the history of God or we can discuss God and the present.

It seems as if, since every single detail of what Christ did and where he went and what he said was not documented on some video equipment, and shown at 8pm est. on a Thursday for a prime time spot so a higher percentage of TV viewers can understand what actually happened, then lets go over the documents we have.

For those of you who believe that those documents have been tampered with, in some form or fashion to falsify a faith I say this. That could have happened to every piece of knowledge, written and rewritten and re-rewritten throughout history.

So the only way to really debate the whole situation is this.

Let us discuss Christ's words , sentences, and paragraphs....since those are the only documents we have. Please feel free to bring in another gospel that was not added as long as it can be proven to be at least as old as the documents we have in the bibles today.

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reply to post by spy66


Well then, I completely have no idea.

An explanation would be nice.

reply to post by Mykahel


Oh yeah. Very good information.

Christ said,"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold on to one, and despise the other. You cannot God and mammon." Mammon is the literal term for riches in Aramaic.



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I have to wonder if someone started a thread titled " Reasons to NOT Believe" in the Origins and Creationism Conspiracy forum if it would get moved because it's not a conspiracy?

Originally posted by Fatality
I find this kind of debates usually useless because the persons who do not believe will not change their opinion after a thread like this , and the persons who do believe will continue believing.

However i do have a question which always puzzled me.

Let's assume you were born in Iran , in a muslim family , would you still be a christian now? Or if you would have been born in USA as an indian american before the colonists arrived , would you have been a christian still? What about in a jungle somewhere far away from the modern world?

Back then the word of Christ was spread by mouth first, also by letters (which is what the New testament is mostly composed of). It took years to spread the message that the Christ had arrived, which the prophets in the Old Testament spoke of. They witnessed him, and seen the things he done. Obligated, by only the truth of what they seen and heard they wrote about only the actions and events they remembered, therefore their remembrance of events, being said, inspired of the Lord. To be inspired is only the remembrance of past events or present experiences, and do something about it because of that inspiration.

So anyhow back to the answer. It took quiet a while for the message to reach those people and yes there are still people today that do not even know of Christs teachings because of some form or another.

So no you would not be a Christian. Yet. But you will be given the opportunity when you become of age to understand, with full attention. Any who fall short of the ability to know right from wrong automatically given grace. Grace allows one the ability to walk around in heaven and not remember what they have done wrong in their life of choice.

There will be no hate in their heart for anything. Now what could be better than that. We are a generation of hate. Look around you. I am not saying that there are not any moments of beauty. Those are the small miracle's that is often over looked. To me to have a moment of peace in my heart is the most miraculous thing that Christ has let me feel.

An offer of pure joy and bliss, just to live peaceably and love people other than myself (which in my humble opinion is a very small price) is the greatest thing I have ever, in all my days, heard of. Reasoning, I decided that if I was to live this life why not live it for the greatest thing I know of, instead of living the life we see around us, when we watch the news or read the paper. All we are fed nowadays is mostly bad news. I do not want bad news anymore. I want good news to.

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reply to post by virraszto

That is a good question. I do not know.

reply to post by psyko45


I would have to point out that since your "common sense" disagrees with a higher percentage of the world about some deity being in control, it's not that common.

reply to post by Daniem


I don't explain evolution. I just don't believe that the knowledge we think we know of evolution can save me. We are born, we live, we die. I know not how God makes this existence work. If I did, then I would be God. Why on earth would I want that responsibility. Man kind with never, in this existence, understand how everything works. Not even as a collective.

If there is nothing after you die, then what is the knowledge that you deem necessary to learn do for you in the end?

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reply to post by ImaNutter

Fair enough response (don't forget the books left out, not just the translational errors). I guess that's why it's called a "faith." Since you and I were only ever taught from one of these edited Bibles... everything we knew/learned about God came from this Bible... what makes you believe what you learned about God from this book is accurate?

The same thing that makes you believe you have learned about the past by not being there. Self reflection on right and wrong, instead of could and would, will benefit an answer.

Incorrectomundo. I said YOUR, MINE, and EVERYONE ELSES understanding of God came from the teaching of a 50 times edited collection of writings, by not divinely inspired bishops, who removed entire books, and edited it to fit neatly into the culture of the time. Sounds reliable, doesn't it?

Texts from all over the world and including all of our knowledge, that we can find and translate, has been translated, and re-translated, and re-re-translated over and over. Not just the Bible. So by that you can say it about everything else also. Whether you can prove what is translated is another story. The people in the bible give their letters as proof of what they seen. That was back when testimony's where considered justified in a court of law. Come to think of it, they still are.