Reasons To Believe

Originally posted by Conclusion

Now if you are asking if there are logical reasoning behind Christianity then yes. From those who witnessed Christ. The things Christ says are wonderful. What he says is known to be true in my mind, body, and soul. So by reasoning that, within myself, I have found all the evidence I need.

[edit on 18-2-2010 by Conclusion]

What part of circular logic don't you get? Again, I have yet to hear a REASON for religion.

reply to post by Nichiren


Hey Nichiren. Are you ever going to reply to me?

Originally posted by Conclusion

Oh there's that phrase peer reviewed. lol. Does that mean the words are so confusing to the layman, that only the one's who understand the meaning of the words can understand it? lol
Well same goes for the Bible then.

With the only little difference that the peers all read from the same manuscript. Bring me two bible scholars and they will dispute which manuscript is legit. Try again

reply to post by Conclusion


What is the reason (LOL) behing your statement?

reply to post by Nichiren


The logical reason for religion is that this magnificent creation we see around us seems unlikely to have been an accident, and so people try to explain it. Religion is also logical in that it embodies people's search for not only how the universe was made but where they come from as well (aside from the birds and bees). Religion can also give self worth, though I know there are some who actually take it away.

If you are looking for proof God exists, you have to look around you and accept what you see as proof. People see proof of things all the time and yet refuse to accept it.

You want concrete, undeniable evidence of God that nobody can refute in any way? It wont happen. It always comes back to faith.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Nichiren

 

BTW: I'm still waiting to hear a logical REASON for religion

BTW no you're not. you're not ever going to hear or see one. That's your choice. Even a laymen can see that .

Thank you for clarifying that.

Originally posted by Nichiren

Originally posted by Conclusion

Oh there's that phrase peer reviewed. lol. Does that mean the words are so confusing to the layman, that only the one's who understand the meaning of the words can understand it? lol
Well same goes for the Bible then.

With the only little difference that the peers all read from the same manuscript. Bring me two bible scholars and they will dispute which manuscript is legit. Try again

Come on now. Bible Scholars? But it's so easy to understand. Love God. Love one another. Who needs a Scholar for that? See if you dissect something you are trying to find how it works. Right? But just as quantum physics is discovering when you keep dissecting things start to NOT make sense. How many different theories are there for quantum physics? Uh oh there is a disagreement. Well according to you I guess they will have to dismiss all the knowledge that got them to that point. lol. Your so cute when you are wrong.

The logical reason for a religion is to help people better themselves.

Sometimes it is difficult to do but think back to when a religious text was written. Now realize the number of words and versatility of language has increased.

Religion is like a general guidelines to help people think and make better decisions.

If people choose not to think that is their choice.

If a person completely believes dogma then they are being illogical because dogma is a circular definition; dogma says dogma is real and must be real because it is dogma. ( it could be worded diffrerently but the idea is still there.)

Perhaps if answering the question of religion does not make sense try back a few steps.

Explain thought, the point of thought, and reason of thought.

That will give a good starting point to understand why the concept of Religion makes sense.

Not that you agree with a particular Religion.

A person must read a book beginning to end to make sense of it.

Just the same goes with understanding people we must start at the beginning. For sake of rationality, start when a person / animal first becomes self aware. Try to think forward without using words. Create words if you must but be aware that each idea you think is a new one.

It might make sense to guide the direction in which people think...

Or we could all be going in random directions.

So what again is the point of RELIGION? please explain thought first...

reply to post by Mykahel


Very nice. Well said.

Originally posted by Mykahel
reply to post by Nichiren

 

You want concrete, undeniable evidence of God that nobody can refute in any way? It wont happen. It always comes back to faith.

Thank you Mykahel for being honest about it.

As to your other "logical" points Richard Dawkins has written a few books about that. Are you familiar with him?

reply to post by Nichiren

What is the reason (LOL) behing your statement?

Thank you. I know now that you cannot answer the question.

reply to post by Nichiren

I'll make quick use of this quote.

personally I think even evolution itself proves God -believers got it right.By that I mean, its clearly an intelligent design, its a brilliant system.
It would be more logical that the first life would die out as soon as it had come to being and have no way to reproduce and certainly not to adapt and evolve and develope itself in any way.

Look at nature and all the creations out there, how they work and interact, animals and plants made for eachother, how everything is part of an extremely complex system - and this goes for all of the universe, everything is systematic and logical - and systems and logic doesnt appear by random chance, but only by some intelligence behind it who have arranged it in such a way.

In every way its looked at , it is more probable that there was an intelligent force behind creation, rather than chance and coincidences. For life and material to come from nothing is, extremely improbable at best, but more close to impossible in reality.

There will always be those whom never saw or experienced enough of themselves or existence to doubt a God due to their limited experience itself, but that only proves they have not yet seen from the other perspective, but only from one perspective

Maggador

Notice he says God believers. Religion has nothing to do with it.

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reply to post by Coemgen


Thank you for post. You are describing philosophy and or neuroscience related to consciousness. I don't see your point re religion/diety. Please explain.

Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to post by Nichiren

 

What is the reason (LOL) behing your statement?

Thank you. I know now that you cannot answer the question.

What question? Please pose it again.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Nichiren

 

I'll make quick use of this quote.

personally I think even evolution itself proves God -believers got it right.By that I mean, its clearly an intelligent design, its a brilliant system.
It would be more logical that the first life would die out as soon as it had come to being and have no way to reproduce and certainly not to adapt and evolve and develope itself in any way.

Look at nature and all the creations out there, how they work and interact, animals and plants made for eachother, how everything is part of an extremely complex system - and this goes for all of the universe, everything is systematic and logical - and systems and logic doesnt appear by random chance, but only by some intelligence behind it who have arranged it in such a way.

In every way its looked at , it is more probable that there was an intelligent force behind creation, rather than chance and coincidences. For life and material to come from nothing is, extremely improbable at best, but more close to impossible in reality.

There will always be those whom never saw or experienced enough of themselves or existence to doubt a God due to their limited experience itself, but that only proves they have not yet seen from the other perspective, but only from one perspective

Maggador

Notice he says God believers. Religion has nothing to do with it.

[edit on 18-2-2010 by randyvs]

Maggador's circular illogical argument starts in sentence number 2. Maybe you catch it? Randy, you gotta come with heavier artillery. Nice try, though

reply to post by Nichiren


I really see nothing in your analytical claims of circular arrangement
that speak to the facts of the statement persae'. etc!

Nich I want to hear what it is you believe in. Is their anything and why isn't
it God.
Speak!

[edit on 18-2-2010 by randyvs]

Originally posted by Nichiren

Originally posted by Conclusion

Now if you are asking if there are logical reasoning behind Christianity then yes. From those who witnessed Christ. The things Christ says are wonderful. What he says is known to be true in my mind, body, and soul. So by reasoning that, within myself, I have found all the evidence I need.

[edit on 18-2-2010 by Conclusion]

What part of circular logic don't you get? Again, I have yet to hear a REASON for religion.

I just told you. You will not accept it. Not my fault. Yours.

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Originally posted by Nichiren

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Nichiren

 

I'll make quick use of this quote.

personally I think even evolution itself proves God -believers got it right.By that I mean, its clearly an intelligent design, its a brilliant system.
It would be more logical that the first life would die out as soon as it had come to being and have no way to reproduce and certainly not to adapt and evolve and develope itself in any way.

Look at nature and all the creations out there, how they work and interact, animals and plants made for eachother, how everything is part of an extremely complex system - and this goes for all of the universe, everything is systematic and logical - and systems and logic doesnt appear by random chance, but only by some intelligence behind it who have arranged it in such a way.

In every way its looked at , it is more probable that there was an intelligent force behind creation, rather than chance and coincidences. For life and material to come from nothing is, extremely improbable at best, but more close to impossible in reality.

There will always be those whom never saw or experienced enough of themselves or existence to doubt a God due to their limited experience itself, but that only proves they have not yet seen from the other perspective, but only from one perspective

Maggador

Notice he says God believers. Religion has nothing to do with it.

[edit on 18-2-2010 by randyvs]

Maggador's circular illogical argument starts in sentence number 2. Maybe you catch it? Randy, you gotta come with heavier artillery. Nice try, though

Ohhhhh! I get it now. Maggador....I completely and totally forgot that he knew everything! Man. You had to bring up Maggador. lol.

Could you please explain who Maggador is. I googled the name but came up with nothing. Did you spell it correctly?

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reply to post by Coemgen

So what again is the point of RELIGION? please explain thought first...

Answered it in an above post on this page.

reply to post by Conclusion


This is Maggador

For me this isn't even a debate. It's more like sparring.

My point? Even a guy who believes he is an alien knows enough to believe in God.

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